Testing / comparing : Intel D975XBX2 / Asus P5B DX ***56K WARNING***

[Supertim0r]

clockgen 1.0.5.3 working with the XBX2
pll SLG505YC56D

[astrodave]

I too wish there was a way in the BIOS to set the fan speeds to 100%. IDCC is the only way I have found to do it but it won't work in vista. Fanspeed does nothing for me in vista. I set the speeds to 100% but the fans don't do anything. I would love a way to control the fanspeeds whether it be through the BIOS or in vista...

[gtj]

Well, there have been several tools that also did report correctly, such as RMClock.

You said your were working with Intel to solve that. (Which i do appreciate!)
Does that signify you are an employee at Intel?

Because i dont think they would change the (next) BIOS if you just told them

No I don't work for Intel. I just happen to have some spare time to pursue the issue.

I'm not just "telling" them. I've also given them MSR dumps and other debugging info that demonstrates the bug.

[gtj]

I too wish there was a way in the BIOS to set the fan speeds to 100%. IDCC is the only way I have found to do it but it won't work in vista. Fanspeed does nothing for me in vista. I set the speeds to 100% but the fans don't do anything. I would love a way to control the fanspeeds whether it be through the BIOS or in vista...

IDCC should work on Vista-32 if you run the installer in xp compatability mode, then set compatability mode on the executable after it's installed.

[gtj]

Oh yeah, the latest speedfan beta will work but youhave to use the configure-advanced tab to set the fans to manually controlled.

[cryptocat]

Hm, that also doesnt work for me.

Ive Installed the IDCC on Windows 2003 (IA32) - crashes when i try to run it.
Ive read about the XP-compatability mode, doesnt work either.

Im kinda pissed off, everyone said the Intel-Boards were so super-great and now nothing works - no IDCC, cant disable C1E - the Fanspeed-Control is not able to set the RPM to 50% or less (which my old Asus P5AD2E could do) and the Sigmatel-Audio stutters in Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter.

Intel TAT installs but when i try to run it it just wont do anything at all.

By the way, is it right to assume that the D975XBX2 is inofficially capable of FSB 1333?
Since it does have the 333 strap it should be, right?

Im getting DDR2-667 DIMMs next week, so id like to use the FSB 1333.

But stability is really important to me, does OCing the FSB also overclock the PCIe-link and the Southbridge?

Ive heard that is decoupled now, but im not sure since my P5AD2E (925XE) did have dividers, and if you set it to slightly below 266 it wouldnt recognize the hard drives anymore, because it used a new divider starting at 266MHz.

Nonetheless, i do hope you can achieve that they change the C1E-Bug in a new BIOS

[scaryogre]

CPU Temp Question:

Just fired up my new rig for the first time. I'm in the BIOS and just wanted to monitor the CPU temp for a bit before proceeding. I want to ensure I don't need to make any modifications to the 9700 Zalman cooler I have on it before I go any further.

BIOS CPU Temps after 10 minutes with CPU, memory, etc. ALL at default speeds. e6600 CPU:

Processor Temp: 38C
Internal Temp: 32C
Remote Temp: 31C

Is this acceptable, good, bad, normal, or ???

Thanks.

-scaryogre

[Speederlander]

CPU Temp Question:

Just fired up my new rig for the first time. I'm in the BIOS and just wanted to monitor the CPU temp for a bit before proceeding. I want to ensure I don't need to make any modifications to the 9700 Zalman cooler I have on it before I go any further.

BIOS CPU Temps after 10 minutes with CPU, memory, etc. ALL at default speeds. e6600 CPU:

Processor Temp: 38C
Internal Temp: 32C
Remote Temp: 31C

Is this acceptable, good, bad, normal, or ???

Thanks.

-scaryogre

looks normal, depending on ambient.

[scaryogre]

looks normal, depending on ambient.

Ambient is about 74F. This is also with the case cover OFF right now. Once the Arctic 5 grease starts to settle in I am guessing the temps may go down some as well.

[gtj]

Ambient is about 74F. This is also with the case cover OFF right now. Once the Arctic 5 grease starts to settle in I am guessing the temps may go down some as well.

Once you're up and running, make sure you use a monitor that reads the actual core temperatures.

[astrodave]

IDCC should work on Vista-32 if you run the installer in xp compatability mode, then set compatability mode on the executable after it's installed.

Tried that and it doesn't work. It BSOD's my box if i do that. It won't even launch unless it's in xpsp2 compat mode but it then blue screens so...

I also have been all over those tabs in speedfan and it sees the fans and says it is 100% but there is no speed increase in the fans and then speedfan just drops back to 20%-30% by itself.

