Rad cleaning acording to Marci aka Thermochill

[Kurz]

Black deposits is from the chemical reaction of the Vinegar actually eating away at metal.

[cool_dude]

If using vinegar is bad, how comes you've not said anything before?

People have been purchasing Thermochill rads because of their performance, yet no-one from Thermochill (that I've seen) has posted saying that cleaning with vinegar will damage your radiator.

Marci:
If anything, vinegar after-effects would (should) result in black deposits rather than white deposits...

Kurz:
Black deposits is from the chemical reaction of the Vinegar actually eating away at metal.

Yet if Kurz is telling the truth, you are still not telling people that it will damage the radiators using Vinegar....Why Not?


Cheers,
Cool_Dude

If I need to be corrected feel free, but this is just what im thinking right now....

[weihk]

If using vinegar is bad, how comes you've not said anything before?

People have been purchasing Thermochill rads because of their performance, yet no-one from Thermochill (that I've seen) has posted saying that cleaning with vinegar will damage your radiator.



Yet if Kurz is telling the truth, you are still not telling people that it will damage the radiators using Vinegar....Why Not?


Cheers,
Cool_Dude

If I need to be corrected feel free, but this is just what im thinking right now....

same as buying a car, you go buy a powerful car, and you know there is a risk of you crashing, and the place that sold you the car wont tell you ''drive like a nanny, or eles you will die''

everyone has to get over this ''why didnt the manufacture/shop tell me doing XXXXXXXX to it is bad?''

[cool_dude]

everyone has to get over this ''why didnt the manufacture/shop tell me doing XXXXXXXX to it is bad?''

Not really, Thermochill can clearly see that the majority of consumers clean their rad using the Vinegar method. Yet I haven't seen one post saying "do not clean it using vinegar, it will eat away the metal, hot water will clean the flux just fine" or something to that effect.

same as buying a car, you go buy a powerful car, and you know there is a risk of you crashing, and the place that sold you the car wont tell you ''drive like a nanny, or eles you will die''

I know they wont, because thats just common sense.

[welshtom]

I have to agree with cool_dude. I am suprised its taken this long for Marci to say vinegar is bad, when a lot of people have been openly using it!

[Jimmer411]

Not really, Thermochill can clearly see that the majority of consumers clean their rad using the Vinegar method. Yet I haven't seen one post saying "do not clean it using vinegar, it will eat away the metal, hot water will clean the flux just fine" or something to that effect.


I know they wont, because thats just common sense.

You havent looked hard enough then. Ive seen on many occasions that others have discussed the corrosive properties of vinegar and copper. But that the amount of corrosion isnt something to the level of say, that liquid metal stuff on aluminum.

[Ic3man]

Excessive vcore is bad for cpu's yet 99.9% here will overclock regardless. Marci advised me to use vinegar, I took his advice and got loads of crap out of my thermochill and I thanked him for the advice, afterall who knows best? I would however like to think that if the rad is now damaged and leaks due to these instructions I would legally be able to obtain a replacement being that I was acting on advice from thermochill's technical director. I'm sure Marci was just trying to help folk tbh.

[cool_dude]

You havent looked hard enough then. Ive seen on many occasions that others have discussed the corrosive properties of vinegar and copper. But that the amount of corrosion isnt something to the level of say, that liquid metal stuff on aluminum.

I meant from Marci/Thermochill. After all they're the guys that know what they're talking about as they know how the radiators are made.

Yes I have seen discussion on the corrosive properties of vinegar on copper - but I (like the majority of people on here) will do either what the Sticky says, or what someone from Thermochill says.

The sticky suggests that cleaning using vinegar in your rad for various soaks is absolutley fine, therefore loads of people doing this. Yet Marci* is now saying that its fine to clean with hot water and vinegar leaves black deposits (which shows the vinegar is eating away the rad**)

*= This is not anything personal to you Marci, its towards Thermochill.
**= Based on the info given from Kurz.


:edit:

Excessive vcore is bad for cpu's yet 99.9% here will overclock regardless. Marci advised me to use vinegar, I took his advice and got loads of crap out of my thermochill and I thanked him for the advice, afterall who knows best? I would however like to think that if the rad is now damaged and leaks due to these instructions I would legally be able to obtain a replacement being that I was acting on advice from thermochill's technical director. I'm sure Marci was just trying to help folk tbh.

Yeh, so its probably Thermochill that didn't tell him and he was just saying that because he assumed it was the best thing to do, worked on other rads and was trying to help you out like you say. This is why im not blaming it on Marci.

[Kurz]

**= Based on the info given from Kurz.[/I]

Actually... Marci posted this. I basically supported him...
However I am trying to find the effects of an acid on copper.

And I found a somewhat creditable link backing this up.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc.../chem03505.htm

http://www.chem.umn.edu/outreach/Car...VinCopper.html