Intel's Response For Q3 '07: Yorkfield

[thunderstruck!]

This is defently not the reason i 'hate' intel. I wont bring up how they crushed my way of life back in 1999-2000.

Intel is responsible for your hardship 6-7 years ago? Did you work for them? They hurt a family member? Come on, they make CPUs...

I personally think K8L will beat Yorkfield clock for clock hands down. HANDS down...

Your high hopes may be crushed (no pun intended) or they may not. There havn't been any results from either chip, how can you make that conclusion?

[accord99]

It depends on the link http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/low_e/5.shtml

Only the undervolted and slower EEs have lower power consumption. On the other hand, the E6700 barely uses half the power of the slower FX-62.

I don't see MT, but ML (TDP 35W).

The ML is a misprint, it's voltage is 1.22v which is indicative of a MT and it matches the power consumption of a MT in an earlier review:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article300-page6.html

[Absolute_0]

We could argue all day

But let's consider instead the overclocking of these chips. 3.73 Ghz stock clocks and 45nm manufacturing process? What's that mean, 4.5 Ghz on air!?!

[theteamaqua]

i aint rooting for no one. who ever makes faster chip is what matters. that includes after OCed ...

intel does have a bad habbit of releasing ES chips OC higher than what retail can do ... E6600 ES 4GHz , E6700 4.1GHz on air anyone? i havent seen E6700 4.1GHz on air, also my crappy E6400 L624A264 wont do anything higher than 425fsb. 421fsb good for 24/7 .
PcCI2iminal agrees with me right here: (on E6400 L624A264 425fsb wall)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=121

so if yorksfield ES can do 4.5GHz, im subtreacting 300MHz from that. Thats 4.2GHz with retail.

Now for AMD, AMD's 90nm doesnt OC very well, X3800 > 2.8GHz on air , thats it. also it is a memory latency whore. i hope they fix that in K8L , but they prolly wont, though. If K8L cant beat yorksfield clock for clock, i prolly wont buy their product for at least 2 years .... since intel's true quadcore is com'n 2008....

DDR3 will prolyl be out by then, i hope they dont jack up the price much, both mobo/cpu maker.

i am very excited about intel's 45nm, the jump from 90 to 65nm was pretty nice. pentium d 930 4GHz stcok vcore . i do think that yorksfield has 4.5GHz potential.

[kemo]

Come on guys why all that flame there is ain?t enough information about k8l and yorkfield so why keep arguing
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[PetNorth]

Only the undervolted and slower EEs have lower power consumption. On the other hand, the E6700 barely uses half the power of the slower FX-62.


The ML is a misprint, it's voltage is 1.22v which is indicative of a MT and it matches the power consumption of a MT in an earlier review:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article300-page6.html

Remember these measurements are with Conroe B1 stepping, and you know what hapened with B1 and load... I'd like to see power measurements with the retail parts (B2)...

[coldpower27]

This is going to be interesting if correct, this is likely 2 Ridgefield Cores in MCM on the 45nm process which is going to be pretty efficient for production.

Though 45nm process by Q3 2007 would be damn amazing.

[Turtle 1]

I am a little confused. Me and wife just got back from 2 weeks in Hawaii so I am trying to catch up. I read an article before I left that said the Yorkfield would be 2 seperate dies as is kentsfield . But all the cache would be shared on both dies.

Since this info comes from VR zone . Which is less reliable than the inquirer I think we need more info.

I am still looking for the link but here's some interesting reading.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...002041328.html

From above link . Native quad core in 2007

Intel was originally expected to launch dual-core Wolfdale (for desktops) and dual-core Penryn (for laptops) processors made using 45nm process technology in 2008, according to earlier information. However, considering the recent progress with 65nm product shipments and ongoing progress with 45nm development, the company seemingly speeds up its roadmap. In addition to 45nm dual-core chips in 2007, there are rumours about single-die quad-core chip made using 45nm process technology in the Q3 2007.


http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?...dichardware.se

http://www.firingsquad.com/news/news...searchid=12475

Now if you look at VRzones report it says 50 new sse4 instructions . If you read more reliable sources you will see that the (penryn wolfdale cpu's will only recieve 30 new instructions and the latter nehalem will use 50 instuctions from sse4 .

So what most are saying is 12mb. of shared cache= 3mb per core or 1 core can use all 12 mb of cache. Also most reports are saying that yorksfield will be a native 4core cpu. Wolfdale will be the dual core model clocked at 4ghz with 6mb of shared cache.
You add in the 30 sse4 instructions aong with the high k gates (metal ) and the higher clocked speeds the wolfdale should be 75% faster than Conroe.

