auto cascade design help

[iboomalot]

looking at doing a nice home setup

1. quiet
2. cold -50 loaded (160w load)
3. fit within a 13"W x 16"H x 24" D
4. work off 110v wall outlet
5. 1/2 hp to keep noise down but keep temps down too

overall case will be max 13"W x 26"H x 24" D



would like some suggestions and could this design be incorporated ??




Purposed Case idea

[godmod]

how many gases do you want to use?
you cold build a SS setup which could do the same temp @ same load!

anyways, i'm going to build an autocascade in the coming weeks and if it seems to work, i will use this design:

[iboomalot]

That -50 under load was a bare min. would really like -80 to -100 if possible.

Main reason for an autocascade was to keep temps as low as possible but have lower power draw by only using on med. size compressor.

Nice looking drawing too.


Trying to find out two things Who is capable of building a safe/daily autocascade and what design is the most effective in a small space.

[godmod]

the design i drew above is very compact. ill use a plate hx anyways which is XX times smaller than a coax hx...

[iboomalot]

I was thinking Flatplates would rock.

I was thinking of adding in a water cooling system for the mobo and video cards and utlizing one of the heatexchangers by attaching the water cooling line to the outside surface of the flatplate.

maybe take a small cooper tube and attach it so you get some heat transfer to the water and that should eliminate the need for a cooling fan and rad thus making the overall package quieter.


Was thinking 3-4 water lines attached to the flatplate. Attach one line test temps and then loop the liquid if you need a lower temp.

[godmod]

flatplate == plate hx
(your pic above is an AutoCAD drawing!!?)

edit: i love mspaint

[Suffocation]

is this your first build ? anyway good luck with it

[godmod]

ûhm, good question.
suffocation is right, an autoc. is probably the most difficult thing to build (out of SS, Autoc. and cascade) and if you rly want to build one, you should have enough experience (you should have built several units)!

[iboomalot]

No no no

Iam going to have an expert from the forums build it. (not sure who yet)

Iam trying to see about ideas to make it effective and efficient.


I want to layout the entire design first --- cost , time to build , and size are all within my reach.


I just got my AutoCad fired back up and yes thats from AutoCad 2006.

I like Photoshop better than paint

The below idea is like a turbo on a car. A turbo uses wasted exhaust gas to make the car run more eff.

Iam using the already cold HX to extract heat from the liquid thats cooling the GPU and mobo.

[\Karting_freak]

haha
nice idea with waterchilling
but you should be careful. you dont want condensation, do you?

[iboomalot]

haha
nice idea with waterchilling
but you should be careful. you dont want condensation, do you?

that is why you have multipule tubes running across the HX.

example purpose only

one tube connected = 30c
two tubes = 25c
three tubes = 20c
four tubes = 15c

I figure between 20c - 25c would be a nice safe point to run the other parts and not worry about condensation problems.

[\Karting_freak]

hm
i dunno
lets see what experts will say, but imo surface area is not enough

i'd better go with water-chilling. just get one of those danfoss pl25-50. they're like 50usd, incredibly quiet and will cool your water down to 15C easily

[Blaster]

No no no

Iam going to have an expert from the forums build it. (not sure who yet)

Iam trying to see about ideas to make it effective and efficient.


I want to layout the entire design first --- cost , time to build , and size are all within my reach.


I just got my AutoCad fired back up and yes thats from AutoCad 2006.

I like Photoshop better than paint

The below idea is like a turbo on a car. A turbo uses wasted exhaust gas to make the car run more eff.

Iam using the already cold HX to extract heat from the liquid thats cooling the GPU and mobo.

hummm i think you need to read a lot more stickies lol

[iboomalot]

water is just the byproduct

Iam wanting -50c to -100c on a Conroe 6700 later this fall.


Iam having problems finding condenser sizes to see what will fit or if i need to go 14.5" wide on my designed case.

thinking this compressor might work ---> AJA2425AXA

[cryo-tek]

Here's a first cut at what may work for you:

[godmod]

No no no

Iam going to have an expert from the forums build it. (not sure who yet)

Iam trying to see about ideas to make it effective and efficient.


I want to layout the entire design first --- cost , time to build , and size are all within my reach.


I just got my AutoCad fired back up and yes thats from AutoCad 2006.

I like Photoshop better than paint

The below idea is like a turbo on a car. A turbo uses wasted exhaust gas to make the car run more eff.

Iam using the already cold HX to extract heat from the liquid thats cooling the GPU and mobo.

dude, thats complete nonsense. you would just add heatload to the HX and your temp will increase! forget it, maybe read some stickies as blaster already said/wanted to say

[iboomalot]

yep your right and after making a few calls I think I will just do a single stage on the Conroe


difference between -50 and -100 won't be that huge of an OC to justify the cost and possible problems.



Thanks for your input

[ong]

cryo-tek, the gas you use r123, r22 & r23,
how you mix all this gas? how many %?

[epox4life]

So is this autocascade going to be a chiller that uses a plate HX?

[godmod]

it looks like this autoC is going to become a SS :P

[iboomalot]

nope this autoC and SS is now going to be a chiller

I thought about several things

1. heat dump into the room
2. noise from fans and compressors
3. ease of maint. & service
4. if cooling should fail

1. mount unit outside and pipe coolant to CPU, GPU, & NB
2. its outside no noise
3. if I need to serv just down clock and use std. water cooling
4. autoC or SS fails = alot of CPU heat atleast water will give some cooling.

looks like I will be hunting for a 110v scroll compresser and a HUGE condenser since the unit will be outside I can dump all the heat I want without effecting my home during the summer months.

Thanks for all your help and getting me thinking.