Here's something a little different - A64 x2 AD*V*4400DAA6CD

[Rickster_64]

Nice results, do you know if any of the new Socket 939 Optys are shipping with this revision? I just ordered a retail 146 yesterday from Monarch.

[s7e9h3n]

Nice results, do you know if any of the new Socket 939 Optys are shipping with this revision? I just ordered a retail 146 yesterday from Monarch.

Hmmm, well that's a tough question to answer considering this is an Dual Core X2 cpu and you're talking about a Single Core Opteron cpu I guess it would be a possiblity but the OPN on it would have to be OSV 146XXXXXX....

[turtle]

Yeah. I guess the question would be "will we see these on 170/175's?"

It's semi-odd to me that that the asrock bios update file (L'inq'ed by-proxy right along with this thread ) clearly shows it as 4400+ only, not the 4800+/170/175...only the lowest clocked part?

Perhaps they won't be opterons (which seem binned pretty high) because these are a stepping stock-undervolted/throttled because they can run the lower speed at those volts? That doesn't seem to imply any kind of better or worse clocks at higher than old or new stock volts though...although we havn't seen any non-phase results yet, so who knows.

Thanks for giving us the heads up on the new goods s7e9h3n.

[terrace215]

Hmmm, well that's a tough question to answer considering this is an Dual Core X2 cpu and you're talking about a Single Core Opteron cpu I guess it would be a possiblity but the OPN on it would have to be OSV 146XXXXXX....

As the 3 letter prefixes tend to indicate whole classes of parts, what do you imagine 'ADV' stands for?

Still desktop, but with a reduced TDP?

New DC DTR mobile?

The current ADA X2s range from 89W to 110W in terms of TDP, with the 4200+ and 3800+ at 89W, and the 4400+ and up at 110W.

Anything more you can say at this point?

The other puzzle-- so far, only the 4400 appears with an ADV OPN...

[ShaidarHaran]

As the 3 letter prefixes tend to indicate whole classes of parts, what do you imagine 'ADV' stands for?

Still desktop, but with a reduced TDP?

New DC DTR mobile?

The current ADA X2s range from 89W to 110W in terms of TDP, with the 4200+ and 3800+ at 89W, and the 4400+ and up at 110W.

Anything more you can say at this point?

The other puzzle-- so far, only the 4400 appears with an ADV OPN...

The DC mobile parts will be using socket M2, S1, or both. I'm afraid this is just a lower voltage desktop part, rather than the first sighting of the upcoming DC mobile parts.

[kimandsally]

Hi s7e9h3n something has gone wrong with the images, any chance of reposting please.

[turtle]

Still desktop, but with a reduced TDP...New DC DTR?

That sounds totally feasible...if not just a just something more simplistic like voltage binning.

[turtle]

OT: Why arn't you asking for a 175 (same processor)? Those seem to be quite proven for great clocking.

[ShaidarHaran]

OT: Why arn't you asking for a 175 (same processor)? Those seem to be quite proven for great clocking.

I'll be ordering a 175 next week (assuming the money's there, of course). Can't wait to o/c that puppy with my Zalman 9500.

[s7e9h3n]

As the 3 letter prefixes tend to indicate whole classes of parts, what do you imagine 'ADV' stands for?

Still desktop, but with a reduced TDP?

New DC DTR mobile?

The current ADA X2s range from 89W to 110W in terms of TDP, with the 4200+ and 3800+ at 89W, and the 4400+ and up at 110W.

Anything more you can say at this point?

The other puzzle-- so far, only the 4400 appears with an ADV OPN...

The "V" in the OPN doesn't refer to the TDP of the cpu. TDP is derived from the third letter which follows the model number of the cpu for, or the "case temperature" and varies from cpu to cpu. The 3 letters in the start of an OPN as a group are not indicative of anything specific per say....rather they can be broken down into two parts. For example - the prefix ADAxxxxxxxxxx:

AD = Brand of processor - in this case, that would be AMD A64
A = Power limit - A = standard power

The only cpus different 3rd letter till this point have been the Opterons with the normal "OSAxxxxxxxxx" (Standard power limit), "OSKxxxxxxxxx" (OpteronHE - 55w power limit), and "OSBxxxxxxxxx" (OpteronEE - 30W power limit)

BTW: I fixed the links - seems as if I may be overloading imageshack

[vapb400]

Most of the pics are still down
But from what I saw.....I'm impressed

[zir_blazer]

The "V" in the OPN doesn't refer to the TDP of the cpu. TDP is derived from the third letter which follows the model number of the cpu for, or the "case temperature" and varies from cpu to cpu. The 3 letters in the start of an OPN as a group are not indicative of anything specific per say....rather they can be broken down into two parts. For example - the prefix ADAxxxxxxxxxx:

AD = Brand of processor - in this case, that would be AMD A64
A = Power limit - A = standard power

The only cpus different 3rd letter till this point have been the Opterons with the normal "OSAxxxxxxxxx" (Standard power limit), "OSKxxxxxxxxx" (OpteronHE - 55w power limit), and "OSBxxxxxxxxx" (OpteronEE - 30W power limit)

