Intel backs graphics processing startup

[Ubermann]

Lucid (Kfar Netter, Israel), which employs 27 workers, aims to provide a graphics acceleration traffic organizing chip that can support up to four graphics processing units (GPUs) simultaneously. Lucid said it expects to have first full production silicon samples by the end of 2007. The company plans to hit volume sales with a large board manufacturer such as Asustek, Leadtek or GigaByte and a system integrator such as Dell, HP or Alienware.

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[thephenom]

So it's a chip to improve scalability on multi-GPU. From my understand, NV's quad SLi didn't scale well was due to limitation on AFR, and I've heard this from NV and ATI. And this limitation is supposed to improve in DX10

I don't see how 1 chip can help overcome that hurdle without using extra CPU/RAM.

[Ubermann]

while the driver helps makes the application indifferent to the graphics processors in use.

Maybe you can mix cards, ATI and Nvidia..

[Cooper]

Maybe you can mix cards, ATI and Nvidia..

That, if possible, would make big performance hit compared to two cards of same vendor. Actually this means that this chip can accelerate each vendors cards: ATI, NVidia, XGI or S3.

[jbizzler]

Maybe Intel is making this for their own GPUs...

[nn_step]

Intel IS Making these for their own Chipsets and for their current (pathetic) Graphics chips to help them compete with nVidia/ATi. Ironically they have yet to surpass Via in Graphics performance

[m0da]

That is possible would make big performance hit compared to two cards of same vendor. Actually this means that this chip can accelerate each vendors cards: ATI, NVidia, XGI or S3.

im not sure. pairing two of the best cards usually means pairing two of the same cards...
(unless you want ati for fear performance + nvidia for some other game?)

[STEvil]

I wonder if any of the employees worked for Wicked 3D.

[red]

Intel IS Making these for their own Chipsets and for their current (pathetic) Graphics chips to help them compete with nVidia/ATi. Ironically they have yet to surpass Via in Graphics performance

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/12...md_integrated/
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/chi...65-gf6150.html

Eh? Perhaps the results may be a bit skewed because the Athlons were too slow but this looks like typical nn FUD.

[Ailleur]

Intel IS Making these for their own Chipsets and for their current (pathetic) Graphics chips to help them compete with nVidia/ATi. Ironically they have yet to surpass Via in Graphics performance

Besides what the poster above me already pointed as ridiculously false in your statement, its worth mentionning that intel has a 51% market share in mobile graphics (obviously the largest market shate) and 35% in the desktop market vs 24 for nvidia and 22 for ATI so im thinking they feel pretty comfortable.


Edit-- forgot the source
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/12/06/am...phics_q3_2006/


Edit: flames removed.

[.Tret]

Intel IS Making these for their own Chipsets and for their current (pathetic) Graphics chips to help them compete with nVidia/ATi. Ironically they have yet to surpass Via in Graphics performance

The integrated Intel 945G and Intel G965 chipsets for LGA775 processors perform better than integrated chipsets for Socket AM2 platform offered by Nvidia.
Moreover, this performance advantage can be observed in applications dealing with 3D graphics as well as during video playback.

Quote from this site http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/chi...gf6150_15.html

EDIT: Didn't see the previous posts.

[red]

Intel IS Making these for their own Chipsets and for their current (pathetic) Graphics chips to help them compete with nVidia/ATi. Ironically they have yet to surpass Via in Graphics performance

I've already addressed Intel vs Nvidia. This is a rather old review but..
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/chi...s-roundup.html
I see nowhere where Via beats Intel.

[Vapor]

Maybe this is like the thing Alienware promised pre-SLI?

[Haltech]

Intel IS Making these for their own Chipsets and for their current (pathetic) Graphics chips to help them compete with nVidia/ATi. Ironically they have yet to surpass Via in Graphics performance

VIA had to buy out S3 just to try to stay even with Intel's...

[XSAlliN]

Besides what the poster above me already pointed as ridiculously false in your statement, its worth mentioning that intel has a 51% market share in mobile graphics (obviously the largest market shate) and 35% in the desktop market vs 24 for nvidia and 22 for ATI so im thinking they feel pretty comfortable.

Now that's the most funniest thing I've ever heard this year - no offense man but you made me laugh with tears,...

intel has a 51% market share in mobile graphics

Yeah and those graphics sure look awesome - you realy need the most powerful chips to play those games, it's beyond the present G80, if it had Windows Vista would be with DX11 support. (being Sarcastic).

The truth is that those graphics or similar to the first Nintendo or maybe Super Nintendo if I take N-Gage for example (nothing compared to DX7 or DX8 graphics on PC).

35% in the desktop market vs 24 for nvidia and 22 for ATI

Here you did it again - comparing all Intel integrated Chips on market with Nvida/ATi, which work more with cards for different purpose like High Graphics Gaming for example - you just compared a Family car with A Top Sport car from Ferrari and you're surprised that the family car sells better.