[gtj]

Hm, that also doesnt work for me.

Ive Installed the IDCC on Windows 2003 (IA32) - crashes when i try to run it.
Ive read about the XP-compatability mode, doesnt work either.

Im kinda pissed off, everyone said the Intel-Boards were so super-great and now nothing works - no IDCC, cant disable C1E - the Fanspeed-Control is not able to set the RPM to 50% or less (which my old Asus P5AD2E could do) and the Sigmatel-Audio stutters in Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter.

Intel TAT installs but when i try to run it it just wont do anything at all.

By the way, is it right to assume that the D975XBX2 is inofficially capable of FSB 1333?
Since it does have the 333 strap it should be, right?

Im getting DDR2-667 DIMMs next week, so id like to use the FSB 1333.

But stability is really important to me, does OCing the FSB also overclock the PCIe-link and the Southbridge?

Ive heard that is decoupled now, but im not sure since my P5AD2E (925XE) did have dividers, and if you set it to slightly below 266 it wouldnt recognize the hard drives anymore, because it used a new divider starting at 266MHz.

Nonetheless, i do hope you can achieve that they change the C1E-Bug in a new BIOS

Didn't know you were running WS2003. You're correct about IDCC and TAT but Speedfan 4.32 beta 17 works fine on WS2003. I'm playing with the speeds right now. I've got my 2000rpm fan down to 600rpm.

1333 FSB easy. PCIe and SB not linked, no issues.

[argylesocks]

Once you're up and running, make sure you use a monitor that reads the actual core temperatures.

what do you suggest?

ps: my board came yesterday so much for being backordered, huh?

[gtj]

what do you suggest?

ps: my board came yesterday so much for being backordered, huh?

Well, Everest ULTIMATE has the best all around support for the board but
Intel's Thermal Analysis Tool (TAT), Coretemp, the latest Speedfan Beta, are also good. Try them all and pick the one you like.

Latest Everest (you need 2007 build 879 or greater) Just unzip...
http://www.lavalys.com/beta/everestu...x4fmanswgo.zip

TAT...
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/392a/tat.exe

Coretemp...
http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/CoreTemp/

Speedfan (you need to register to get the beta)...
http://www.almico.com/sfbetaprogram.php

[stmckin]

IDCC 2.2.0002 definitely works in Vista32
Run both the install and application as an administrator and in XPSP2 compat mode and it works fine... in fact better than XP for me

http://support.intel.com/design/moth...c/download.htm

[DaddyRabbit]

I was on a quest to get a custom screen on my G15 keyboard that had the info that I needed to see w/o the glitz.

I wanted: Voltages (VCore, 12, 5, and 3.3) Both core temps and the GPU temp. (threw in an analog clock for grins)

I used LCD Studio 2.0, Speedfan 4.32 build 17, and ATITool 0.26 and got what I wanted.

What all that unrelated stuff leads up to is that:
1) Speedfan comes close to TAT (within 1 degree) with temps on both cores.
2) ATI Tool gets the temps on the 8800s pretty well.
3) Without spending buku bucks I still have to load and run several tools to get the info I want on my G15 LCD but what the heck...

[Speederlander]

So ultimately how serious is the C1E issue for serious longterm overclocking? Seems rather concerning. Now that my Asus lost its cold boot issue with the lower FSB, I am not as quick to jump ship, though I still like the idea of the Intel for a few other reasons. However, the C1E issue is making me second guess (on replacing the one my tuniq backplate fried ). If it is something that will obviously be cleared in a soon-to-be released BIOS, then it's no biggie. But if it's a nagging problem that doesn't get resolved...

edit: or is it EIST bug? meh...acronyms.

[Speederlander]

Does this waterblock fit the xbx2 NB? Says it fits "badaxe motherboards" in the write-up but the slots seem in the wrong place for xbx2...

http://www.petrastechshop.com/dadenmachwa9.html

[sdgserv]

I am getting low scores in AquaMark3..I have a Evga 8800GTX..I saw a fix somewhere and can't locate it.
Thanks

[argylesocks]

I too wish there was a way in the BIOS to set the fan speeds to 100%. IDCC is the only way I have found to do it but it won't work in vista. Fanspeed does nothing for me in vista. I set the speeds to 100% but the fans don't do anything. I would love a way to control the fanspeeds whether it be through the BIOS or in vista...

the manual states if you shut the fan control off in teh bios that it will run at 100%.

