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    Kayls bench cascade

    tonight i got a start to my 2x 1Hp cascade.
    This one is going to be compact i hope. :p
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    sweet
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    thanxs eva200, i cant wait till i got the cash to get ya 3700 clawhammer off ya
    then i can have something worth benching.

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    hahah Still going fast! in the last half year i saw (i think) 3 cascades (if it aint more haha)

    GREAT work!
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    What size tubing is that, and how tight a diameter did you wind it? It looks really tight. I was wondering how you did that without collapsing the tube.

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    I was just thinking the same thing, if you did that by hand thats just awsome kayl !!!!

    look at that 90 degree bend on the right end, thats tighter yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonesy
    What size tubing is that, and how tight a diameter did you wind it? It looks really tight. I was wondering how you did that without collapsing the tube.
    its 1/4" and its about 40mm diameter.
    i wound it around desk fan stand.
    it took a few goes. This pipe is crap hey, the last roll i had was much thicker walls. this stuff kink not carefull.


    Quote Originally Posted by wdrzal
    I was just thinking the same thing, if you did that by hand thats just awsome kayl !!!!

    look at that 90 degree bend on the right end, thats tighter yet.
    tahnxs wdrzal yep by hand. that bend you talking about, got a slight kink, but i got it out and brazed it a tad to re-enforce again.

    I will have 2 chilly condensers sitting under the hx and 2 rotaries on the other side.
    I also have another idea for a special 2nd stage Suction line hx.




    Is it better to have the suction line hx for the second stage before the hx or after the hx cooling the 1150 liquid line.??

    i know last cascade it was just too cold and needs to be heated alot.

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    whats the diameter of the copper tube it fits inside?

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    Nice coil

    But.. I'm afraid that an internal volume of largest pipe will be too large for evaporating (if this largest pipe is
    supposed to work as evaporator). Do you remember Jan's autocascade heat exchanger, which was looking as
    your? And he had problems, refrigerant wasn't flooding inside largest tube properly and also temperatures
    was so bad.

    EDIT :

    About placing suction pipes, somewhere berkut said it's better to place after interstage HX, but I don't know why..
    I hope someone knows and will tell us
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    You can flood that HX easily with a proper compressor with those rortaries it will be a walk in a park kinda stuff. Somehow this design looks familiar
    cool cool cool!

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    its sure is a nice hx.. very compact and looks like a waterchiller reservoir!
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    Looking good kayl. That IHX looks great! I hope it works as good as it looks

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    I like that nice compact HX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kayl
    Is it better to have the suction line hx for the second stage before the hx or after the hx cooling the 1150 liquid line.??
    That sounds like a loaded question to me

    If your talking about sub-cooling your second stage discharge with the second stage suction, the way I did it was subcool the discharge gas before the interstage hx with the suction line hx and then subcool the captube with the suction line. The suction line would be subcooling the captube first.

    Did I say that right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by runmc
    That sounds like a loaded question to me

    If your talking about sub-cooling your second stage discharge with the second stage suction, the way I did it was subcool the discharge gas before the interstage hx with the suction line hx and then subcool the captube with the suction line. The suction line would be subcooling the captube first.

    Did I say that right?

    thanxs guys.
    runmc thats what i though.
    But recently berkut said to do the second stage.
    I think either would help.

    i wasnt decided so i did both
    its a little hard to follow
    but right feed is to 1150 capillary line
    left feed is 1150 in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wdrzal
    whats the diameter of the copper tube it fits inside?
    the tube is 50mm


    Quote Originally Posted by Tonic
    Nice coil

    But.. I'm afraid that an internal volume of largest pipe will be too large for evaporating (if this largest pipe is
    supposed to work as evaporator). Do you remember Jan's autocascade heat exchanger, which was looking as
    your? And he had problems, refrigerant wasn't flooding inside largest tube properly and also temperatures
    was so bad.

    EDIT :

    About placing suction pipes, somewhere berkut said it's better to place after interstage HX, but I don't know why..
    I hope someone knows and will tell us

    yeah i remember , i hope its not an issue, i had same problem with map gas hx with coil inside. the 2 extra pipes inside i hope will restrict it a little, and longer capillary maybe.
    Buts its sort of short and as hatemi said 1Hp really pump it in and suck it out.
    yeah i think the suction line after will really condense the 1150 well i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kayl
    But recently berkut said to do the second stage.
    I don't understand what you mean. I was talking about the second stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by runmc
    I don't understand what you mean. I was talking about the second stage.
    sorry, i meant second stage 1150 liquid out.

    i 100% agree with what you said before, thats the way its in the stickies also.

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    runmc was correct before, compressor to desuperheater to interstage HX

    ps what time zone are you in kayl, are you +8 ,+9 or+10 gmt

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    I would mount that HX as low as it is possible. That way it will be easier to keep it flooded but still without it flooding back to the compressor. Actually I believe it would be a good idea to put the HX below everything else. Make a box/baseplate where it will fit with enough insulation and build everything else ontop of that
    cool cool cool!

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    thaxs for that hatemi makes sense, have a think about that one i will.
    wdrzal i check and let ya know.

    this is my evap i used 7/32" drill bit in drill press.
    then a 3/16" drill bit to clear the channels in a hand drill.
    block is 40mm square and cost $10, thats a cheap evap hey.

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    Canals surely looks better in comparing to previous evaporators But you should work a little on walls, there they're thin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonic
    Canals surely looks better in comparing to previous evaporators But you should work a little on walls, there they're thin
    It's not too bad and the tops will be covered with filler, keep in mind that the wall thickness of most soft copper tubing is only 1/32"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonic
    Canals surely looks better in comparing to previous evaporators But you should work a little on walls, there they're thin

    its atleast 2mm i think, and what gkiing said is very true as well

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    Lookin good. There are a couple of spots that look like the channels arent fully cut/connected, is that just an illusion, or what?

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