AMD 4x4-platform based on Socket 1207 / AMD roadmap ?

[nn_step]

yea nn step i wa wondering about that too what with the recent info beiing speculated at diff news sites across the web. what of this am2+ stuff etc. gos hi guess lots of thigns will be revealed come nov/dec

Ironically that is the eta for 4x4

[uOpt]

I'm just going to throw this idea out to see if anyone might view this idea as reasonable.
AM2+ supports HTT 3.0 and the ability to split HTT lanes. Only a 8bit coherent HTT link is needed for 4x4
Thus AM2+ boards could support 4x4 and it is waiting for that change before such a setup happens. Just a thought.

I don't think that the lack of a coherent HTT has anything to do with the decision (if there was one) to drop 2+2 on AM2/unbuffered.

Really, the three hyperlinks are on the AMD64 die and they get coded to be coherent or not (I/O) based on what market the processor is selected for.

It is highly unlikely that random yield problems are the limit for the number of coherent hyperlinks on a given CPU.

Or in other words: if AMD wants to give AM2 CPUs a coherent hyperlink there is is nothing keeping them from doing so.

[nn_step]

I don't think that the lack of a coherent HTT has anything to do with the decision (if there was one) to drop 2+2 on AM2/unbuffered.

Really, the three hyperlinks are on the AMD64 die and they get coded to be coherent or not (I/O) based on what market the processor is selected for.

It is highly unlikely that random yield problems are the limit for the number of coherent hyperlinks on a given CPU.

Or in other words: if AMD wants to give AM2 CPUs a coherent hyperlink there is is nothing keeping them from doing so.

umm I believe we have already covered this.
ALL AM2 cpus DO have a coherent Hypertransport link
The main debate was if they had two like 2P setups and their associated processors

[uOpt]

I don't know whether you guys spotted that:
http://badhardware.blogspot.com/2006...y-rainier.html



So, that FX is Socket F. Not some new socket happening to have 1207 pins, and not AM2. So it's straight server platform, and registered RAM.

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somehow I question a technical site that has the phrase "* Mel Gibson * for President !"

[Poodle]

somehow I question a technical site that has the phrase "* Mel Gibson * for President !"

Will the Antares X2s have L3 as well? Well good stuff...

[informal]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34918

Two FX-70 CPU pack matches pricing, clocks of Core 2 QC6700

By Theo Valich: Saturday 07 October 2006, 07:09
WITH THE IMMINENT launch of Core 2 QC6700 (codename: Kentsfield), AMD will respond by introducing the QuadFather platform, marketing dubbed the 4x4. The platform consists of Opteron workstation motherboards using Socket 1207 and equipped with two PCIe x16 slots for graphics cards and retail packaged CPUs.

We have learned that not many motherboard vendors will support the platform, so it is up to the highest-end manufacturers such as Tyan, SuperMicro, or Iwill to offer 4x4 motherboards. This will hardly differ from current 1207-pin-socketed Opteron motherboards. At the same time, it seems that AMD will finally remove the need for Registered ECC memory for Athlons, but another source is countering this info with the claim that FX-70 series will be nothing more but the Opterons and that the processors will require usage of Registered DIMM memory.

The retail boxes are coming in a bit larger size than current packaging and feature an open look at two CPUs, but for the first time, AMD will be launching not one, but three FX CPU packages. All of the CPUs will feature 256KB of L1 and 2MB of L2 cache memory (each core has 64+64KB L1 and 1MB L2 cache), and be placed in three speed grades.

FX-70 CPUs will be clocked at 2.6 GHz, with the price of $999 for a dual-processor retail box.

FX-72 will be clocked at 2.8 GHz, and with the price of $1132, it presents an interesting choice, since it outclocks Kentsfield.

FX-74 is clocked at 3.0 GHz and finally breaks the 3 GHz clock barrier for desktop and dual-core CPUs in general. However, the price is currently planned at sky-high $1500, so who ever spends that amount of money in the year of K8L (Barcelona) arrival, it should better have another $1,500 in the bank - for quad-core Barcelona babies, of course.

All in all, it seems that there isn't much sense for AMD to release QuadFather platform in Q4'06, but this was probably directed by marketing, which needs strong answer to Kentsfield. However AMD, are you guys too little, too late when it comes to enthusiasts, which you kept with your doors shut while everything was la-la in Opteron land? µ

[[XC] Teroedni]

somehow I question a technical site that has the phrase "* Mel Gibson * for President !"

what?
You mean you have more confidence in Bush


I can see one good thing about 4x4 being socket 1207
NUMA

[uOpt]

Only dual CPU packages?

