31 Kits Corsair XMS2 5400UL

[The Nemesis]

Hmmm. I guess I sit this one out. I picked up the 8000UL last time and I'm pleased with there results. I doubt thes v1.5's have D9DQT or D9DQW that's superior to them.

[bofors]

Anyway.. its not 1.1. I got v1.5. But the timing is still rated at 3-3-2-8 @ 675.. so we will see how it goes.

Man, I was convinced that NewEgg had v1.2. Please post some results with the v1.5.

8 sets left.

[bofors]

Pic shows rev 1.2 and 3-2-2-8 (as opposed to 3-3-2-8) spec. If you don't get as such, it'd at least be worth complaining to newegg about.

They really should be listing the spec in the ad, especially since it varies revision to revision.

If I send mine back for a refund and demand they pay return shipping (because the specs. are different), it costs NewEgg money.

Does anybody think NewEgg would drop the price by complaining about this issue?

We might be able to get some money back if we all complained (together).

[Kunaak]

hahaha....

are you serious?

you wanna send it back, cause you didnt get a specific revision?

find any other set of ram that will do what even the 1.5's will do, then see if you want to sent it back.
your not gonna find ram that possibly will do cas 4-3-2 at 1 ghz anywhere these days.... or even cas 4-3-3...

cause Ras to Cas 3 at 1 ghz, is extremely hard on ram.

just try the ram, before you go flippin out about some revision numbers...

[TiTON]

I will try to bench them tonight on my p5b. I'm having a heck of a time w/ the leaving curve on the 680i :P

SAD

[bofors]

are you serious?

you wanna send it back, cause you didnt get a specific revision?

If I get RAM which Corsair says is rated at 3-3-2-8 and not the 3-2-2-8 RAM I ordered from NewEgg, I am serious about playing some hardball. I could write a lawsuit on that discrepancy very easily.

find any other set of ram that will do what even the 1.5's will do, then see if you want to sent it back.
your not gonna find ram that possibly will do cas 4-3-2 at 1 ghz anywhere these days.... or even cas 4-3-3...

cause Ras to Cas 3 at 1 ghz, is extremely hard on ram.

just try the ram, before you go flippin out about some revision numbers...

I did not say I wanted to send it back, I said it would cost NewEgg money if I did (on the basis of shipping and handling). NewEgg might also have to resell it as an "open box" item at a further loss (although I have not seen any high quality "open box" RAM there).

I am glad you think that even v1.5 is so good. I do plan to test it, however my BadAxe can only overvolt the DIMMs to 2.2V (I was planning to order BadAxe2's to go with this RAM).

[trans am]

Man, talk about jumping the gun. Just try it. Take the heatspreaders off and tell us what's under the hood. I'm dying to know. post your results in this thread. please

[squilliam]

I am most curious. How do you find out exactly how many they have in stock?

[badhabit]

I think this was mentioned in an earlier thread. Something about adding a high number (say, 100? 1000?) to your cart, which makes it reduce the number in your cart to the number in stock.

I think.

[Reefa_Madness]

Type in 99 in the quantity and it will tell you that there is insuficient quantity and instead will show the available quantity, which about an hour ago, or so, was only 7 sets.

[Kunaak]

If I get RAM which Corsair says is rated at 3-3-2-8 and not the 3-2-2-8 RAM I ordered from NewEgg, I am serious about playing some hardball. I could write a lawsuit on that discrepancy very easily.

thats funny... you actually think that would work...

no where on the page, where you buy the ram do they garauntee any specific revision.
what you get, is Corsair 5400UL.... nothing more.
Not even the Cas is Garaunteed.
you can write all the law papers you can think of, but when you buy something, you get only what you buy, not specific revisions.... just like if you buy a CPU and you get a week or code you dont like, it's not thier fault.

its in clear plain words here.

http://www.newegg.com/CustomerServic...yAgreement.asp

No website on the internet can be expected to tailor to specific revisions of any hardware. a few will try, like Tankguys definatly go out of thier way to get a person exactly what they want, but a place like newegg, wont, and it's clearly typed out in thier User Agreement Policy.

Product Revisions
Newegg.com is not responsible for changes or variations in product specifications and/or physical appearance. In the interest of our customers, Newegg.com puts forth its best efforts to ensure that all product information is up-to-date and factual. Unfortunately there are varying determinates which, although infrequent, could cause the information on our website to become outdated without our immediate knowledge. This includes but is not limited to new versions or revisions, color deviations, retail package alterations and other variations that may be considered inconsequential by the manufacturer. Newegg.com relies on the manufacturer to communicate these differences. Presently we have no way of alerting customers prior to purchase in the event the manufacturer fails to do so. Consequently, Newegg.com will not be held responsible for product revision changes.

[fhpchris]

Who honestly goes off on newegg's revision numbers...

Besides, why do you care, your only going to run cas 4-4-4 @ 2.2v anyway. Do you honestly think you will even see any difference @ 2.2v...um..no.

