Swiftech Storm vs. Apogee and Intel Quad-Core Cooling - Definative Results

[freecableguy]

Swiftech Storm (revision 2) and Swiftech Apogee are strapped to the test bench to find out just which one is really better when it comes to cooling Intel's new quad-core Kentsfield/Clovertown processor.

Read the full article at The Tech Repository...


-FCG

[granulf]

Doh, now I'm regretting swapping my apogee for a storm . 2c is a big difference IMO

[Reinvented]

very nice work Kris. was a great read! thanks!

[IanY]

Mr. FCG,

Great work. Now people can stop treating me like a liar.

I'm sure someone is now going to look me in the ey and say that 2 degrees C is insignificant, or that the Kentsfield "sux" anyway.. or some other nonsensical excuse like that.

[SiGfever]

Swiftech Storm (revision 2) and Swiftech Apogee are strapped to the test bench to find out just which one is really better when it comes to cooling Intel's new quad-core Kentsfield/Clovertown processor.

Read the full article at The Tech Repository...


-FCG

Yea but what about the MP-05 SP LE vs Apogee?

[warriorpoet]

Yea but what about the MP-05 SP LE vs Apogee?

...or storm

[Mr. Peanut]

Yesss I was wondering when this would be done. Thanks for your contribution to XS and watercooling in general!

[Mr. Peanut]

You have proven what some dared to speculate and others would hear none of. I wonder how an MCW6002 would've performed?

[Lurid]

You have proven what some dared to speculate and others would hear none of. I wonder how an MCW6002 would've performed?

Similarly to the Apogee I would estimate, possibly better.

[Anemone]

I'm going to say thank you for the effort. Well done article. Kudos

[alejo]

Nice article. Man, you must of put a lot of work into that.

[NickS]

Wow nice! Now test some AquaXtreme blocks

[IanY]

I stated those conclusions a month ago and I was flamed like no tomorrow, as though its inconceivable that the Storm cannot be the best under all situations. I'm glad those conclusions have finally been verified. Now, we have further doubts... Apogee cannot possibly be better than 6002! Swiftech must be lying! Same old stuff all over again.

[jtdigital]

interesting... results like this when swiftech is about to release another block. maybe I should wait ordering.

[Timmay]

It will be interesting to see if we get an RBX style block to cool the new quad cores (dual die) where the water gets pumped into the CPU block in 2 locations (right above the core).

I think Cathars Job is not finished yet

[Planet]

It will be interesting to see if we get an RBX style block to cool the new quad cores (dual die) where the water gets pumped into the CPU block in 2 locations (right above the core).

I think Cathars Job is not finished yet

Wouldnt work that great. Those blocks were designed way back in the era of Socket A.

[Timmay]

So 2 sets of jets right over the cores, what wouldn't work well about it?

[Nicksterr]

Nice review, you must be an engineer of some sort, I don't see many people using excel trendlines, RMSE's and graphical analysis to show data results in the PC enthusiast world.

[Jochenp]

Apogee cannot possibly be better than 6002! Swiftech must be lying! Same old stuff all over again.

Storm lost to Apogee on quadcore, not because it's design is less performant than apogee, but because the Apogee covers all of the four cores.
When it comes to 6002 vs Apogee, both cover all four cores and 6002's design has the upper hand.
Therefor, people who think logically must conclude that in theory the 6002 should perform better.
Reality tests may prove this wrong, but in an ideal situation (which never occurs obviously), the 6002 should perform better.

[eva2000]

nice article there... i picked up an Apogee just before Xmas.. and have a Swiftech MCW6002 LGA775 block too haven't done much with either block for now but motivated to try Although MCW6002 LGA775 stepped base isn't stepped right didn't fit some of my boards before when dry fitting

[SiGfever]

It amazes me how fast people seem to want to dethrone the Storm, it almost seems personal. The Storm was the pinnacle of waterblock design for its time. It was conceived and engineered for a certain set of CPU rules but the rules have changed over the recent years. If we were not using dual and quad core CPU the Storm would continue to kick ass over the competition.

A small waterblock design shop in Australia produced the finest waterblocks that the world had ever seen. So much so that Swiftech bought the rights to produce the G4 as the "Storm". The Apogee isn't a superior design, its lack of ability to concentrate its cooling efforts on the center of the IHS turned out to be a good thing for a dual and quad core CPU.

I bet the original Whitewater three barb waterblock could perform as well or better than the Apogee. Swiftech is supposed to be unveiling a "Super-duper" model very soon and we will see what their vision of the future is. And just because Cathar hasn't come out with his design yet does not mean that he will not develop the waterblock to take things to the next level. He has stated that the obtainable levels have diminished because of current waterblock designs have reached a plateau. Just my $.015

[nikhsub1]

Since room temperature could not be precisely controlled, all temperature calculations were made with respect to ambient temperature.

Can you elaborate on exactly how you 'calculated' this? No where is there any mention of ambient temps except for the above blurb (unless I'm blind which certainly could be the case).

[freecableguy]

Can you elaborate on exactly how you 'calculated' this? No where is there any mention of ambient temps except for the above blurb (unless I'm blind which certainly could be the case).

You're blind. Download the spreadsheets and instruction. I have already provided EVERYTHING.

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

some people just dont want to beleive. now we have results from a very credible member and people still want to be blind.

you can go check out my results in the thread i made.

EDIT: looks like the thread i made was locked for no apparent reason. seems the mod who locked it though beleives these threads have the same info. im sure its obvious this thread is only discussing current intel quadcores with the apogee vs storm,

while my thread discussed small die, large dies, and real world testing with the storm vs apogee.

but i guess having information from many sources being provided to the forum members here is a bad thing.

[nikhsub1]

You're blind. Download the spreadsheets and instruction. I have already provided EVERYTHING.

Yep, thanks I see it in the excel sheets. Very nice and detailed FCG, gotta give you props on this one