Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MB - Info Here

[weeds]

Did you guys see this from the Guru3d review of the 6800GS?



http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/278/

[IAmSpoli]

sweet ass card

[DilTech]

Yet another reason why I think EVGA made a typo in their PDF. Every other source, right down to the XFX bios has stated clocks in the 500 count.... Compared to ONE source saying 470, a source that has been taken down completely, and one that was never on EVGA's website, ONLY zipzoomfly.com.

I still have hope for 500mhz+, but if I don't see it...well...I'm waiting for Q1.

[softpain]

"Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MB quantities held deliberately low

Much less than people expected"

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27552

"Our story was confirmed by several sources and we learned that Taiwanese companies could sell many more of these cards but can get just a handfull of chips. It’s a limited product and it's meant to be limited."

[Ubermann]

Wohhaa (posted some secs after you=)
If ATi release a new card then we problaly go beyond $700 soon.

[DilTech]

Hmm...so basically, NVidia is going to do the same thing ATi is doing with this card.

Release them into retail channels, but slowly so they can keep the price up... Like how ATi sends 20 at a time per store, and keeps the price at $599, NVidia apparently has the same plan...

It's not the card in low supply, NVidia is going to make it so it is in low supply.... Both companies are getting EVIL this round, and BOTH companies could use a good slapping, and I mean an all day slapping.

Of course, this fits right along with what I've been told about the bigger fish, as this card won't have a very long life, so keeping it limited makes sense.....

[Ubermann]

You really think ATi is sitting on all XT cards ?
As i see it Nvidia can charge whatever price they want cuz they have the fastest card.
Dont compare this to ATi as the profit made from all sold cards this far is almost nothing for that big company i think.

[DilTech]

Honestly, yes.

Look at it this way, the only XT's to show up in retail channels is the 512mb ones. The 256 ones(the cheaper ones) nowhere to be found, but you CAN find the xl's everywhere.

The 512mb XT's are slowly trickling 20 at a time, gee, does this take rocket science to figure out... If it was a ram shortage, you'd see the 256mb xt's everywhere, as they'd want to sell those to effectively make double the money for the same amount of ram, so that's surely not the problem, and if it was a core shortage, there wouldn't be XL's anywhere seeing as how the "myth" of the XL's using different cores was apparently busted by people hitting past XT speeds on their XL's using the same or less voltage to do so. MSRP gets jacked up to $599, and they're being slowly sent out... Gee, I wonder what's going on.

Think about it ubermann.....It's actually smart business tactics, they both want to make as much money off these cards as they possibly can, and they're very well going to do it.

As for comparing the two, NVidia are going to keep the flow of cards slow so to keep street price up, just like ATi are doing now(only difference is, ATi is FORCING that street price up). It's the same thing basically...

Keep demand high and supply low = high prices. Thing is, in both cases it's either pay the high price or get an inferior card.... I just wanna slap both companies around at this point.

[Ubermann]

People really turning their back to ATi cuz of this.
You can see even the die hard ATI fanboys on forums getting pissed and going Nvidia instead.
People are not happy lately with late cards and no stock.
Thats not a tactic, thats a problem (in my eyes)

I think the first 256 ones that will show up will be the master cards.

[DilTech]

People really turning their back to ATi cuz of this.
You can see even the die hard ATI fanboys on forums getting pissed and going Nvidia instead.
People are not happy lately with late cards and no stock.
Thats not a tactic, thats a problem (in my eyes)

I think the first 256 ones that will show up will be the master cards.

I agree with you on it being a problem, but look at it this way...

ATi *have* to make a set amount of money on these cards. By forcing the $599 price(except on oem, which means no warranty!) they can charge higher prices to the shops, so they can make the money they have to make. Knowing NVidia have their 512mb GTX coming, doing this means they all get sold(die hard fanboys don't care who's better, they just want their brand), at the price ATi needs to make.

Basically, while WE don't like it, THEY see it as a business tactic. NVidia apparently like the idea and will be doing the same thing.

[Tim]

Point is....nVidia can get them in mass to stores...but don't do it....ATI on the other hand IMO can't get them to stores, wether it's chip shortages (core or RAM)

So either way it's very dirty these games...but if nVidia hardlaunches the card....that Inq article will probably be long forgotten....it's expensive...but just like not many people can afford a sportscar or something similar....