The last pair of 8000UL from newegg was DOA, sent both pairs back for a full refund, and if anything Newegg's RMA policy is kick-ass! You go try some of that crap with e-wiz or some other online retailer...

[The Nemesis]

It's unfortunate the sticks were not v1.2. Since that was a big deal to me I didn't order. I waited for someone to confirm what they got before making a decision. Even though I'm now shying away from them, until they are tested to see how they perform or someone removes the heat spreaders and reveals they have D9DQT or D9DQW, everything is still premature. Newegg is definitely not responsible for us not receiving exactly what we see in the photo's as someone has already posted. Come on thats just ridiculous Everyone RMA's for whatever reason. Some of us find it unethical, but it's the consumer's right to request a refund if not satisfied with a purchase. This is why companies have return policies to protect their interest and thwart funny stuff as much as possible. Hopefully the sticks Will perform admirably & most will be satisfied with their purchase. I'm certainly and happy with the 8000UL purchase I made, but very disappointed in the 2GB Kit Crucial 25th Anniversary purchase. Win some, lose some

[bofors]

you can write all the law papers you can think of, but when you buy something, you get only what you buy, not specific revisions...

Perhaps the law works differently in Alaska, but where I live it is not legal to make commercial representations (advertisements) which are false or which should have been known to be false.

just like if you buy a CPU and you get a week or code you dont like, it's not thier fault.

It is NewEgg's fault. They should have known the "5400UL" they had was not rated at 3-2-2-8 by Corsair. The spec. is clearly labeled on the RAM, all NewEgg had to do was update their page. Since NewEgg seems to have updated their data from v1.0 to v1.2, it is fair to suspect that NewEgg deliberately failed to change it for revisions v1.3, v1.4 and v1.5 (all of which are lower spec.).

Moreover, v1.2 and v1.5 use significantly different grades of RAM. Representing v1.5 as being the same thing as v1.2 (i.e. "5400UL"), when NewEgg (and Corsair) knew or should have known v1.5 is of substantially lesser quality than v1.2 is fraud.

its in clear plain words here.

NewEgg's statement might provide a weak defense on the contract claim (NewEgg's obligation to ship me what I ordered, i.e. 3-2-2-8 RAM), but it has no bearing on the claims of negligence (NewEgg's duty to post the corrects specs.) or fraud (NewEgg's tacit agreement with Corsair to lower the quality of IC's on parts after they have generated rave reviews).

In short, it does not matter what NewEgg's "policy" says. It is illegal to make false advertisements and to dupe people with Corsair's "bait and switch" overclocking RAM schemes.

thats funny... you actually think that would work...

Kunaak, you seem like a nice guy and I value reading your posts in this forum. In fact, they were a deciding factor in my decision to order the RAM in question. But I do not think you have clue about the law and I have not even bothered to spell out what should be obvious in this case.

Now, I have just laid down some $520 for RAM that NewEgg claimed to be rated 3-2-2-8 by Corsair and apparently is not. To make a very simple analogy that really fails to cover the fraud aspect of the overclocking RAM business, this is like ordering a pizza with anchovies and having the delivery guy show up with pepperoni instead. Even if that is the best pepperoni in the world, dammit if I am not going to get a discount on that pizza.

Cheers,
~bofors

[Kunaak]

no....

what the problem here is... is you, youuuuuuu believe that heres this huge massive difference between the 1.2 and 1.5, you think ras to cas 2 is some major advantage that your losing out on....

aren't you aiming for cas 4-3-2 or cas 4-3-3 at over 1 ghz like most people?
so why are you freaking out?

and neweggs policy is clear, its simple, and every single time you buy something... you agree to to that policy, it's right before you check out and you click that little button saying "I agree".
you may not read it, but it's there, implying that you should have known this before you ever bought something...

[Reefa_Madness]

I believe that if you put up a big enough stink, newegg might not charge a restocking fee and refund your full purchase price fee due to the error in the Specifications regarding the memory timings.

I would be more than surprised, however, if anyone could get a discount on their purchase and be able to keep the ram. If it is good enough to keep, then pay the asking price, otherwise send it back for a refund.

Kunaak's point is worth repeating, however...if you plan on running 4-3-3 at over a DDR1000, does it really matter whether the ram is rated (or for that matter, actually runs) 3-2-2-8 or 3-3-2-8?

I understand that most of us would prefer the v1.2, as it has been proven, on average, to perform the best of the lot. I certainly hope that I receive v1.2, however unlikely that may be, but in the end, these are 5400ULs and probably still a great buy for $130. As has been posted before, even some v1.2s have been duds, so what is better, a poor set of "genuine v1.2" or a good set of v1.5?

Until these sticks are tested we're just speculating over nothing.

[trans am]

Yeah everyone stop until we see some results. Its really annoying.

[TiTON]

Hey folks.. I didn't have time to bench the ram last night. I had the 680i on the table, but figure to give the ram the full test i need to put it on my p5b.

