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    Liquid Metal Cooling review and IHS removal

    After a few rather unsuccessful water cooling threads, I realized that I would have to wait until at least my next system refresh before I'd be delving into water cooling (Probably around the release of AM2 or Conroe). Meanwhile, I still felt like popping the case and tweaking something.

    So I proceeded to scour the www looking for ideas. Besides discovering that I could remove the IHS (Integrated Heat Sink aka Shim) on my A64 (Socket 754), I had also heard rumors of thermodynamic defying feats of a particular Liquid Metal thermal compound out of Germany. And if I know anything about Germans, it’s their marvelous engineering finesse.

    After some further research I had come across some very impressive graphs, all of which plainly conveyed the conclusion that this stuff was far beyond what Arctic Silver 5 and Céramique could muster. I decided this was worth looking into and would tide me over for the next few months.

    I then tracked down a seller for a syringe of this mystery substance on eBay and ended up paying 7.80 Quid (GBP) ($14.80 USD) ($16.50 CND to me).
    While I was waiting for it to arrive from Germany, I thought I’d try my hand at removing the IHS on my CPU and lapping my stock CPU heat sink. As the chip was already out of warranty, I had no qualms in voiding anything, other than the functionality of the hardware.

    After following This Guide, bending a few bent pins back into place and 15 minutes with the dremel tool, I was left with an unmarked A64,



    And a rather heavy (30g) IHS, which up till now I’d thought was composed of aluminum.


    (Yes, this IS also a good opportunity to showcase my digicam)


    Once that nerve racking procedure was done with (Somehow, I was still a bit nervous) I moved on to lapping the heat sink, using wet (and water proof) 400, 1000 and 2000 grit sandpaper. After a half hour of sanding (mono dimensional) and polishing, I had a somewhat reflective base.



    I then proceeded to reassemble my system using the same Céramique I had always done.

    After running Super PI to 8 Million digits (which took just over 8 minutes) it turned out that all the preceding effort netted me ZERO improvement, not a single whole degree, I was still at 47 C on Load.

    In hind sight, I should have used CPUBurn or Toast. They say that IHS removal only improves temps on overclocked chips, and maybe there was a slight improvement but my onboard sensor wasn’t sensitive enough to pick up the difference as it would occur beyond the decimal. Either way, I did not achieve nearly the improvement that the author had.

    All I could do now was wait for the miracle German compound.
    It arrived the very next week, in a small paper envelope, along with the instruction leaflets and a shameless plug for the product I had just bought.

    Before I applied the thermal compound, I ran a few apps (with all the settings I could find set to max) to get some “Before” temps. I use Motherboard Monitor and ATI Tool to collect data and came up with the following results.



    Obviously, Hitmam Contracts stressed my system more than Super PI or Oblivion in both CPU and GPU temperature, and since temperature is directly related to power consumption, I would use Hitman 3 as the yardstick for my “After” results.

    It should also be noted that I am not using the stock cooler on my X800 Pro -> XT.



    I proceeded to read the provided instructions rather inattentively, as I’ve applied thermal paste on at least two dozen separate occasions, so I knew what I was doing and the best way to do it.

    The one thing that I did take from the instructions, and that the manufacturer had gone out of their way to note, was that this substance should NOT be applied on aluminum heat sinks, or any aluminum at all for that matter.

    Being overly curious by nature, I thought I would do just that and see what all the fuss was about. For this I used an old aluminum 486 heat sink that I had earlier cut into pieces and lapped, to attach onto the ram chips of my TNT2. I would apply one as just a drop to rest on the surface, and the second would be squeezed between two more heat sinks.

    After taking the tube out of its packaging I was presented with a syringe filled with what could be best described as mercury. Removing the cap reveals a regular skin piercing needle, very much like the ones doctors and addicts are accustomed to.



    And since this stuff is toxic, you would be well advised to take care when handling the syringe and store it somewhere your parents or little kids won’t find.

    I applied a small drop of the compound to my CPU and GPU, as those were the only copper heat sinks in my system.



    The compound handles just like molten solder and does not stick to metal with ease. This was somewhat of a concern as it would not spread very well when squeezed between the core and heat sink. Regardless, I reassemble the system (Leaving the case cover off), powered it up and fired up Hitman 3. After a half hour of senseless violence, I went back to check on my temps, which read as such:



    I could not believe this, it’s not the money that pissed me off, but the thought that I got conned.

    Once I had regained my composure, my trail of thought lead me to the source of the treachery. I went back to all the reviews I had browsed over, and realized that none of them were English. I couldn’t understand a word, but what I could decipher were all the pretty graphs. How could a no name company bribe 10 separate sites to place their product ahead of the rest, and not by a small margin either, were talking 8% ahead of Arctic Silver 5 in some scenarios.

    So I decided to look a little further over the reviews with the use of a translator and see what they did that I “did not do” to achieve their remarkable results, and a few interesting points caught my eye.



    They all enjoyed spreading their compound, the way you never should, in order to avoid air pockets once the heat sink comes down. Well, I thought I’d check the instructions to see if this is what Zee Germans had actually instructed.

    “Now spread out the "Coollaboratory Liquid Pro" evenly across the cooler's surface from center to the sides.”

