NEWS !! New Conroe Info

[perkam]

If Conroe is based on Yonah architecture...3.33ghz should be nuts

Perkam

[onewingedangel]

considering the increased pipeline and higher latency cache compared to dotan, but countered by a four issue wide core with various architectural improvements and a faster front side bus, I believe this would beat even a 3.4ghz a64, which is the max we'd be able to see on a select bin part, even if the tweaks amd and ibm are making to the 90nm process yield a 10% increase in clockspeed. However I find it a little hard to believe that such a chip will be with us anytime soon, after all how much extra headroom is there to compete with the amd 65nm move? My bet is that the initial highest speed will be closer to 3ghz, increasing to 3.33ghz when amd shifts to 65nm, and can offer a competing product. Wonder what the TDp of a 3.33ghz part will be - have they achieved that speed by being more liberal with power and heat requirements? thats an overclockers job!

[Sentential]

Hmmm if thats true this will certianly give AMD a run for its money, thats for sure. However I worry about the FSB speeds of these chips. AMD will have them beat on the FSB/HTT end of the equation but if they are really 3ghz capable chips AMD might have a seirous problem with the top end

[Carfax]

According to Charlie Demerjian of the Inq (one of their more reliable reporters), Intel already has Conroe working at speeds of up to 3.33ghz!

Thats amazing if true, because if Intel releases Conroe/Merom on schedule, the fastest chip AMD will have will be 2.8ghz (I think). The 3.0ghz X2s will probably make their debut towards the end of the year.

Can you imagine a 3.33ghz Conroe? That would be akin to having a 4.3ghz K8, if the rumours of the 30% higher IPC prove to be true (in some benchmarks I'm sure)..

I doubt they'll release at so high a clockspeed though, because that would be overkill!

Also, it looks like the XE models will be working with 1333 FSB and the mainstream parts will have 1066..

It's been so long since I've upgraded, I may just blow my entire tax return on a Conroe setup

Source

[Thorry]

I doubt they'll release at so high a clockspeed though, because that would be overkill!

WTH are you doing at XS?

Intel is going to kick *ss with this CPU, but just wait what AMD comes up with.

[Carfax]

WTH are you doing at XS?

Intel is going to kick *ss with this CPU, but just wait what AMD comes up with.

What I meant was, that Intel probably won't want to ramp clockspeeds that fast, because AMD is already at a disadvantage by using 90nm process and they don't NEED to introduce a chip at that speed to whoop their ass..

Then again, the XE is in a class by itself, so perhaps they will introduce it at 3.33ghz. The XE chip will be competing directly with AMD's FX part, which should be 3ghz or so.

The mainstream parts will probably start at 2.6ghz, and top out at 3ghz though most likely..

[nn_step]

The Chips are going to get slower and Slower and we are going to see more and More Cores and Less 4ghz overclocks

[kiwi]

Wow

WTH are you doing at XS?

lol?

[perkam]

We have a thread for the Conroe...in which this is old news

--Threads Merged--

Check the first post in this thread

Perkam

[Revv23]

ive seen this coming for over a year now... amd bumps clocks every few months to keep us happy, but nothing real significant, intel is going to come out with something great, theyll up the volts and max out thier cpu's, then everyone will about how hot amd's run.

sounds kinda like what happened to intel eh?

[DilTech]

Eh, AMD has their new silicon method and 65nm coming next year... They won't have heat problems or power issues, that's for sure.

Next summer is going to be a definite fight on the CPU front!

[nn_step]

I wonder if the new Desire of Amd and Intel For multible cores will Cause a Rebirth to Risc

[Pinnacle]

I wonder if the new Desire of Amd and Intel For multible cores will Cause a Rebirth to Risc

ya, good question

[saaya]

According to Charlie Demerjian of the Inq (one of their more reliable reporters), Intel already has Conroe working at speeds of up to 3.33ghz!

not only intel
and there are conroe samples running that speed for months already

[Cooper]

saaya knows something we don`t
Share some plz

[saaya]

all i can say is that conroe will be DAMN fast... sorry

[nn_step]

all i can say is that conroe will be DAMN fast... sorry

Please for the love of God tell me they aren't still trying too keep the Clock speed high..
I would prefer if they dropped the speed and did more for every Clock

[Cooper]

saaya will they be i975X compatible ? Or yr birdy uses different type chipset ?

[Thorry]

Please for the love of God tell me they aren't still trying too keep the Clock speed high..
I would prefer if they dropped the speed and did more for every Clock

Why do you care?

Yes the netburst architecture could only work on very high clockspeeds (Prescott should have been 5-6 ghz) and yes that didn't work for various reasons. But a new architecture could not have these problems.

What if the next generation CPUs run at 25 Ghz and still only be twice as fast as the current architecture, why do you care?

Failing of high clockspeeds on netburst architecture is a seperate issue from high clockspeeds. Actually in a FSB environment higher clockspeeds mean more bandwidth which is good.

There are only two problems with higher clockspeeds:
- High clockspeed circuits put out more EMI
- High clockspeed circuits are more vunerable to EMI

That's why clockspeeds need to be kept lower instead of higher, however a compromise needs to be found where that compromise lays nobody really knows. As circuits get smaller and smaller more parallization is possible which leaves more bandwidth at the same clockspeeds. On the other side smaller circuits can be switched faster which means higher clockspeeds.

People should know by now clockspeed says absolutely nothing...

[coldpower27]

Here is my take on the roadmap:



I am hopeful this is correct, would be nice as Allendale can target some of the lower price points.

[Cooper]

New info from HKEPC.com




So Conroe should still be sitting on LGA775 - that`s good. Today you can buy mobo and 6xx/9xx and then upgrade to Conroe. I guess this year Intel is on "small investments upgrade" road
Hopefully those rumors with i975 rev.2 won`t come true or at least current i975 mobos will support Conroe without any issues.


UPDATE

Check out the differences in the capacitors at the back of the CPUs. However, no 975X boards out there are able to run Conroe at the moment. Not even a BIOS update. Gotta wait for a new PCB revision.

I guess Asetek will make it possible to run Conroe on curent i975x based mobos with simple BIOS update ...I hope few of brand makers will make it.

I`m just really curious what kinda mobos are used by people confirming 3.3GHz spec

[Cooper]

New info on Conroe and i975x compatability

Mobos for Conroe chips will have different VRM (voltage regulator module). Of course they will be compatible with curent cpus. Hopefully some hardware mods will allow todays i975 mobos to run Conroe.

Source - russian website

[maratus]

Big disappointment

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29504

I think I'll go with Presler untill 3.33Ghz Conroe appears....

[onewingedangel]

not really look at the xeon linup - they have their xx60 chip listed as 3ghz, which would indicate headroom above 3ghz. Maybe the e9 series will scale to 2.7 on launch with a 3ghz ee with decent speedbumps to follow. After all this architecture will have to last intel a good while yet, and the e9 series classification may not last too long (move to a higher fsb?). This news is not dissapointing, instead its rather good news, and indicates good overclocking headroom on these chips as well.

[Sentential]

Big disappointment

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29504

I think I'll go with Presler untill 3.33Ghz Conroe appears....

Thats more in line of what I have heard/expected. Numerous sources have told me that Conroe has a top end problem similar to Presler and Winchester. Its a great cool running CPU but most have issues past 2.6ghz and a rare few could scrape 3.

Frankly this is far more optomistic than I thought it would be. I wholly expected the top end Conroe chip to be 2.33ghz and not 2.6