Look Fab51 OPN guides. About power consumption (TDP/"Maximum rated power" or how you like to call it), besides the Opterons EE that falls in the "Up to 30 Watts" category that got OSK prefix and the Opteron HE that falls in the "Up to 55 Watts" category with OSB prefix, we also got the Mobile Athlons 64 (Desktop Replacement) with prefix AMA ("Up to 81.5 Watts"), the standard Mobile Athlon 64 with prefix AMN ("Up to 62 Watts") and the low power Mobile Athlon 64 with prefix AMD ("Up to 35 Watts"). If it doesn't indicates in some way TDP, what it does then?
The third letter of Case Temperature can but not necesarily is TDP related neither. For example, we got the AMN3400BIX5AR that in the third letter after the model number got an X letter for Maximum Case Temperature (The X means that the Maximum Case Temperature is 95C°) that is a standard Mobile Athlon 64 ("Up to 62 Watts") and the AMA3400BEX5AR that is a Desktop Replacement Athlon 64 ("Up to 81.5 Watts") with the same X, but the second letter after the model number that is for Voltage is diferent (E means 1.5 Volts, I means 1.4 Volts). This makes sense because the Maximum Case Temperature nothing seems related to power consumptions categories when you consider that Watts = Voltage * Amperage. Higher Frecuencies means higher Amperage, and because in my two OPN examples both got the same Frecuency, the Amperage is the same, so the only that can make the final Watts result change is Voltage, and that is exactly the diference bewthem boths OPNs. The same happens with Mobile Athlons XP and even with the rare but existant Low Power Athlons XP with AXDL prefix (1.5 Volts instead of the default 1.65 Volts).
However, as I mentioned early, in your Processor this is fairly unknow because for Voltage (And for Maximum Case Temperature too even if it doesn't matter for power consumption purposes), the A letter means just "Variable". It doesn't specify neither a fixed value or a range (Bewthem 1.30 Volts and 1.35 Volts for example), it just can be anything. If your OPN instead had a letter actually designating an specific Voltage and we could compare it to a regular Athlon 64 X2 4400+ that we know what Voltage ranges it may come to, it would be easy to prove than the ADV means another power consumption category.

[Obi]

could these be the first of the cores being produced from their new fab in dresden? before they go for the next die shrink?

[terrace215]

The "V" in the OPN doesn't refer to the TDP of the cpu. TDP is derived from the third letter which follows the model number of the cpu for, or the "case temperature" and varies from cpu to cpu. The 3 letters in the start of an OPN as a group are not indicative of anything specific per say....rather they can be broken down into two parts. For example - the prefix ADAxxxxxxxxxx:

AD = Brand of processor - in this case, that would be AMD A64
A = Power limit - A = standard power

The only cpus different 3rd letter till this point have been the Opterons with the normal "OSAxxxxxxxxx" (Standard power limit), "OSKxxxxxxxxx" (OpteronHE - 55w power limit), and "OSBxxxxxxxxx" (OpteronEE - 30W power limit)

BTW: I fixed the links - seems as if I may be overloading imageshack

Ummm... I think that's what I said

The first 3 letters indicate a "class" of part, and beyond desktop/mobile/server these classes often determine different TDP families.

Case temperature limit does not directly correspond to TDP, but rather thermal density.

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So what do you think "ADV" stands for?

It would seem to be desktop with a different TDP family rating.

[terrace215]

could these be the first of the cores being produced from their new fab in dresden? before they go for the next die shrink?

Hmmm. Probably not, if only because output from Fab36 is not due until the end of Q1 06. Seems a bit early for samples, in that case...

But you never know. Interesting idea.

[s7e9h3n]

Most of the pics are still down
But from what I saw.....I'm impressed

Fixed

[Onepagebook]

Fixed

fixed? I am listening to you sining a song

[Obi]

Hmmm. Probably not, if only because output from Fab36 is not due until the end of Q1 06. Seems a bit early for samples, in that case...

But you never know. Interesting idea.

oh I thought that .65nm was going to be at the end of Q1, but that they would start with .90nm to get the equipment working etc....?


cheers

[shadowing]

I wonder.. Any chance you have any clue when these new dual core stepping will come out?

[terrace215]

oh I thought that .65nm was going to be at the end of Q1, but that they would start with .90nm to get the equipment working etc....?


cheers

No, 90nm is indeed coming first, but the first 90nm output from Fab36 is scheduled for the end of Q1.

65nm sometime later in 2006.

[The Coolest]

s7e9h3n>> Run GCPUID on it, check what is the max multiplier you can set with it?
Could you also send me a register dump of this CPU? Just hit F7 in the program.
www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/apps/GCPUID-RC.zip

BTW: Pics are still dead.

[s7e9h3n]

s7e9h3n>> Run GCPUID on it, check what is the max multiplier you can set with it?
Could you also send me a register dump of this CPU? Just hit F7 in the program.
www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/apps/GCPUID-RC.zip

BTW: Pics are still dead.

Jesus, I think imageshack just killed most of my links because my pics are too interesting I'll get you some info when I get my OS re-installed.....

[zir_blazer]

And we have a winner... Search for the CPU Support List of the ASUS A8N-SLI Premium and you will find the following:

Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 4400+ revE6(110W Socket939) ALL 1005
Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 4400+ revE6(89W Socket939) ALL 1009.004

It doesn't talks about OPNs but its pretty predictable than the "Up 89 Watts" A64X2 4400+ is the one that s7e9h3n got. After several of almost ignored Posts, seems that I am right! Now I will dance in underwear!

[The Coolest]

Yep, you're right.
ADA4400 = 110W max
ADV4400 = 89W max

[RichUK]

Yep, you're right.
ADA4400 = 110W max
ADV4400 = 89W max

ive just skimmed this thread but i assume that the ADV is better for OCing?

Also are these new chips just a fluke or are they readily available?