[DilTech]

Well Tim, there is one thing in that story that makes it a bit doubtable...

The reporter....Fuad.

[Ubermann]

You seem to forget things you wrote in the past about price on this thing.
Tim didnt you say that Nvidia would be stupid if they didnt match price or go lower then ATI before ?
But now when they mention "limited" and a price set at $650 thats already forgotten ?
And then we blame ATi for limited and price ?
I mean you cant blame ATi for any "bad" news with Nvidia.

Dont get me wrong, i really dont like whats happening with ATi lately and Nvidia is doing everything right for the moment.
People will pay those $650 so its not a problem and "limited" might make them pay it now and not wait for price to drop.

[DilTech]

Personally, I haven't forgotten.... I think they're rather stupid for doing so, I understand that 512mb of 1.1ns ram can't be cheap or easy to come by, but it's not a good decision in the slightest.

I'm not blaming it on ATi either, I'm merely saying it seems like they're both using the same battle plan here.

The only ones to blame are the people who will pay it, because NVidia knows people WILL pay it just for the E-Peen implant alone.

[Ubermann]

i personally think 500$ should be top for a standart highest end card...

Agree but how to make them set that price ?
I wonder what price their next high end cards will have, i guess they come as 512megs only.
Maybe Samsung is to blame for all this, or rather the lack of competition in that area for the moment.

[Tim]

Tim didnt you say that Nvidia would be stupid if they didnt match price or go lower then ATI before ?
But now when they mention "limited" and a price set at $650 thats already forgotten ?

No no not at all sorry for giving that impression , I don't like nVidia for doing this...actually it's a bloody stupid move....but, prices can drop rapidly if it will be an hardlaunch...maybe not nVidia's MSRP or whatever it's called..but the shops will drop them in price (hopefully)

ATI and nVidia are both playing dirty here...don't get me wrong, fact still stands that there is price gouging going on for the XT because there is very limited availability (sp)

I'm not saying that it's right...not at all....

[G H Z]

LOL, ATI has no agenda to limit supply strictly to maintain a retail or higher price. They stand to make one hell of alot more money selling in volume. The above retail prices we are seeing are set by the retailer and have nothing to do with ATI. Trust me I know having been a retail vendor for several companies.

In fact I would venture to say that ATI has spoken to some of the retailers and instructed them to not sell their product at the ridiculously high prices we saw with X850 PE's. Remember Allstarshop this January? If not I'll refresh your memory. When X850 PE released they had that card for $989 and no that's not a typo. Assshops price was insane for about 3 weeks before it fell below $700, but they we're also the only retailer to have them in stock. We are not seeing that BS with the XT. Yes it's over retail but that's normal for a high demand/low supply product.

They simply cannot make enough of these cards for some reason, that is all.

[freecableguy]

Here is one.

http://www.scorptec.com.au/index.php?prdid=17460

That's been out for a month or more. That nothing more than a 7800GTX 256MB card with 512MB installed. It's not next generation, same original PCB, GDDR3 type, etc.

[Tim]

That's been out for a month or more. That nothing more than a 7800GTX 256MB card with 512MB installed. It's not next generation, same original PCB, GDDR3 type, etc.

There is no previous 512mb GTX......it's the new one. Shows same pic as the Leadtek Extreme......

[freecableguy]

ok, Tim, ignore me, you know more than me....believe what you want

[Vapor]

Tim, yes there was...original PCB and memory clocked at 1250MHz. THAT is the original one, not the new one UNDER NDA.

Also, FCG would know....he went on a mega-hunt for these coolers

[Ubermann]

I dont think it ever was listed at Leaktek site, nor do i think it was ever sold one.

[Tim]

I dont think it ever was listed at Leaktek site, nor do i think it was ever sold one.

Hm....strange...anyway, doesn't matter...never saw one in retail channels....the official 512mb should be better

[Ubermann]

What i mean is that i dont think it ever existed =)

[Tim]

What i mean is that i dont think it ever existed =)

That is what I thought as well.....

Been looking, but can't find anything about it...