Isn't it amazing . The big question is who is out of the gate first. Wolfdale/ yorksfield or K8L(K9). My guess is the the K9 doggy will be first but will be no match for the Wolf/ yorksfield.

Intel is really turning on the heat. In 2008 we get nehalem . Man I don't want to ever piss Intel off.

[kemo]

I am a little confused. Me and wife just got back from 2 weeks in Hawaii so I am trying to catch up. I read an article before I left that said the Penryn would be 2 seperate dies as is kentsfield . But all the cache would be shared on both dies.

Since this info comes from VR zone . Which is less reliable than the inquirer I think we need more info.

I am still looking for the link but here's some interesting reading.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...002041328.html

From above link . Native quad core in 2007

Intel was originally expected to launch dual-core Wolfdale (for desktops) and dual-core Penryn (for laptops) processors made using 45nm process technology in 2008, according to earlier information. However, considering the recent progress with 65nm product shipments and ongoing progress with 45nm development, the company seemingly speeds up its roadmap. In addition to 45nm dual-core chips in 2007, there are rumours about single-die quad-core chip made using 45nm process technology in the Q3 2007.


http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?...dichardware.se

http://www.firingsquad.com/news/news...searchid=12475

Now if you look at VRzones report it says 50 new sse4 instructions . If you read more reliable sources you will see that the (penryn wolfdale cpu's will only recieve 30 new instructions and the latter nehalem will use 50 instuctions from sse4 .

So what most are saying is 12mb. of shared cache= 3mb per core or 1 core can use all 12 mb of cache. Also most reports are saying that yorksfield will be a native 4core cpu. Wolfdale will be the dual core model clocked at 4ghz with 6mb of shared cache.
You add in the 30 sse4 instructions aong with the high k gates (metal ) and the higher clocked speeds the wolfdale should be 75% faster than Conroe.

Isn't it amazing . The big question is who is out of the gate first. Wolfdale/ yorksfield or K8L(K9). My guess is the the K9 doggy will be first but will be no match for the Wolf/ yorksfield.

Intel is really turning on the heat. In 2008 we get nehalem . Man I don't want to ever piss Intel off.

The bad thing is that there is nothing clear these days everything is just reports with no confirmation or reliable source
for example wolfdale in some reports they say it should replace Conroe with 6mb of cache others say to replace allendle with 3 Mb also others said penyrn is replacement of Conroe
but old reports said something called ?Ridgefield? should replace Conroe with the 6 Mb
any way yorkfield they said it is hybrid quad core which means two quad cores in one package and each quad shares 6 Mb of cache now the are saying quad core with 2 X 6mb of cache so nothing for sure till intel says so

Any way cpu manufacturing is getting very exciting these years and every thing is great for consumers
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[camouflage]

2x6MB L2 cache.........

This chip will do 10 sec SP1M even You removed the RAM before.....

[oldblue]

The bad thing is that there is nothing clear these days everything is just reports with no confirmation or reliable source

I agree. Has anyone sorted out what information we have for Yorkfield officially from Intel (e.g. from IDF), and what is just floating about on the rumor sites? I find the former information is generally much more reliable than the latter.

[nn_step]

You add in the 30 sse4 instructions aong with the high k gates (metal ) and the higher clocked speeds the wolfdale should be 75% faster than Conroe.

Isn't it amazing . The big question is who is out of the gate first. Wolfdale/ yorksfield or K8L(K9). My guess is the the K9 doggy will be first but will be no match for the Wolf/ yorksfield.

Intel is really turning on the heat. In 2008 we get nehalem . Man I don't want to ever piss Intel off.

well it better be 75% faster, it is twice the cores
But since no one has specifically said what it is 75% faster in, one can only assume multi-threaded applications.
But if they mean single threaded applications they would have to switch from a 4 issue to an 8 issue processor and that would be one hell of a feat

[Turtle 1]

well it better be 75% faster, it is twice the cores
But since no one has specifically said what it is 75% faster in, one can only assume multi-threaded applications.
But if they mean single threaded applications they would have to switch from a 4 issue to an 8 issue processor and that would be one hell of a feat

No ! Actually I was referring to the 2core wolfdale.

It been stated it will be a 4 ghz. part. and it will also be a 45nm high K (metal gates process) With the higher Clock and the high k gates running at 20%+ switching speed . Its rather easy to to get a 75% increase in performance. What isn't known yet is if the new 45nm parts will also take the Tigerton point to point from each core to the NB. If it does look for a 100% increase in performance. All this while having 5x less leakage.

For Intel to go from 4 issue to 8 issue processor wouldn't be as hard as you think. THink Itanium. But thats not whats going to happen . Maybe nehalem will go to a 6 issue core .