So right now I got the p5b on the bench and loading a fresh Windows install.

Hopefully I will have some results in the next few hours.

What type of stability do you guys want to see for the initial runs? And don't be telling me 480hours of Orthos. Tommorrow is turkey day and then black friday.. so I will provide any initial results that can be obtained in a couple of hours.

For now my goal is 1mb and 32mb spi for initial. Anything differnet, let me know.

SAD

[afireinside]

Sounds good SAD Just want to see max speed 4-3-2-1 you can get through single 32m and 3dmark.

[TiTON]

Sounds good SAD Just want to see max speed 4-3-2-1 you can get through single 32m and 3dmark.

AFI - you want to see my max speed with the timing at 4-3-2-1? Or is that differnet at CAS 4,3,2,1?

sAD

[The Nemesis]

SuAsDU,

Do you have a Memtestv1.65 bootable cd? If so, set your memory to 4-3-2-X DDR2-1000 2.4vdmm, boot from cd, press c, 3, 5,enter,0. This will run block moves on you memory. It will take about 45 sec to complete one pass with 1 GB kit. If the memory can't handle the timings @ that speed it will error immediately or @ 98-99% completion of test. If it errors, hit ESC, raise vdmmm and retry. After you get about 10-20 successful passes without error, then you should be good for starters but not necessarily stable. I found that my ram could run 1mb - 32mb Pi @ extreme speeds, but couldn't complete 5 passes of memtest without errors or orthos blend. If the sticks are good they will pass 4-8 hours of memtest @ 4-3-2-X 2.4-2.5v. It took 2.5v for my 8000UL's they had a few errors on one pass though.

[afireinside]

AFI - you want to see my max speed with the timing at 4-3-2-1? Or is that differnet at CAS 4,3,2,1?

sAD

Timings 4-3-2-1 so cas 4 trcd 3 trp 2 tras 1

[Kunaak]

for anyone curious...

I tested my 5400UL's in my 680i last night, and the results are well, unpredictable in many unforseen ways... some good, some not so good.

heres the break down.
same ram, used for 2 different boards over the last few months.

P5B Deluxe, tops out at cas 4-3-2-8 at 1080 mhz, cas 4-3-3 to about 1.1 ghz, then can clockgen it up to 1140 before it crashes.
for the P5B Deluxe, theres no benifit from going to cas 4-4-4... the ram OC's exactly the same, and has the same exact wall, and requires the exact same voltage.... zero benifit from cas 4-4-4 in my case.

same ram... on my Asus 680i...
tops out at just under 1 ghz, no matter what latency I use.
so the top is lower then I expected...

BUT

on the 680i, it seems to be really really easy for me to run cas 3-2-2-8-1T at 775mhz, and almost 800 mhz .

which I dont know about you, but I found that really fun to try, finally seeing true tight latencies on a Intel CPU at 1T is new for me.

running cas 4-3-2 isnt as stable on this board for some reason too when at 1T. running cas 4-3-3 takes less voltage and is easier to do up to 900 mhz at 1T.

2T gained me nothing.... nada... zilch.... nothing.

point being, I have tested 5 different sets of ram on the 680i so far.
not one set of ram did what I expected it to do.
some do incredibly well, some do worse, others (like my 5400UL here) have a lower OC limit... but are able to run much tighter latencies then I ever had achieved on the P5B Deluxe.

oh yeah, cas 2-2-2-5-1T, at 500 mhz, is easy too.
now, noooooooooo one can say DDR2 is slower then DDR1, cause with the 680i boards, you can do exactly the same thing as DDR1 can do, cas 2 and 1T.

sooooooo....

if your expecting specific results, and the info your going by, is from users with 975 or 965 boards, and are trying this on a 680i board, dont be at all surprised if your results are not what you thought they would be.
they are very different on this board.

now I am curious to see if this ram can run cas 1 or ras to cas 1 or TRP 1....
I mean.... if it can do cas 2-2-2, why not try cas 1... its there to try

[[XC] DragonOrta]

Even though I'm now shying away from them, until they are tested to see how they perform or someone removes the heat spreaders and reveals they have D9DQT or D9DQW, everything is still premature.

I have no idea why you seem to have it stuck in your head that it won't have these chips in it. 5400ul v1.5 will have d9 fatbody in it, no matter what.

[The Nemesis]

I have no idea why you seem to have it stuck in your head that it won't have these chips in it. 5400ul v1.5 will have d9 fatbody in it, no matter what.

Really? when you say "fat body" do you mean the D9DQT or D9DQW chips or do you mean any D9. If the v1.5 will have either of those chips on them I'll buy 'em now. I don't care what other's results are specifically, I just want sticks with the D9DQT's or D9DQW's like my 8000UL's. I can mix em then or reprogram the spd's so they all match. D9DQT or D9DQW chips will do ddr2-1000 4-3-2-X peroiod. The only difference I've seen is some kits need more volts than others.

If you are certain they will have D9DQT or D9DQW LMK so I can buy 'em.