reason i didn't pre-order a venice or san diego is with amd bringing opto's 6 4-5 months forward for release, sorry dual core opto's, that means dual core desktops can be made also as they are the same chips less one pin and minimally altered mem controller if at all.

release for desktop dual cpu's is supposed to be today now as i expected same as optos. supposed prices are $550 for a 1mb total cache 2.2Ghz and $580 for the 2mb total cache 2.2Ghz, i suspect the first price is very wrong, and is probo gonna be a good deal cheaper and with 2.2ghz base speed, overclocked will be fine for gaming now, and over the next year clock speeds will barely rise, but apps supporting multithreads will become very mainstream so the chip will essentially get faster over the next year. bit more than i wanted to spend but will in 6 months to a year be way faster than a 3700 san diego. thats my choice