First review of Intel Core 2 Duo E4300

[squilliam]

I am highly confused. I thought that the Conroes were supposed to have
no real contender, yet the X2 3800+ only costs $136 on Newegg and has
almost just as much power as the 6300. the X2 3800+ costs a bit less...

[NiCKE^]

Do you say X2 3800+ got close to the same performance as a E6300?

[Turtle 1]

Well I don't understand your Question. How high does the X2 3800 o/c.
The e6300 is a 1.83 ghz core the X2 3800 is a 2ghz part. A better comparsion would be the C2D E4300 part. To be released in jan. ..That what were reading now is the e4300.

[Turtle 1]

That's a E6300...

Thanks Mat I missed that. Still the E4300 O/C's very well.

[squilliam]

I was just curious why the 6300 would be $50 more if those numbers were coming so close. It just seemed to me that they were.

[oijkue]

Could be a bios bug or VCCA problem. Can you check how high VCCA is with core temp please? If it is below 1.15v that could be the problem.
What exactly keeps you from going higher than 349mhz FSB? Does it just get unstable at that point?

I tried 7 8 9 multiplier,with stock cooler and voltage (1.325v)
349MHz boot up and passed dual 32M. but 350 351 352 353MHz can't boot
Now I use BOINC for 24hr stress test,at 2.8G 1.23vcore

I will try SETFSB to adjust tomorrow,thanks

[Turtle 1]

Well I don't know but I think I would pay extra $50 for a cpu that can O/C to 3.2+ ghz. I not sure you would but it seems many people have.

[Mats]

Well I don't know but I think I would pay extra $50 for a cpu that can O/C to 3.2+ ghz. I not sure you would but it seems many people have.

Exactly. People here don't look at stock speed performance only, they look at overclockability too. The E6300 is usually compared to the similary priced X2 4200+, even though the latter most likely won't overclock better than a X2 3800+.

3.4 GHz prime stable for an E4300 ES is really good, but what can you get from an E6300 at best, prime stable on air? I've just seen lots of SPI screenshots up to 4 GHz, but that's hardly stable.

[Kingcarcas]

^^ I would, it's still under $200 so it's a good price for me Especially if it might increase my chances of 3ghz+.

[Phosphate]

Exactly. People here don't look at stock speed performance only, they look at overclockability too. The E6300 is usually compared to the similary priced X2 4200+, even though the latter most likely won't overclock better than a X2 3800+.

3.4 GHz prime stable for an E4300 ES is really good, but what can you get from an E6300 at best, prime stable on air? I've just seen lots of SPI screenshots up to 4 GHz, but that's hardly stable.

Its going to be hard to say what is more overclockable until people like Coolaler and others get their hands on e4300 to test and compare to other benchmarks they ran with the same mobo/ram.

Still I almost wonder if there were chips that didn't make the cut. Then on the other hand isn't this suposed to be a new stepping/core (a true 2 MB Conroe?)

[Turtle 1]

Its going to be hard to say what is more overclockable until people like Coolaler and others get their hands on e4300 to test and compare to other benchmarks they ran with the same mobo/ram.

Still I almost wonder if there were chips that didn't make the cut. Then on the other hand isn't this suposed to be a new stepping/core (a true 2 MB Conroe?)

Ya as I understand these are new core with just 2mb of cache and no virtualization. When Intel floods the market with these Dell HP will beable to put out some very low cost PC's

[oijkue]

wow,I was wrong
I use SETFSB today,oc 95% 3.5G is easy

E4300 ES
GIGA 965P-DS3 (F8I)
DDR2-667 512Mx2
rageXL PCI
stock cooler,room temp=21C/70F

vcore 1.525v(BIOS SET) ,1.49v(loading)
349MHz*9 boot,SETFSB set 390MHz=3.51G,BOINC stress 1hr passed

I have try 400FSB,but its failed

[Phosphate]

wow,I was wrong
I use SETFSB today,oc 95% 3.5G is easy

E4300 ES
GIGA 965P-DS3 (F8I)
DDR2-667 512Mx2
rageXL PCI
stock cooler,room temp=21C/70F

vcore 1.525v(BIOS SET) ,1.49v(loading)
349MHz*9 boot,SETFSB set 390MHz=3.51G,BOINC stress 1hr passed

I have try 400FSB,but its failed

That looks good.

What memory are you using? 667 can give good overclocks if it the right stuff.

[oijkue]

That looks good.

What memory are you using? 667 can give good overclocks if it the right stuff.