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/09...ies_yorkfield/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12..._45nm_roadmap/

[Turtle 1]

i aint rooting for no one. who ever makes faster chip is what matters. that includes after OCed ...

intel does have a bad habbit of releasing ES chips OC higher than what retail can do ... E6600 ES 4GHz , E6700 4.1GHz on air anyone? i havent seen E6700 4.1GHz on air, also my crappy E6400 L624A264 wont do anything higher than 425fsb. 421fsb good for 24/7 .
PcCI2iminal agrees with me right here: (on E6400 L624A264 425fsb wall)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=121

so if yorksfield ES can do 4.5GHz, im subtreacting 300MHz from that. Thats 4.2GHz with retail.

Now for AMD, AMD's 90nm doesnt OC very well, X3800 > 2.8GHz on air , thats it. also it is a memory latency whore. i hope they fix that in K8L , but they prolly wont, though. If K8L cant beat yorksfield clock for clock, i prolly wont buy their product for at least 2 years .... since intel's true quadcore is com'n 2008....

DDR3 will prolyl be out by then, i hope they dont jack up the price much, both mobo/cpu maker.

i am very excited about intel's 45nm, the jump from 90 to 65nm was pretty nice. pentium d 930 4GHz stcok vcore . i do think that yorksfield has 4.5GHz potential.

Have you ever considered the guys that are getting those ES cpu's before anyone else can dream to have one . Are guys that are really really sharp when it comes to hardware. The guys that were showing off those es c2d chips here are really quit good , I go so far as to say they are out standing.

[Turtle 1]

the same could have been said about K8 and Conroe about 6 months ago
To claim one company's product is better than another's future product is a blatant flame bait and complete fanboyism.

It was said 100's of times go back and check the Threads .

[theteamaqua]

Have you ever considered the guys that are getting those ES cpu's before anyone else can dream to have one . Are guys that are really really sharp when it comes to hardware. The guys that were showing off those es c2d chips here are really quit good , I go so far as to say they are out standing.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=121

.... read it

and i do believe that PcCI2iminal is a good OCer. and yet he got the same fsb wall as me, so it must be the CPU's problem

[Turtle 1]

Ya I looked at it. You know I kinda gotta leave this alone. 3.4 ghz. from a 2.13 ghz $300 chip. That is what 45% faster than an FX 62. That cost $700 . Do all X2 3800 hit 2.8ghz. All chips are not equal. I thinK 3.4 ghz is great as long as its stable.

I remember befor the es chips showed up over at [H] we were discussing this and everyone agreeded that if these chips did 3.2 how great they would be. I of course being a Intel fanboy was saying I exspected 3.6 Ghz from a 6800. . I went so far as to say maybe 4 Ghz on water.

Well you gotta to know the the AMD fan-boys had a field day with that. Even some Intel fanboys said I had gone to far. Be happy with your 3.4 ghz performance monster.

My wife has a c2d 6800 @ 3.8.5 ghz useing corsair 5400 ul running 1:1 @ 350 fsb with 3-2-2-8 timings. She hasn't tried to go any further with it. I got to play online gaming with it earlier tonight. God its sweet no doubts about it. When I got done playing . I shout it done to enter the bios to see what it would do. . Dam she has it password locked. After 33 years of marriage she knows me to well.

I don't know if PcC12iminal is a good O/Cer or not. I can say and I have no desire to offend him or you but his desk top is sloppy.

[ochw]

yorkfeid is looking well nice

[gn0s1s]

I don't know if PcC12iminal is a good O/Cer or not. I can say and I have no desire to offend him or you but his desk top is sloppy.

LOL Saving Screens to desktop is sloppy?

[Turtle 1]

Ya . I guess if you want to do a simple one click its ok but For me a couple more clicks and a few seconds is nice.

[osiris999]

everything is saved to my desktop

[doompc]

K8L might be at least as fast as Conroe, clock by clock, maybe even faster than Wolfdale, thanks to it's massive FPUs, single cicle SSE and the integrated memory controller.
But we don't know how power hangry is it, nor it's overclocking potencial.

AMD will demo K8L Opteron in december, also will release 65nm K8 then.
So will have a preview of AMD's 65nm process power/clocking capabilities (but it will be like Winchester over Newcastle).

Question is, AMD will release native quad-core in soon 2007 (server, desktop in Q2/Q3) and Intel won't do it til 2008, gotta sell these dual-die-fsb-shared-crap til then...
Multiple K8L Opteron with HTT3.0 will rule server market til 2008/9 when Intel goes CSI + integrated memory controller.

But I think Wolfdale will remain desktop #1 even when Antares (K8L dual core with L3 cache) apear.
Intel's 45nm process might clock really well (4GHz+ on air), 65nm K8L won't be able to keep up.

My 2 cents.
Sorry my bad english...