is ati and nvidia milking us?

[Skratch]

Name ONE DX10 ONLY game out that you want to play

thats not the point my friend even the goverment picked up on what i have noticed and is sueing them for it

they have been ripping us off and got gought even having meetings (ATI and NVIDIA)on what they should charge the consumers and priced gauged each other

I can remember when the best of the best weather it was 3dfx quad chip vodooo 6,ati,matrox,nvidea that the top end was no more than 400 and that 400 got you number one on the orb.It was like that for years and up until 2 years ago when the prices started skyrocketing between both camps

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thats not the point my friend even the goverment picked up on what i have noticed and is sueing them for it

they have been ripping us off and got gought even having meetings (ATI and NVIDIA)on what they should charge the consumers and priced gauged each other

I can remember when the best of the best weather it was 3dfx quad chip vodooo 6,ati,matrox,nvidea that the top end was no more than 400 and that 400 got you number one on the orb.It was like that for years and up until 2 years ago when the prices started skyrocketing between both camps

so a large part of your claim is that the only cards that support a feature, have an outrageous price (not really but just for the sake of argument) well big deal. No one said you had to pay it and no one even said you are required to have it to do ANYTHING. Wait a month or two and you'll see the price drop because of low demand (because it costs too much to consider) that is how capitalism works. R&D is uber expensive and yes we are charged much more than it costs to manufacture it (A Conroe costs about $13 to make so are you going to sue Intel for ripping off the customer?)

[Skratch]

so a large part of your claim is that the only cards that support a feature, have an outrageous price (not really but just for the sake of argument) well big deal. No one said you had to pay it and no one even said you are required to have it to do ANYTHING. Wait a month or two and you'll see the price drop because of low demand (because it costs too much to consider) that is how capitalism works. R&D is uber expensive and yes we are charged much more than it costs to manufacture it (A Conroe costs about $13 to make so are you going to sue Intel for ripping off the customer?)

A conroe does NOT cost 13 to make. My mom was given a chance to work for intel and just there payroll in the labs blows that number out the water.

think of it this way what would happen if all of a sudden you saw 2 psu companies go bash it out and were the only ones left.then soon after the prices went up 75-80% from 3 years earlier?

thats basically what happened(but both worked together behind our backs)

ATI and Nvidea are the only top dogs left and they ran the market for what they wanted.

I have waited a month or 2 and the prices are still up there...
why are you ignoring the anti trust lawsuit I posted ?

[perry_78]

A conroe does NOT cost 13 to make. My mom was given a chance to work for intel and just there payroll in the labs blows that number out the water.

think of it this way what would happen if all of a sudden you saw 2 psu companies go bash it out and were the only ones left.then soon after the prices went up 75-80% from 3 years earlier?

thats basically what happened(but both worked together behind our backs)

ATI and Nvidea are the only top dogs left and they ran the market for what they wanted.

I have waited a month or 2 and the prices are still up there...
why are you ignoring the anti trust lawsuit I posted ?

Please, please, leave R&D out of it

Actual costs are not that high..

[ewitte]

Please, please, leave R&D out of it

Actual costs are not that high..

R&D is a big part of it. But even material costs, equipment and electricity is a lot higher than it was for cards just 5 years ago. I'd be willing to bet it costs more than 2-3 times to produce a card than it did around 2000. Maybe even as much as 5 times. Especially considering almost every raw material over just the last few years has skyrocketed in price due to inflation. Prices and the economies have suffered a lot since 911 where we were already having a tough time. Though somewhat lower now Gold, silver and even copper went up A LOT in just the last 2-3 years. To give you an idea it was costing more than 1c to produce pennies not to long ago. They only produce them because they know people would pay for top notch performance. If people were not buying at a profit they would not build it.

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R&D is a big part of it. But even material costs, equipment and electricity is a lot higher than it was for cards just 5 years ago. I'd be willing to bet it costs more than 2-3 times to produce a card than it did around 2000. Maybe even as much as 5 times. Especially considering almost every raw material over just the last few years has skyrocketed in price due to inflation. Prices and the economies have suffered a lot since 911 where we were already having a tough time. Though somewhat lower now Gold, silver and even copper went up A LOT in just the last 2-3 years. To give you an idea it was costing more than 1c to produce pennies not to long ago. They only produce them because they know people would pay for top notch performance. If people were not buying at a profit they would not build it.

exactly, however the statement of Conroe's manufacturing cost is just for the materials, processing, and labor. Not the R&D, which soaks up almost the rest of the money