Just Transcend DDR2-667,Elpida chips
Its not bad for overclocking

[Turtle 1]

wow,I was wrong
I use SETFSB today,oc 95% 3.5G is easy

E4300 ES
GIGA 965P-DS3 (F8I)
DDR2-667 512Mx2
rageXL PCI
stock cooler,room temp=21C/70F

vcore 1.525v(BIOS SET) ,1.49v(loading)
349MHz*9 boot,SETFSB set 390MHz=3.51G,BOINC stress 1hr passed

I have try 400FSB,but its failed

That is a really nice overclock. now if Intel would price these @ $125 they would be GREAT.

[Poodle]

I've stubbled over some e-tailers that have listed them and they aren't much cheaper than E6600 at the moment at least.


My guess is that Intel want to take back some of the OEM low end market as X2 is still in many ways a better chose than C2D. As the E6300 and above are overkill for even the most heavy Office user and the X2 gives lower power than C2D under low stress and is a little cheaper.

I've heard that the E4300 consumes 15W less than the E6300 at same Cpu clock, because of the lower FSB. This backs my claim. I don't think Intel have enjoyed seeing the 90nm X2s beeing lower power at idle than 65nm Allendale and thus giving more value to Office users. And now Amd have 65nm so I think that Intel actually feels pressed on the power thing.

So I hope that this Cpu gives Amd a harder time to sell the X2s if Intel sell them close to the current X2 price. A full on price war in January would be nice. I also hope Amd will go lower prices faster now when they have 65nm chips.


I would only buy this Cpu for something low or mid power though. The Xeons have all my attention for a main rig at the moment.

[Frank M]

wow,I was wrong
I use SETFSB today,oc 95% 3.5G is easy

Cool!
I've even heard rumors of an E4400

currently debating whether I need VT...

btw... choko kare (chocolate curry)...

[oijkue]

Flash BIOS from f8i to f8j,the 349MHz fsbwall disappeared.
oc 102% with stock cooler

[someguy91]

I've been lurking these forums for a while. But holy mother of God. This deserves a post. I'm building a rig in the new year.. probably pick this up and the p5n-e. Should be an amazing budget combo.

edit: Where is the processor prime stable?

[[XC] hipno650]

whats the temps at 400fsb? what is the ram volts? and can you boot at 400fsb from bois to be WCG stable? what do you run in boinc anyways?

[oijkue]

whats the temps at 400fsb? what is the ram volts? and can you boot at 400fsb from bois to be WCG stable? what do you run in boinc anyways?

I can boot at 404MHz,but 400 and 401MHz can't
vdimm is 2.18V,temp at loading is 69~71/54~56c (TAT/coretemp),room temp is 17c
I dont have WCG,but I will try BOINC later

[StealthyFish]

I've stubbled over some e-tailers that have listed them and they aren't much cheaper than E6600 at the moment at least.


My guess is that Intel want to take back some of the OEM low end market as X2 is still in many ways a better chose than C2D. As the E6300 and above are overkill for even the most heavy Office user and the X2 gives lower power than C2D under low stress and is a little cheaper.

I've heard that the E4300 consumes 15W less than the E6300 at same Cpu clock, because of the lower FSB. This backs my claim. I don't think Intel have enjoyed seeing the 90nm X2s beeing lower power at idle than 65nm Allendale and thus giving more value to Office users. And now Amd have 65nm so I think that Intel actually feels pressed on the power thing.

So I hope that this Cpu gives Amd a harder time to sell the X2s if Intel sell them close to the current X2 price. A full on price war in January would be nice. I also hope Amd will go lower prices faster now when they have 65nm chips.


I would only buy this Cpu for something low or mid power though. The Xeons have all my attention for a main rig at the moment.

then again....... the FX-74's eat around 510W..... lol, but let's see what the 65nm AMD's have in store. FX74's are 90nm Anyway, this chip looks good. I wanna see the Conroe-L's perform too =). Sub-100 dollar conroe chips with less cache... hmm.... i wonder what kind of overclocks that would achieve.

[Turtle 1]

Intel has just come out with new price cuts you can read in the news section. The pricing are crazy GOOD. Just skip over the fanboy stuff about Intel lowering price because of fear of the almighty K8l to be released in the 3rd qt.

[nn_step]

Intel has just come out with new price cuts you can read in the news section. The pricing are crazy GOOD. Just skip over the fanboy stuff about Intel lowering price because of fear of the almighty K8l to be released in the 3rd qt.

very true, but lets actually wait until after retail before we calculate their New average overclock, since they have made a few Die Changes. Which may mean better or worse average overclocks. But we will see

[Turtle 1]

That is a really nice overclock. now if Intel would price these @ $125 they would be GREAT.

It would seem Turtle 1 was close here. $113 . From what I know this is really good price.