Love the Fuzion block!

[redcorn]

Thanks to the forums I was able to lap my QX6700 using 120,320,400,600,800,1000,1200 somewhere after 800 I lost three finger nails and four of my finger tips lost enough skin to start bleeding. However the smile I saw in my reflection made it worth it. starting out lapping the cpu I noticed it was as wavy as a ruffles potato chip, its no wonder my prior heat sink the Koolance 305 water block had no chance of cooling it.
During the Fuzion block install, I noticed that the Fuzion block would bow the motherboard with only 5 full turns of the nuts on each post, it really does not take much force to bow the motherboard with their springs. The bowing caused the heat sinks to seperate away from the little voltage regulator chips surrounding cpu. I wonder if the Swiftech Challange guys on the first night did this same thing and caused the board to overheat. Now I dont know if the bowing of the Fuzion base which is convex caused the bowing of the motherboard or the actual spring tension on the mounts did this. Either way I backed off the tension of the screws to three full turns on each nut but it didnt really help that much. The cheap thermal paste on those heat sinks were a pink brittle glue material, I took it off and put AS5 on them but the bowing didnt allow for good contact. Here are some screen shots of before and after fuzion with lapping. My computer room is a constant 78F at all times year round. I really am pleased with the results the Fuzion helped tame the Quad core, the heat I was getting from OC the quad core was almost uncontrollable with it hitting +80C in TAT under load, now it gets to 70-72C max. My pump is running at 50% with fan speed at 5/10 which is pretty quiet. Before the fuzion I had to put the fan at 7 and pump at 75% just to idle at 56C and max 67C in gaming. Now I get 52C idle and 61C load. The AS5 has not broken in yet but the numbers are still good and the cores are close to each other for temps.
Here is my setup by the way:
EVGA 8800 GTX-SLI setup, XFI Fatality, EVGA 680i MB, Intel QX6700, PCpowercooling 1kw-SR PSU, Liteon 18XDVD, 10k WD raptors, Corsair 9136 5C dominator ram. Corsair Dominator Fan cooler. Koolance P4 1026BK case, Dtek Fuzion CPU cooling block and two Danger Den 8800gtx cooling blocks.



Before lapping and Koolance water block

After lapping and fuzion installed, three hours stable doing orthos, tat, prime

[Bail_w]

any results yet?

[ziddey]

daaaamn those are some good ass coretemps for the vcore and clock

[Ten]

Realy nice temps, i can't wait for mine, it's stuck in custom here in sweden i think or just the postal service is lazy

[flopper]

seems you got a nice upgrade then

I got a tripple rad from a single and lowered temp with 8degress celsius.

and can now runt hem at 5v also for low temp/noise.
helps with surfing.

Good example of difference beteeen blocks.

[redcorn]

My system has been running those settings for two weeks straight without one random boot or bsod. The only issues I had were the temps would get out of hand before the Fuzion and I would have to open windows or turn up the fan to cool the system down.

I wonder since the Fuzion only has a mild bowing in the base and caused the mother board to bow like in my picture if the Apogee GT with its bigger bowing of the base would cause the motherboard to bow drastically. This could lead to overheat issues and BSODs.

The convex base concept definitely works to cool the cpu down but lapping on the Quad core IHS is a must. My Quadcore was high on the sides, low going towards the middle then the middle was high and low. I looked at my prior block TIM distribution and it was horrible. There were places in the middle of the chip IHS that had fresh AS5 not touched then spots where it was.

Notice on my system pics I put a business card between the nvidia north bridge fan to deflect heat away from the CPU block and towards the exhaust fan. Cheap mod and works! the block holds the business card perfectly.

[virtualrain]

Interesting stuff...

What rad and pump are you using?

What cooling were you using before the Fuzion?

[redcorn]

Interesting stuff...

What rad and pump are you using?

What cooling were you using before the Fuzion?

I have the this case which comes with the cooling radiator and the koolance 300 cpu block. http://www.koolance.com/shop/product...roducts_id=304

The pump is made by liang which Koolance integrates into their system. The radiator is integrated into the case and is cooled by 3 120mm fans. I think if I would have lapped the cpu in the beginning it would have been better but either way I am happy with the Fuzion performance.

[redcorn]

Here is my idling temps after playing 3 hours of COD2 online. Simply amazing before I did this Fuzion install it used to idle at 54C in NV monitor and 59C-61C in TAT, after several hours of gaming. My 8800GTX SLI with dangerden blocks never go past 52C under load and idle at 47-48C.

[Lancelot]

Any thoughts about putting a back plate on the board to help with the flexing? Would that possibly cause temps to rise? By the way, what coolant are you using to get that blue color?

[virtualrain]

any thoughts about putting a back plate on the board to help with the flexing? Would that possibly cause temps to rise?

Absolutely it would help keep the board from flexing. I'm really shocked that Intel doesn't provide a backing plate with the HSF system. I'm used to AMD which includes a metal backing plate. Can you get backing plates for the intel mounting system somewhere?

[redcorn]

Absolutely it would help keep the board from flexing. I'm really shocked that Intel doesn't provide a backing plate with the HSF system. I'm used to AMD which includes a metal backing plate. Can you get backing plates for the intel mounting system somewhere?

