i was looking at these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227210
and someone said
"Considering a cheap $160 2x1GB would net you probably 230-240 2.5-4-3-7, I wouldn't spend an exta $100+ for speculation on slightly* better timings."
what should i get? I just need it for bf2 basically...thanks
Haven't tried that ram, but as for that advice....
it seems ever since it's been more common to except relaxed timings and got away from 2-2-2... a lot of people just don't care anymore. It makes no sense. The speed you quoted is about as good as crucial value at 3-3-3 at like 210-215 tops. Trcd is still up there in importance for memory performance. That one 4 always sticks out and punches me in the gut. Gig sticks are doing 2-3-2 and people are getting high results out of say 2.5-4-3 on say TCCD as a side example, because it's tied in with performance so much. It is very much so "relaxing" the timings to go 4 there. More so than Trp. I'd 2-2-3 over 2-3-2 any freaking day. Not saying to buy that infineon, just don't give up on tRCD. Bad advice. Just doesn't seem like that person realizes how crap those timings are at those speeds. Practically like stock speeds with real timings.
So it's kind of a rant. It may only cost you .2fps. That's not the point, and that ram can probably hold a 3 at some MHz. 9 times out of 10 if you do just want to tweak out your memory the extra MHz afforded with 4 are not worth it. You don't have to pay $100 more, just the tweaking I'm discussing. If that is the infineon, you might as well run it at 2-3-2 at stock MHz and call it a day. Hmm.... some people.
Last edited by texuspete00; 08-12-2005 at 06:51 AM.
intersting
people just dont seem to realize how important timings are. ive always like bh-5 and such over tccd. 2-2-2-5 is better than 2.5-4-3-10 with a ton of mhz. all you get out of the high speed is bandwidth, which you dont even need all of it if the timing are.
here is another quote i just read from a guy at DFI-Street.
any thoughts on that set of dimms? the price is right...Originally Posted by MUCHO
and in gaming (bf2-whole reason im getting 2x1gb), dont you want as tight of timings as possible even if you have to sacrefice a few mhz?
the mushkin blue seem to be some nice sticks
12. Professor12 | 2x1GB Mushkin Hi-Perf Blue - Infineon BE-5 | 2.5-3-3-6 1T @ 262MHz | 2.7v | Link! - SPi 32M Stable: Yes
13. NinjaWreck | 2x1GB Mushkin Hi-Perf Blue - Infineon BE-5 | 2.5-3-2-6 1T @ 258MHz | 2.9v | Link! - SPi 32M Stable: Yes
14. rise4310 | 2x1GB Mushkin Hi-Perf Blue - Infineon BE-5 | 2.5-3-3-8 1T @ 257MHz | 2.75v | Link! - SPi 32M Stable: Yes
2.5-3-3-6 1T isnt bad at 260mhz!
too bad they are $322
I actually run a meager 3-3-3 myself on my crucial values. =/ I don't want to give the wrong impression. I work with what I got. These timings just have probably a roughly 25MHz advantage over what was originally posted. I can run up to about 240. I just don't like 4's. It rarely gains you much. I've tested cas to be pretty much moot. Trp I don't see too much of a swing, but other knowledgeable people do. That trcd though... shes a killer. -25 FSB each or more when you want to quick judge a set.
Yeah for BF2 or pretty much any thing else you often want timings over MHz... when the MHz is not enough of a difference. If I were to run a TRCD of 4, I would just want to know EXCATLY how many MHz that rewarded me in OC.
Those results with the blue are nice. Those must truly be the pick of the litter if they still using them infineons. The patriots don't OC like that... usually.
At the end of the day 2 gigs just makes BF2 buttery.
Last edited by texuspete00; 08-12-2005 at 08:57 AM.
Yeah my Crucial Values do 242 max 32M stable so far but I relaxed the timings.
3-3-3-X 1t i can do 239.
texuspete00: DO you have bank interleaving on or off? What are you drive strengths? 8:4 ?
http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?o...id=163&page=10
ocz performance is best bang for the buck. these modules will not be used for benching. thats why im keeping 2x512mb mushkin bh-5
the 2x1gb is for bf2 and 24/7 use.
i dont want to break my balls on 2gb of memory that an extra $100 isnt going to gain me enough to be worth it. im planning on getting a 7800gt too which the $100-$200 will go a lot farther in video card then in memory.
so should i just go with the ocz performance? or some crucial value?
When it comes down to it guys, u either buy a set u know can do 280-300 HTT (we are talking about 2 gig sets here for those unaware), or u get the set that does 200-230 with the tightest timings possible, me, I'm still a timings guy, I would get the ballistix, but they cost too much, so, I went the other way, heh. There is a point where the high htt overcomes the loose latency, but if your sticks can't do 270+ to overcome that, don't bother getting expensive ram that can only do 260 and below imo. Patriot are simply the best bang for the buck atm.
ALIENS are bringing my next kentsfield based rig in a UFO case!
^ hey man... by the way... if we can bench off 2-3-2 and 3-3-3 that would be good. I feel what you're saying. But it seems one of these is the best bang for the buck. Pats ain't usually doing 240, but they got the timings. I can't exactly check. You know 2-3-2 is not possible for me. I will run mem benches to compare with you if ya like though at good SD clocks as well. The cas probably won't do crap, but we can check out Trp. I seen people say they value Trp as much as Trcd, but I'd like to see it settled.Otherwise I'm just gonna have to compare 3-3-3 and 3-3-4 to get a feel for Trp. Even less scientific than something we can come up with. It's not a competition, in fact I can't do 2970 so we'd have to square that off. The patriots are still around $200.. or no? Otherwise I guess this goes out the window, not a fair budget stick blowout.
