AM3 = DDR2 and DDR3

[turtle]

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=574791

in this document besides introduced the Opteron new naming principle, had unexpectedly disclosed the future third generation Socket AM3 name, and will support DDR2 and DDR3, although we certainly will not be able to learn about its substantive specification, but actually perspective AMD when the future will have the AM3 processor plan, under the chart for German CeBIT has patted related Socket F the picture.

So that's what's after AM2...and probably the "information" anand and everyone else has been stating will be revealed/discussed about the future of AMD's roadmaps on or after the release of AM2 on 6/6/6 at Cebit.

Looks like AM2 will be another socket 754. Perhaps AM3 will be the next 939?

[Sentential]

Looks like AM2 will be another socket 754.

I really hope so...AMD is going to get creamed when Conroe (and worse yet Kentsville) arrives on the market

[nn_step]

And yet no one listen when I said AM2 isn't a big deal...
M2 on the other hand... Intel better start bending over now...

[Bar81]

Well, they need to do something and quick because come Q3, AMD's gonna be getting pounded in the desktop market.

[Bar81]

And yet no one listen when I said AM2 isn't a big deal...
M2 on the other hand... Intel better start bending over now...

Nice try. It's called AM3. So your mythical M2 never showed up <shock>

[nn_step]

Nice try. It's called AM3. So your mythical M2 never showed up <shock>

Just wait... You'll understand

[onewingedangel]

if theres no performance difference between 939 and am2, I don't see why anyone will now bother with am2 at all - not only doesn't it offer performance improvements its also got only a limited shelf life. Be better if they skipped am2 and went straight to am3 - although its far too late for that now.

[turtle]

Remember how AMD said Socket F was the only "soon-to-be released" socket that will support quad core?

Perhaps we'll see a AM3 launch around the time we see desktop quad cores.

That would make AM2 transitional, kind of like 754...and with a short life-span with only DDR2. That's why I make the comparison.

Interesting... I wonder if AM3 and K8L are related? Will the 2xFP make it's way to desktop on AM3?

I bet 07 is a big year in general, where-as 2006 is transitional.

Kentsville, AM3, K8L, DDR3, quad cores, more cache, 65nm, co-processors, vista, parallel computing catching on, DX10...hold on to your ass.

New tech boom?

[Bar81]

Just wait... You'll understand

I understand. No need to wait. You *still* have no idea what you're talking about. Denial is such a sad thing

[Charloz24]

Well, they need to do something and quick because come Q3, AMD's gonna be getting pounded in the desktop market.

Just thing people tend to forget. When Conroe will be released, they will have only limited quantities (ex: 10% Conroe VS 90% current intel) So that mean even if Conroe beat AMD current offering, this will not hurt AMD that much this year.

[Bar81]

if theres no performance difference between 939 and am2, I don't see why anyone will now bother with am2 at all - not only doesn't it offer performance improvements its also got only a limited shelf life. Be better if they skipped am2 and went straight to am3 - although its far too late for that now.

I don't think many people will bother with it, we'll be going Conroe. The only reason AM2 makes sense is in the new system market as DDR2 prices continue to drop due to volume from the Intel side. It's something that needs to be done by AMD as DD3 at price parity is still at least 2H 07.

[Bar81]

Just thing people tend to forget. When Conroe will be released, they will have only limited quantities (ex: 10% Conroe VS 90% current intel) So that mean even if Conroe beat AMD current offering, this will not hurt AMD that much this year.

Who knows at this point, but the point is that the tide will have turned and by next year they will be getting clobbered on the desktop side. Until K8L it looks like Intel is back on top and how

[Charloz24]

Who knows at this point, but the point is that the tide will have turned and by next year they will be getting clobbered on the desktop side. Until K8L it looks like Intel is back on top and how

Well maybe, but that Conroe thing really smells BIG HYPE like Intel does before with Prescott, so I'll rather like to wait and see true results than speak out loud something that still not proven enough yet.

[nn_step]

Just wait and see, if Intel is better:Buy intel, if AMD is better:Buy AMD.
Simple as that, wait and see.