What if you damage one chip while putting it in?

That's the stupidist thing I heard today.

Prices are good, though. $1500 for two 3.0 dual-cores would be interesting - right now.

[el rolio]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35334

snippet:

Here is the answer to a big question which has bothered many of our readers. Although 4x4 uses the Opteron processor socket "F", it will not use registered ECC memory. Athlon 64 FX-70/72/74 will ask for regular DDR2 memory modules, with Corsair, Geil and OCZ offering blazingly fast memory for the system. Corsair will get some preference in reviews due to the fact that it sports the so-called "Enhanced Performance Profile", also known as SLI Memory. This was co-developed by Corsair and Nvidia. However, there are now over five different memory manufacturers offering a combined total of 17 different memory kits.

[uOpt]

So they actually made a whole new platform.

New CPUs, new chipsets and new motherboards, none of them are compatible with either AM2 or Socket F. At all. And CPUs sold in pairs so if you blow one up then what?

That's insane. I'm lucky I didn't buy their stock when I wanted to.

[Lightman]

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35333

he launch line up was revealed here, but the pricing has been "re-constructed" severely downwards, with the fastest CPU pack now matching the price of Intel's Kentsfield.

So I'm expecting pair of FX-74 for under $1000USD
Wonder what prices will be on FX-70 and FX-72 CPU's.

Good for us

[Lightman]

So they actually made a whole new platform.

New CPUs, new chipsets and new motherboards, none of them are compatible with either AM2 or Socket F. At all. And CPUs sold in pairs so if you blow one up then what?

That's insane. I'm lucky I didn't buy their stock when I wanted to.

It's still S1207 and updated NF590 x2, so may by some bright person will manage to 'mod' Opteron and fit it in 4x4 mobo. Everything is possible. Remember Athlon XP was moddable to Athlon MP only connecting one bridge on CPU. I know that this time it will be much more complicated, but who knows??

[The Ghost]

it seems like amd and intel are releasing their new cpu's on november 14

that should be a interesting day

[perkam]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35334

snippet:

SLI memory can go lick a fire hydrant.

I don't see what the excitement is over 4x4. It's basically a socket f server comp without the glory of having to say you have a dual socket server comp. It's the biggest obstacle to anyone getting one.

You buy a socket f server and you take to WCG forums and they'll start ing all over the place....4x4 will "meh"ify the dp consumer market...I see no good coming out of this. The cheaper ram is a good touch but will leave no resale value to the comp as most demand for it is with ECC ram.

It's basically you go to a computing event and go to Tyan's exhibit and say

You: "Dude i got 4x4"
Tyan rep: "Yea...you got crippled dual processor server that will be obsolete when AMD K8L Launches"

:p

Perkam

[Turtle 1]

it seems like amd and intel are releasing their new cpu's on november 14

that should be a interesting day

I think you better check when Intel is releasing Kentsfield. AS for 4x4 it looks very interesting!

[The Ghost]

It's basically you go to a computing event and go to Tyan's exhibit and say

You: "Dude i got 4x4"
Tyan rep: "Yea...you got crippled dual processor server that will be obsolete when AMD K8L Launches"

Perkam

i thought that amd has said that they would make a x4 cpu to drop in the 4x4 ? maybe this won't be out dated so fast

this could be interesting

i did wish that amd would have made the 4x4 on the am2 socket

[The Ghost]

I think you better check when Intel is releasing Kentsfield.
AS for 4x4 it looks very interesting!

i didn't make this up


http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35346
INTEL decided to paper launch its upcoming CPU, but the space between launch and availability isn't that long.

The company told the world+dog that reviews of Intel Core 2 Extreme Quad Core Processor QX6700 will hit the wires on November 2nd 6AM time in continental Europe. This long name is the official one that Intel picked for this dual core baby.

These CPUs will be available on the November 14th and this includes retail and etail for systems based on it.

The Xeon 5300 reviews should arrive on November the 14th UK time and available that day too.

[Turtle 1]

i didn't make this up


http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35346
INTEL decided to paper launch its upcoming CPU, but the space between launch and availability isn't that long.

The company told the world+dog that reviews of Intel Core 2 Extreme Quad Core Processor QX6700 will hit the wires on November 2nd 6AM time in continental Europe. This long name is the official one that Intel picked for this dual core baby.