[argylesocks]

could someone explain what the following is & what the setttings 'should' be:
C1E
EIST
SpeedStep

i have a general idea, but im still a little confused on how they all are connected, or not.

So ultimately how serious is the C1E issue for serious longterm overclocking? Seems rather concerning. Now that my Asus lost its cold boot issue with the lower FSB, I am not as quick to jump ship, though I still like the idea of the Intel for a few other reasons. However, the C1E issue is making me second guess (on replacing the one my tuniq backplate fried ). If it is something that will obviously be cleared in a soon-to-be released BIOS, then it's no biggie. But if it's a nagging problem that doesn't get resolved...

edit: or is it EIST bug? meh...acronyms.

[smoothmove]

could someone explain what the following is & what the setttings 'should' be:
C1E
EIST
SpeedStep

i have a general idea, but im still a little confused on how they all are connected, or not.

C1E should be OFF - (not sure what it does)

EIST- OFF ( this is speedstep)

ALSO- WATCHDOG has to be off. It screws up overclocking (you get to the watchdog function but changing the bios jumper to get in. Change the watchdog and shut down after the save. Replace the jumper to normal positionn)


Hope this helps, Stan

[astrodave]

IDCC 2.2.0002 definitely works in Vista32
Run both the install and application as an administrator and in XPSP2 compat mode and it works fine... in fact better than XP for me

http://support.intel.com/design/moth...c/download.htm

It blue screened my machine....

[astrodave]

the manual states if you shut the fan control off in teh bios that it will run at 100%.

That is probably just for cpu fan control. I have a big typhoon with manual twist knob for cpu fan speed. I need a way to control the other 3 fans in my machine, especially the fan positioned across from the video card so that they are running at 100%. At 100% they are still pretty silent but give me an additional 3C of cooling and with my machine now running 10C hotter in vista than in xp i really need those 3C back. IDCC blue screens my machine, fanspeed does not do anything for me so I'm stuck until Intel updates IDCC.

[argylesocks]

C1E should be OFF - (not sure what it does)

EIST- OFF ( this is speedstep)

ALSO- WATCHDOG has to be off. It screws up overclocking (you get to the watchdog function but changing the bios jumper to get in. Change the watchdog and shut down after the save. Replace the jumper to normal positionn)


Hope this helps, Stan

so, C1E changes the multiplier... does the voltage stay the same?
what does EIST do?

edit: actually, is there a linky that has more info on the bios? it would be nice to see everything with an explanation of what it all does.


edit#2

EIST. that stands for Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology.
EIST is a feature, that adjusts your Multiplier, depending on the level of activity of the CPU.
if all your CPU is doing is browsing the internet or typing, then it will default to the lowest available multiplier, since its basically doing nothing.

this is to do many things, save on CPU power, save on actual power used, and to save on heat put out by the CPU.
theres no reason to have a CPU at full speed... if your only doing little mundane things like listening to a MP3, or browsing the net...

theres also... C1E.

C1E is a feature, then when it first came out, drove me absolutly nuts, cause no where was it explained what the feature was or even what CPU had it, for awhile after it started being used in processors.
so I'd be overclocking, run super PI, and get some great run... then C1E would kick in, and my voltage would drop from 1.5 volts, to 1.2 and my OC would stay the same... and this would always lead to instant CPU freezes.
this one single feature drove me so nuts trying to figure out what was going on, when about a year ago it started being used, and my Abit AS8 had no option to disable it, and I had no idea what it was...
I got to the point where I almost took the board outside, and smashed it from being screaming mad.
had I done that, I would have killed a perfectly fine board... cause this is a CPU feature.
a realllyyyyyyyyyy annoying CPU feature.

what C1E does, is lower the Voltage of the Processor, when at Idle, to save on heat output.
remember, a CPU is meant to only be run at stock.
Intel designs these CPU's to be stable at thier stock speed, with C1E active.

however, C1E for a overclocker, can leave you going nuts if you dot know what it is.
especially if you have a older LGA processor, that doesnt have EIST on it, but does have C1E.

C1E. if used with EIST, is actually a handy feature to have, if you want to keep your CPU temps low while at idle.
but if you choose to disable EIST, I strongly suggest you disable C1E at the same time, otherwise, this feature may drive you bonkers too, just like it did with me.

after searching this thread, i then check the stick guide (duh, should have check this first)...

so what is changing the multipliers? the C1E or the EIST? does the voltage ever get dropped with the new bios 'bug'?? if so, is it causing stability problems? or does it work hand-in-hand & drop the multiplier down at the same time?

with it enabled, how quick is it to know when the cpu is under load? is there any lag while playing games, etc??

thanks