[turtle]

Conroe will be used for the extreme editions only at first, right? This alone makes his point valid to me. Most of us don't buy FX60's.

True enough, it will float down by next year to "the rest of us", but that's when K8L, AM3, blah,blah, and blah will be around.

If AM3 with DDR2/3 support, 2x FP (or whatever K8L does), 65nm (by then similar to intel...unlike 65nm Conroe vs. current 90nm DDR1 A64's), quad cores, more cache, ability for co-processors etc appear in 07, the fight just may be on. DDR2 doesn't help AMD, but DDR3 may if the latencies (comparitively speaking) are tighter than DDR2, or the quad cores take advantage of the bandwidth better. That seems to be the major problem now, AMD stuck on latency because of the mem controller and Intel harnessing the bandwidth of DDR2/3 for Conroe (by using a large shared cache.) More cache (or connected cache) may also solve the current problems of AMD vs Memory...who knows? Odds are improvements will be made in that area as well on K8L, as the whispers make it sound like Z-cache and everything else will appear around then.

Certainly the cryptic pieces of AMD's future roadmap (and hints of using certain tech in future CPUs) slowly coming together restores a little faith in others than just me..faith that was lost with those initial conroe benchmarks and the noise of AM2 only supporting DDR2 (with little noise of how far AM2 would go) while intel is transitioning to DDR3. Now that we now where AMD is going, it's a sigh of relief. It may not be a huge arch. change like CONROE, but nips and tucks and tweaks surely could put up a fight, right?

[nn_step]

M2 is more than just nips and tucks, it will be the completion of a three year project (Conroe is a 9 month project) You will be impressed...

[turtle]

Micro or Macro?

Will M2 be a continuation of the tweaking of A64 (like they have since it was first introduced, and still seem to be through AM2/3) or is it a new architecture? It seems to me AMD likes to stick with one architecture and then slowly build on it, hence socket A lasting forever and A64 doing the same, even if through different sockets because of the mem controller (perhaps AM3 will change that and allow for some longevity).

If M2 is a new architecture, when? After AM3 and K8L? Is it a socket? Is it a chip design? Will or work in AM3 boards?

All important questions. I've personally never heard of this M2, only that AM2 used to be called M2...but you seem to imply something different. AMD is due for a chip redign, especially if AM3 continues on the regular A64 design with K8L, which it seems to be. Surely whatever comes after that will be new though...and big.

[nike]

lol nn_step lets jus w8 and see ^^^^^^ i hope amd is goin 2 own damn intel :P

[jrw]

M2 is more than just nips and tucks, it will be the completion of a three year project (Conroe is a 9 month project) You will be impressed...

When will we see this M2?

[nn_step]

Micro or Macro?

Will M2 be a continuation of the tweaking of A64 (like they have since it was first introduced, and still seem to be through AM2/3) or is it a new architecture?

let me phrase it this way, K8 is Three years old.

[Hardware-Addict]

I really hope so...AMD is going to get creamed when Conroe (and worse yet Kentsville) arrives on the market

There's K8L for Conroe

[ozzimark]

one thing though.. if AM3 supports both ddr2 and ddr3.. we're gonna have to find a way to keep the ddr2 compatible boards seperate from ddr3 compatible boards, unless ddr2 and 3 are gonna be *gasp* pin compatible.

[nn_step]

one thing though.. if AM3 supports both ddr2 and ddr3.. we're gonna have to find a way to keep the ddr2 compatible boards seperate from ddr3 compatible boards, unless ddr2 and 3 are gonna be *gasp* pin compatible.

we will know the answer to that in less than Two weeks.. but indications are very good right now

[metro.cl]

you need a new title nn from ddr3 guru to wait and see guru or m2 guru.

if you gonna talk this much just say things for real i can tell you that cpus are gonna be really fast in the future but i dont need to know a lot for that, right

[nn_step]

you need a new title nn from ddr3 guru to wait and see guru or m2 guru.

if you gonna talk this much just say things for real i can tell you that cpus are gonna be really fast in the future but i dont need to know a lot for that, right

You'll find the Title DDR3 Guru far more accurate soon enough