I would like to know this also. I think with cpu water blocks going convex on their bases now, a back plate should be a simple mod to keep the motherboard from bowing. The water block companies should make one when they sell these blocks. Im thinking of modifying a Zalman back plate and seeing how I can make it work, if the screw sizes are standard maybe I could thread a post through the zalman screw holes.

[Chas_The_Man]

The backplate should come with the block if you ask me. Giving us four #6 machine screws is very ghetto. The brackets get hung up on the threads so you can't be sure if you have a decent mount. Its just Mickey Mouse. Even Zalman hands out backing plates with their crappy blocks. I supose you could make one with an old waterblock bracket and some standoffs. There just isn't a lot of room beind a motherboard to work with for nuts and stuff.

[redcorn]

Any thoughts about putting a back plate on the board to help with the flexing? Would that possibly cause temps to rise? By the way, what coolant are you using to get that blue color?

The blue water color is a proprietory coolant mix from Koolance. It voids your warranty for the case if you use any other type of fluid. Since Koolance uses aluminum radiators this coolant stops Galvanic corrosion. You can buy it on their website 15 dollars. www.koolance.com. The fluid is very clear and blue.

http://www.koolance.com/shop/default.php?cPath=37_58

[redcorn]

Crap Koolance just released their new CPU cooler with a back plate! Darn it.

http://www.koolance.com/shop/product...roducts_id=402

[Lancelot]

I have a 775 backplate from my Zalman 9500........I think I will use this to stop the bow effect.

[redcorn]

I have a 775 backplate from my Zalman 9500........I think I will use this to stop the bow effect.

That would be the easiset choice for modding the Apogee GT and Dtek.

Let me know if the standoff posts fit into the zalman back plates if you get a chance. Im going to order the Koolance 330 cpu block and try it out with the back plate. Ill post results when I get them.

If Dtek or Switftech was smart they would make a back plate and include it into their cpu blocks this would give one company an edge over the other since both blocks seem to be performing neck and neck.

[Chas_The_Man]

The Zalman backplate is plastic and has threaded inserts. The inserts are tiny. Probably metric but about 4-40 or smaller. You would need to drill it out to get it to work.

I was thinking of taking a Apoge mounting plate and gluing four plastic washers onto it.

[redcorn]

The Zalman backplate is plastic and has threaded inserts. The inserts are tiny. Probably metric but about 4-40 or smaller. You would need to drill it out to get it to work.

I was thinking of taking a Apoge mounting plate and gluing four plastic washers onto it.

Take some pics for us

[virtualrain]

I think this Thermalright backing plate would work nicely with any block (the piece on the left)... $5 USD...



Link

It's rediculous that a $2-3 part like this is not included with a water block when your $300-400 motherboard is at stake. Even the guys at the Swiftech challenge broke a board during mounting... if they can do it, anyone can. (And they should know better!).

[Hassan]

Zalman's will not fit... I tried... atleast without drilling it. Part of why I loved the DFI NF4 series was the stiff backplate, Hmmm... maybe the backplate off a Thermaltake BT would work...

[redcorn]

I think this Thermalright backing plate would work nicely with any block (the piece on the left)... $5 USD...



Link

It's rediculous that a $2-3 part like this is not included with a water block when your $300-400 motherboard is at stake. Even the guys at the Swiftech challenge broke a board during mounting... if they can do it, anyone can. (And they should know better!).

Ill order it and let you know. I hope the screw mounting stud posts fit in those holes. Thanks for the link but I cant see where you can buy it can you buy it straight from them?.
Im telling you guys once you get whatever blocks you get either the apogee GT or the Fuzion make sure the board is not bowing like crazy. It literally did not take much to bow the board. My tension screws are barely turned two turns and the board is bowing. I know its got to be the convex shaped bases causing this. I also bet the temps will be better if the motherboard does not bow away from the cpu block so reinforcing it with a bracket would give better temps due to better contact.

Here is another one.
http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/m...htm#acc_lga775

[virtualrain]

Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835999351

NCIX:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...e=THERMALRIGHT

[Hassan]

daaaamn those are some good ass coretemps for the vcore and clock

those are idle temps though load is what matters, what are your load temps...

I also have the Dtek Fuzion on my Kent and after TIM cure temps are much better than my storm, I am also idling very low

[redcorn]

Hassan what is your ambient temperature mine is 78F at all times.

If I open my windows and let the room get to 72-75 degrees I will idle at 38C-43C and under load will never past 52C. At room temperature of 78F TAT will hit 72-75C where it used to hit +80C. Under normal load my system hits max 59-60C after three hours of COD2 online. My ACS5 has not cure yet its only been on there for 15 hours.

Also if I turn my fans up from 5/10 to 7/10 I get more noise but the idle temps are the same as yours with max load temp of 69-70C in TAT and 60C in normal load programs like games. I like my room at 78F and fans at 5/10 settings for quiet internet surfing. Before the fuzion even at Idle I had to run the fan at 7/10 which was loud and I still had to open the window once in a while during gaming to control the heat.