    I was a bit confused as to why they’d instruct anyone to do something like that, but since that was the only glaring difference between my method and theirs, I figured I may as well pull a kamikaze and reapply it “their” way.

    So I open my case up and begin pull off the CPU heasink.




    What is interesting, is that even though 3/4 of the CPU core had no thermal compound, the core temp only rose 1 degree.
    My mistake was equally as glaring on the GPU.



    In my defense, it was an easy mistake to make… and the print on the instruction sheets was very small.

    Needless to say, I went on to clean up the mess and redo everything as instructed.





    After all was said and done, the following results were updated.




    As you can see the results are very convincing. The CPU temp dropped by 2 degrees and the GPU dropped by 6.
    Looking at the advancement of thermal compounds over the past few years, this could almost be called revolutionary.

    It’s just a matter of time before this becomes the new standard compound for enthusiasts, unless Arctic silver can counter with something as impressive.

    As for its main draw back, here is what happened to the aluminum heat sinks.

    Before:



    After:



    I don’t know what the thermal conductivity of the Black Crud is, but I bet its lousy.
    Here is a shot of the previously undamaged heat sink 30 minutes after applying the compound.



    This stuff seems to grow and crystallize as it reacts with the aluminum. Not something you want inside your computer.


    Here is the link to the Official Coollaboratory Liquid Pro Site


    And if anyone else here has/gets some of this stuff, if would be interesting to see your results.


    Hope you found this informative.


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    Surprised that it didn't get that much better results even after you reapplied the stuff. I'm sticking with AS5, for now. I thought liquid metal was supposed to have incredible effects?

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    That was an awesome read...!

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    that was great!
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    Nicely structured. Some data on clock speed and voltage of cpu and gpu would be helpfull to judge the improvement of thermal resistance between cooler and die.

    Anyway, the gains are in line what i found on low-moderately oced systems in my first look.

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    Nice review.

    Its not going inside my PC until it stops oxidizing the alu so aggressively - thats what that black dust is, alu oxide.
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    @fuzzy: Well, rtfm means something, doesn't it? If you just use the stuff the right way you'll always get good results afterwards.

    I'm using the stuff for like half a year now, temp drops were somewhere in the 3-4K area.

    @nano: Well, how much more impressive could a simple change of thermal goo be? Just consider how hard it would be to find one water block that's like 2-4K better than the other... if you already have a really good one.
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    Great first post and Welcome to XtremeSystems. And in the future, please try to keep it clean (langauge wise)

    While I dont take much stock in the results the CPU gave, it is very interesting to see such improvements in temps with the GPU. by any chance did you record your ambient temperatures throughout this? Without them the data is kinda uselss.

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    @MaxxxRacer: Was it just the fascist remark? Was there anything else I should have rephrased?

    I did record my ambient temps, but why would their omittance dismiss my results? I though comparing one high end compound to another at load would suffice to portray their performance. Could you (or anyone who would know) elaborate on why the Big Boys are so interested in ambient temps?

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    Fuzzy, there wasnt anything but the facist remarks in there. I went into the post and fixed what needed to be fixed so you dont have to worry.

    Ambient temps are critical because they are the basis for all your temps that you measured. Example: you have to setups that are exactly the same and one setup is in a room with a 40c ambient (pretty dang hot) and the other in a 25C room (average). You take the temperatures of the CPU's and the one in the 40C room has a much higher CPU temp compared to the CPU in the 25C room. If someone was looking at JUST the CPU temps and didnt know the ambient temps, they would think something is wrong with the computer in the 40C room because the temps were higher for apparently no reason. On the other hand if they knew the ambient temps then it would all make sense and there would be no confusion.

    I hope that makes sense.

    If you read my review on the HR-01 you will see how you sould present your temperature results.

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    nice review!

    i might try it sometime!
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    Very nice review,

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    I have always used AS, even now using AS5, but I am tempted to try the LM and see if I can get a decent temp drop, if anything for the GPU more then anything else. At least in theory running at a cooler temp with give longevity

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    good job there. very informative and nice pics!
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    Liquid metal coolaboratory=Gallinstan fluid it contains an mixture of gallium, iridium and tin, Conditions to be avoided: Heat generating reactions can be expected if the product comes into contact with
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    Substances to be avoided: Chlorine, bromine, metals, light metal alloys, aluminium (amalgam formation).
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    great information, thanks for sharing what you learned.

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    Nice review...i like those excel charts XD. I might try some later and maybe ill give away my artic silver 5 if i get good results.

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    welcome to xs fuzzy

    ambient temperatures are important to us because cooling (and the paste too) is all about deltas, not the values themselves. you see, something will warm up or cool down at a rate governed by heat generated and heat outputted. after we warm things up to a steady-state scenario, that temperature will be X degrees higher than ambient, where X is the thermal effeciency of the system (degc or degk/w) multiplied by the heat generated, plus the ambient temperature.* Ambient temperature therefore plays an important role in the final temperatures (linearly in the ranges we are talking about). It is necessary to know if your tests were performed in an environment which had the same ambient temperature, any differences will void all results. If we know the ambient temps, we can accomodate any differences by comparing the temprature deltas, which are what's important.


    *this is a close approximation, not excat because the thermal effeciency of a system is not constant, but depends on a variety of conditions, such as humidity, background winds, temperature ranges, dust accumulation, etc.

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