These CPUs will be available on the November 14th and this includes retail and etail for systems based on it.

The Xeon 5300 reviews should arrive on November the 14th UK time and available that day too.

Short ans, is nov 2. release. Forget the double talk. People in these forums have already tested these cpu's. But the Nov 14 release of 4x4 will be an interesting day of reviews. I personally don't care how it turns out. Trueth is I hope 4x4 owns Kentsfield. Intel needs a kick in the pants.
I personnally am moving away from the desktop cpu & m/b 's . My last build well probably be a 2 socket [B]TIGERTON using FBdimms . So it won't be a true gaming machine.

My son is waiting to see the 4x4 results and K8L . If its as good as many believe thats what he wants me to build for him . So I will.

[ozzimark]

New CPUs, new chipsets and new motherboards, none of them are compatible with either AM2 or Socket F.

hm? it IS socket F

and just curious, when was the last time you actually killed a cpu?

[VulgarHandle]

I don't see what the excitement is over 4x4.

FX74 for $1000 or less(that's for both 3.0ghz dual-core cpu's)
cheaper unbuffered ram

as opposed to $1600 for 2 Opteron 2218(dual-core at only 2.6ghz)
more expensive registered ram

not to mention overclocking and 4 pci express slots....

and later upgrade to dual quad-cores, then later upgrade the mobo and get ddr3

[nn_step]

FX74 for $1000 or less(that's for both 3.0ghz dual-core cpu's)
cheaper unbuffered ram

as opposed to $1600 for 2 Opteron 2218(dual-core at only 2.6ghz)
more expensive registered ram

not to mention overclocking and 4 pci express slots....

and later upgrade to dual quad-cores, then later upgrade the mobo and get ddr3

you forgot that some registered DDR2 is cheaper than most unbuffered DDR2

[VulgarHandle]

true, but do you really need the fastest ram possible when dealing with 4gigs?

or, 4 512kb sticks for 2 gigs of faster, and still not gouge yourself

EDIT: i do have 1 question, since the CPU's carry the 'FX' moniker, will they be unlocked?

[perkam]

true, but do you really need the fastest ram possible when dealing with 4gigs?

or, 4 512kb sticks for 2 gigs of faster, and still not gouge yourself

EDIT: i do have 1 question, since the CPU's carry the 'FX' moniker, will they be unlocked?

You can learn a lot about servers JUST by going through Dell's AMD server configs.

Due to individual IMCs on each proc on a dp server, 4x512mb will be more beneficial than 2x1gb for dp setups. (Basically 2x512mb dual channel for each proc).

Perkam

[Turtle 1]

FX74 for $1000 or less(that's for both 3.0ghz dual-core cpu's)
cheaper unbuffered ram

as opposed to $1600 for 2 Opteron 2218(dual-core at only 2.6ghz)
more expensive registered ram

not to mention overclocking and 4 pci express slots....

and later upgrade to dual quad-cores, then later upgrade the mobo and get ddr3

Hay thats great news . 2 x 3.ghz FX 74 cpu's for $1000 or less thats wonderful . I thought 2 of these were like $1500. The M/B I suppose you guys would say they cost like what. $150 . Thats sounds cheap enough.
4 pci-e slots for quad slew. Buy the NV G80 . 4x650= $2600 A bargain by anyone's standard.
Of course Vista $400 and 4x 1g ram = $500. In a system like this a 1000 watt PC power and cooling = $400. Top of the line sound card in a system like this is a must have $300. AT least 4 raptors anything less would be stupid for a system like this= $1400. I would imagine a bigger case is a must have= $150. If you run quad sli . Water is a must have or this will sound like a jet. = Min. $500. So lets see what we have for Cost of this in the maxed out version.
2x3.ghz FX74's $1000 ???????? price check.

M/B $150 ????????? price check

4x G80's $2600

Vista $400 a must have for DX10


Sound card $300 With a system like this a must have.

4X raptors $1400 Same as above.

Larger case $150

Watercooling $500 min. Must have or noise be a huge problem

PS $ 400 maybe use 2 ps.

total $6900

This is actually cheap for a system like this, Than of course there is the hidden cost savings. In the winter time forget about heating your PC room this baby will heat your house.

Power draw at the wall socket only 1200 watts adds to cost.

So there you have it the ultimate Gaming pc.