Its gonna suck... Kind of

**comrad** · 07-20-2006, 08:28 PM

Once Conroe releases... Everyone will have Conroe, I know many many AMD users will be switching to Intel, and everyone will be getting conroe. Everybody is gonna have it... EVERYBODY!!! Its not gonna be Intel vs Amd, its gonna be Conroe vs Conroe... Hmmm, AMD better get something out fast or its gonna get boring quick...

**Direwolf** · 07-20-2006, 08:30 PM

I wont be bored when I get mine

**rick_fx** · 07-20-2006, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by comrad

Once Conroe releases... Everyone will have Conroe, I know many many AMD users will be switching to Intel, and everyone will be getting conroe. Everybody is gonna have it... EVERYBODY!!! Its not gonna be Intel vs Amd, its gonna be Conroe vs Conroe... Hmmm, AMD better get something out fast or its gonna get boring quick...

I'm quite sure this belongs in the "Chat" section

**comrad** · 07-20-2006, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by rick_fx

I'm quite sure this belongs in the "Chat" section

Yes, it does. Can a mod move this please?

**nn_step** · 07-20-2006, 08:33 PM

Why does everyone keep saying that AMD is going to be pwned by Conroe?
Have they no understanding of what is going to happen?

**lv_dicedealer** · 07-20-2006, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by nn_step

Why does everyone keep saying that AMD is going to be pwned by Conroe?
Have they no understanding of what is going to happen?

Lemmings.... Look, there, it's a cliff... Just one more step... Wheeeeeeeee!

**[TAG]Imp** · 07-20-2006, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by nn_step

Why does everyone keep saying that AMD is going to be pwned by Conroe?
Have they no understanding of what is going to happen?

uh, because they will, at LEAST, VERY LEAST, until Q1 2007.

**stone_cold_Jimi** · 07-20-2006, 09:37 PM

The ES hype had me believing that AMD were going to be KO'd in round 1. The retail experience so far has me believing that there's still an Intel = heat equation and Intel are going to take a few rounds with performance, but AMD will get up off the canvas and land a few blows. We could be looking at a slugfest here, which is all good for us, the consumers.

Ding ding! Seconds out.

**n00b 0f l337** · 07-20-2006, 09:40 PM

Until amd can pull a dual core to 4ghz on air, and not have to develop dual cpu technologies, I think intel is going to run with round' with the kinds crown.

**Gun_Strife** · 07-20-2006, 09:43 PM

well there are quite a few people that are sticking with amd
and awaiting the price cuts dont really know why maybe am2 cpu and mobo will be had for cheaper than e6300 plus mobo, I mean its at least $250 for a mobo that does cf and dont think we know about sli boards yet
you should be able to get a kick ass am2 combo for cheap
not that its gonna kick core 2 duo's ass but a great sytem none the less, amd will get a spankin this time around and who knows maybe next time too, but i will not say they're out definitley down though, remember we need competition in order for huge leaps in products with great prices like this
ams just milked ther spot on top with no real preformance increase

**Jupiler** · 07-20-2006, 10:16 PM

Moved it to Computer Related Open Discussion.

**Fred_Pohl** · 07-20-2006, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by nn_step

Why does everyone keep saying that AMD is going to be pwned by Conroe?
Have they no understanding of what is going to happen?

Errr... that's exactly why they're saying it, dude. Because they do know what is going to happen. AMD is totally pwnt for at least a year. We're back to the K6-2 vs P3 days. Next up will be Kentsfield, then AMD's 65nm shrink, followed by K8L and then Intel's 45nm shrink and so on and so on...

I hope you didn't buy into the 80% faster 2x2, 50% faster RHTT or Brisbane = K8L hype and rumors. You'll be sadly disappointed if you did.

**WeStSiDePLaYa** · 07-20-2006, 10:40 PM

too bad everyone is all expecting retail conroes to perform like ES conroes. yet everytime you hear of retail conroe clocking its much lower than ES chips, and the heat issues seem to be worse.

its a good chip dont get me wrong, its just not where everyone thinks it is. which is good and bad for intel, since everyone will buy up retail conroes, but then they will be pissed when they cant clock them like the ES chips.

**n00b 0f l337** · 07-20-2006, 10:57 PM

Thats only a matter of stepping it seems, not more of a binning higher for ES and reviews. I think the next stepping will probably be better.

You also gotta say its leveling out the playing field. You no longer need an AMD without a cold bug, and ln2 seems to get oyu only 400-500mhz more than phase!

**WeStSiDePLaYa** · 07-20-2006, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337

Thats only a matter of stepping it seems, not more of a binning higher for ES and reviews. I think the next stepping will probably be better.

You also gotta say its leveling out the playing field. You no longer need an AMD without a cold bug, and ln2 seems to get oyu only 400-500mhz more than phase!

i wouldnt count on it. intel has a very hard time getting its fabs to quickly intergrate new tweaks to its production.

intels overclocking in the past has been pretty consistent through each stepping .

**nn_step** · 07-21-2006, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl

Errr... that's exactly why they're saying it, dude. Because they do know what is going to happen. AMD is totally pwnt for at least a year. We're back to the K6-2 vs P3 days. Next up will be Kentsfield, then AMD's 65nm shrink, followed by K8L and then Intel's 45nm shrink and so on and so on...