I think I'm still on drive strength 8. I need to try and tweak them out this weekend. bank interleave is enabled.
Last edited by texuspete00; 08-12-2005 at 09:51 AM.
I have heard disabling a page file is a bad idea. Even with 2gb Windows still uses a page file... For what? I dunno...
^^^ because windows is gay. it always uses a PF even if you have 30gb ram.
even if you disable it...
ive been doing some research and it seems 2x1gb are pretty much all created equal. for what im doing, i dont need anything much. i was looking at the ocz value stuff, or the ocz platinum that most people an do 2.5-3-3-5 230mhz 100% stable.
even the patriot hasnt been looking too bad.
can anyone just recommend me something that will do 220mhz at tight timings? i really dont know what to do here. i usually run 260x11 24/7 and i could run a divider at 260mhz fsb for 220mhz dram speed. or, i could get the platinums and run 2-3-2-5 at 200-210mhz...
i will be getting a phase-change soon and ill probly run 3.2-3.3ghz 24/7 and the dividers will work about the same. so i reall dont know what to do here....
well i think ive decided what im going to do.
i think ill get the platinum and shoot for 260*11 with a 183mhz divider. that puts dram at 220mhz. then i can try to run the platinum at 2.5-3-2-5 for a nice 24/7 bf2 setup!
then, when i get the phase-changer, i should hopefully get 3.3ghz stable. so ill run 300*11 with a 150mhz divider to put the dram at 220mhz 2.5-3-2-5
sound good and feasible?
Sounds good to me.. Its definately cheaper than the Ballistix that i ordered.
I have the patriot Low latency kit runs 540mhz 3,3,3,6 2.6v. Does 245 at 2.5,3,3,6 and does 220 at 2,3,2,5. Excellent ram IMHO. Probably the same ICs as the 400 priced OCZ and Ballistix
A64 X2 4400+@2.7/DFI NF4 ULTRA D//Patriot Pc3200 LL CE-6 2gb@540 3,3,2,5/7800GTX/OCZ Modstream 520/LLPC75 swiftech H20.
link?
A64 X2 4400+@2.7/DFI NF4 ULTRA D//Patriot Pc3200 LL CE-6 2gb@540 3,3,2,5/7800GTX/OCZ Modstream 520/LLPC75 swiftech H20.
and you can do 270 3-3-3-x with those?!?!
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...y_Code=DDR-PDP
those are the same thing right?
THANKS FOR THE INFO!!!
Yes sir. I was going to get thewm from Monarch though I think they are horrible with shipping and such. SoI bought 2 seperate sticks and they rock!
A64 X2 4400+@2.7/DFI NF4 ULTRA D//Patriot Pc3200 LL CE-6 2gb@540 3,3,2,5/7800GTX/OCZ Modstream 520/LLPC75 swiftech H20.
NICE!!! you made my day!Yes sir. I was going to get thewm from Monarch though I think they are horrible with shipping and such. SoI bought 2 seperate sticks and they rock!
Monarch is about $20 cheaper for a kit then newegg is separate sticks. do you think the kit will do as good?
when did you buy the ram?
I just got it yesterday. And as far as whats best?? Ive had better luck myself with single sticks. Same , no difference in the so called dual channel kitsNICE!!! you made my day!
Monarch is about $20 cheaper for a kit then newegg is separate sticks. do you think the kit will do as good?
when did you buy the ram?
A64 X2 4400+@2.7/DFI NF4 ULTRA D//Patriot Pc3200 LL CE-6 2gb@540 3,3,2,5/7800GTX/OCZ Modstream 520/LLPC75 swiftech H20.
i was about to buy them from newegg now but i see they cut me double for shipping! ill have to see what i can do about that
done...just ordered them from newegg. it was $30 more but if they are as good as yours then its worth it.
THANKS AGAIN!!!!
i will post back with results. i should have them by about the 17th
Cool, Im also at BE too..
A64 X2 4400+@2.7/DFI NF4 ULTRA D//Patriot Pc3200 LL CE-6 2gb@540 3,3,2,5/7800GTX/OCZ Modstream 520/LLPC75 swiftech H20.
I want pics of 270 please. It just doesnt make much sense. Not calling you a liar, but they switched off infineon if you can get that.
If I had BH5 doing 250 at 2.7v you'd want to see right? It's just not the characteristics of the chips.
Last edited by texuspete00; 08-13-2005 at 08:43 AM.
CPUZ verifiedOK well if you look up a few posts youll see 8 hours of memtest at 3 3 3 8
I can run these at 3,3,2,5 at the same speed too.
If you look in the 1gb/2gb data base youll see my SuperPI and cpuz vreified
Last edited by Gaspar; 08-13-2005 at 08:54 AM.
A64 X2 4400+@2.7/DFI NF4 ULTRA D//Patriot Pc3200 LL CE-6 2gb@540 3,3,2,5/7800GTX/OCZ Modstream 520/LLPC75 swiftech H20.
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