[onewingedangel]

Intel integrated graphics aren't that bad. Obviously their primary market is general desktop use and some video playback and they're fine for that. They can even play the odd old game. For integrated graphics thats fine, to play any games in high resolution, or with aa/af you NEED dedicated graphics, even nvidia and ati's integrated graphics strugge with games.b When you compare all vendors integrated solutions intel doesn't fare badly at all. The 965 was a bit of a mis-step prioritising functionality to the detriment of performance, but the next variants should thanks to increased transistors, scale the design up and form a more balanced solution.

If intel move to dedicated graphics cards then obviously they will have more transistors and a greater power/heat envelope to play with, so there is no way to really know how they will fare until they release a product.

[Ailleur]

Now that's the most funniest thing I've ever heard this year - no offense man but you made me laugh with tears,...



Yeah and those graphics sure look awesome - you realy need the most powerful chips to play those games, it's beyond the present G80, if it had Windows Vista would be with DX11 support. (being Sarcastic).

The truth is that those graphics or similar to the first Nintendo or maybe Super Nintendo if I take N-Gage for example (nothing compared to DX7 or DX8 graphics on PC).



Here you did it again - comparing all Intel integrated Chips on market with Nvida/ATi, which work more with cards for different purpose like High Graphics Gaming for example - you just compared a Family car with A Top Sport car from Ferrari and you're surprised that the family car sells better.

I guess its a good thing the post i was replying to was about integrated graphics then! Or else my post would have looked pretty foolish.

[vitaminc]

you just compared a Family car with A Top Sport car from Ferrari and you're surprised that the family car sells better.

Farraris are only better than Toyotas in terms of raw performance and exlusivity, but lags behind in every other metrix.

[XSAlliN]

Farraris are only better than Toyotas in terms of raw performance and exlusivity, but lags behind in every other metrix.

I was trying to make a point whit that comparison - this topic is not about cars.

Intel integrated graphics aren't that bad. Obviously their primary market is general desktop use and some video playback and they're fine for that. They can even play the odd old game. For integrated graphics thats fine, to play any games in high resolution, or with aa/af you NEED dedicated graphics, even nvidia and ati's integrated graphics strugge with games.b When you compare all vendors integrated solutions intel doesn't fare badly at all. The 965 was a bit of a mis-step prioritising functionality to the detriment of performance, but the next variants should thanks to increased transistors, scale the design up and form a more balanced solution.

Those high sells were for office - if I own a company I buy systems with integrated graphic chips, because I want my employers to do their jobs not play games all day and Intel makes pretty solid boards for this purpose so all this makes sense.

I guess its a good thing the post i was replying to was about integrated graphics then! Or else my post would have looked pretty foolish.

Compared to VIA - I agree but whit ATi/Nvidia there is no comparison.

[vitaminc]

I was trying to make a point whit that comparison - this topic is not about cars.



Those high sells were for office - if I own a company I buy systems with integrated graphic chips, because I want my employers to do their jobs not play games all day and Intel makes pretty solid boards for this purpose so all this makes sense.



Compared to VIA - I agree but whit ATi/Nvidia there is no comparison.

you should be smart enough to draw parallels between cars and gfx cards.

integrated graphics is like civics. good energy efficiency for everyday commutes at very affordable price with everything you need inside.

Intel's integrated graphics is actually fairly competitive against NVidia and ATi/AMD's integrated solutions, but sucks compare to discrete gfx cards. But not everyone needs 600HP Porsche for their daily commute on Laguna Seca.

[Canibuz]

my buddys on base IBm thinkpad has an integreated X300 and it r0x0rz all the dell laptops

I can even play civ4 on it. With my P4 willy 1.5ghz with 512mb of ram and Geforce 4mx440 I couldn't even TOUCH his fps with a integrated x300 and celeron m 1.6ghz with 256mb of ram.

[Kingcarcas]

you should be smart enough to draw parallels between cars and gfx cards.

integrated graphics is like civics. good energy efficiency for everyday commutes at very affordable price with everything you need inside.

Intel's integrated graphics is actually fairly competitive against NVidia and ATi/AMD's integrated solutions, but sucks compare to discrete gfx cards. But not everyone needs 600HP Porsche for their daily commute on Laguna Seca.

Now it gets tricky, i've seen 600HP Civics

[found404]

Old thread I know, but just read this update and it's nice to see things are progressing:

http://lucidlogix.com/news/pr_2008_07_14.html

[bowman]

They might just pull it off - then again it might just turn out to be vaporware.

Seems like a hardware solution to a problem software hasn't been able to solve - I guess with that roster if anyone can pull it off it's these guys.

[Hornet331]

lol blast from the past.