I hope you didn't buy into the 80% faster 2x2, 50% faster RHTT or Brisbane = K8L hype and rumors. You'll be sadly disappointed if you did.

I don't buy bull

But please remember I do know things

**Movieman** · 07-21-2006, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by lv_dicedealer

Lemmings.... Look, there, it's a cliff... Just one more step... Wheeeeeeeee!

**[XC]melymel** · 07-21-2006, 01:13 AM

As said before to me it looks like it's back to the old K7 and P4 478 days where the P4 was better but the K7 was much cheaper and proved successfull because some of us just simply can't afford anything above the sempron/ celery range. I'm going to sit back and watch these next few weeks before buying and see what the C2D can do and see how low AMD can go

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**WeStSiDePLaYa** · 07-21-2006, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by melymel2789

As said before to me it looks like it's back to the old K7 and P4 478 days where the P4 was better but the K7 was much cheaper and proved successfull because some of us just simply can't afford anything above the sempron/ celery range. I'm going to sit back and watch these next few weeks before buying and see what the C2D can do and see how low AMD can go

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Ah yes. those were the days when i got my first rig. axp overclocking was so fun.

**Fred_Pohl** · 07-22-2006, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa

too bad everyone is all expecting retail conroes to perform like ES conroes. yet everytime you hear of retail conroe clocking its much lower than ES chips, and the heat issues seem to be worse.

its a good chip dont get me wrong, its just not where everyone thinks it is. which is good and bad for intel, since everyone will buy up retail conroes, but then they will be pissed when they cant clock them like the ES chips.

What's a typical air OC for a AMD dual core? 2.8-3.1GHz? It's not like you even have to OC Conroe to have a faster CPU. Any Conroe at 2.4-2.6GHz+ will match AMD's best. Anything more is just icing on the cake. I'll be happy if I can get 3.2GHz from a E6400. AMD won't match that for a year.

**Fred_Pohl** · 07-22-2006, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by nn_step

I don't buy bull

But please remember I do know things

I'm sure you do know lots of things but what could possibly make you think that Conroe won't pwn K8 for the next year? It can't be AMD's roadmaps with nothing but 2x2, low-clocked 65nm Brisbanes and Opteron K8Ls in 2007 and Athlon K8Ls in early 2008. Even if AMD can move dual core K8Ls forward to mid-2007 with their Opteron quad cores, that's still a year away and they will have to clock well over 3GHz to match Conroe and Kentsfield. At best, K8L might match C2D clock for clock. I don't see anything coming from AMD for at least 9 months that could possibly make them competitive with C2D.

**Bloody_Sorcerer** · 07-22-2006, 04:50 PM

given nn_step's track record with his knowings, i'm inclined to believe him this time 'round

fred: what makes you say that K8L will "at best might match C2D clock for clock"? do you know anything about it? there is absolutely nothing out there on the actual performance of K8L, so your speculation is just that, blind speculation. unless, of course, you work for AMD. then it might not be so blind...

**ex2cib** · 07-22-2006, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl

I'm sure you do know lots of things but what could possibly make you think that Conroe won't pwn K8 for the next year? It can't be AMD's roadmaps with nothing but 2x2, low-clocked 65nm Brisbanes and Opteron K8Ls in 2007 and Athlon K8Ls in early 2008. Even if AMD can move dual core K8Ls forward to mid-2007 with their Opteron quad cores, that's still a year away and they will have to clock well over 3GHz to match Conroe and Kentsfield. At best, K8L might match C2D clock for clock. I don't see anything coming from AMD for at least 9 months that could possibly make them competitive with C2D.

remember, it used to take a pentium 4 at extreme mhz to match a low clocked AMD chip

who says the same thing can't happen again.

and btw, since its bothering me tonight, please quit saying the words "pwn" and "pwned".... for some reason, i never give the person that says those words much credibility.

**Fred_Pohl** · 07-22-2006, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Bloody_Sorcerer

given nn_step's track record with his knowings, i'm inclined to believe him this time 'round

fred: what makes you say that K8L will "at best might match C2D clock for clock"? do you know anything about it? there is absolutely nothing out there on the actual performance of K8L, so your speculation is just that, blind speculation. unless, of course, you work for AMD. then it might not be so blind...

Didn't nn_step claim that AM2 would support DDR3 and offer a significant performance boost over S939? IIRC, he also said that Q1-07 Brisbanes would be based on the K8L architecture and that the Intel IDF C2D benchmarks were rigged.

I don't claim to have any inside info on the real world performance of K8Ls that most likely don't even exist in working silicon form yet, but from the info that's available today concerning what architectural improvements K8L will feature, there is no reason to expect K8L to surpass C2D, except possibly in FP performance. Time will tell. The first shipping K8Ls are only a 9-12 months away...

**Fred_Pohl** · 07-22-2006, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by ex2cib

remember, it used to take a pentium 4 at extreme mhz to match a low clocked AMD chip

who says the same thing can't happen again.

and btw, since its bothering me tonight, please quit saying the words "pwn" and "pwned".... for some reason, i never give the person that says those words much credibility.

That's a very simplistic view, dude.

Whatever you want to call it, C2D is still a quantum leap ahead of K8.

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