Quote Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR View Post
You're ignoring that we don't want the same thing. I don't want a processor that allows me to play games "smooth". I want a processor that allows me to play at 120fps constant with all the eye candy turned on. PhenomII is unable to do that at sane frequencies. It's freaking hard for an AMD CPU to do that, specially in "old" games that only use 1 core because of the low perfomance per core. With a 120Hz each single fps until you reach 120 is noticeable, plain and simple. 40 vs 60, 60 vs 80 is a huge difference. If PhenomII is enough for you then good for you and good for AMD, but here it just doesn't cut it. I will give you an example: playing TF2 with C2Q and i5, both at 4GHz. The C2Q is unable to provide constant 120fps, with minFPS in the 80-90's. The i5 is playing at 120fps constant. Big difference in gameplay, in a CPU limited game. There are loads of them out there if you use a fast GPU, and for 1680x1050 with AA the 5850 is a fast GPU. Is TF2 an old game?
Of course you won't notice this with a 60Hz monitor, but I do notice it. I don't buy the the typical "(insert low random number of fps here) is enough for smooth gameplay" BS, sorry.

In your Anand link you can see it clearly: AMD CPUs need a much higher frequency to reach Intel.
Well, its you that fired up from the blue in amd news thread that Intel OWNs amd and i wont get same gaming experience.I Will :-), because MY poor eyes dont see difference between 100 and 120fps thats for one.
I dont have 60hz monitor.I play on CRT, 100hz ,so my fps are i believe more "real" than any lcd,no lag, no processing and well i dont see difference .
Youre talking that phenoms can hardly do 120fps in situations where i7 line can, but youre also saying that you never tested.To be frank i never seen any tests with say a good midrange GPU like 5850 in games that can do 120+ fps with HIGH QUALITY settings.I would really like 4ghz smackdown (with PH2 NB upped too) and see about that.I am however pretty sure that with high quality settings all of the cpus would be GFX card limited :/.
You say that C2Q have dips in minimal fps that are noticable, that may be true, but the reason is could be memory controller built in and/or smaller cache.Remember this whole story about PH2 being "smoother" even if on average they werent ?And again thats going to be a problem only in old titles and only if you have 120hz lcd ,and only when you have powerful enough graphix and only when you notice that kind of thing .
So yea EVEN if your statements are true in TF2 and similar old game situations that PH2 would drop out sometims to mere 80-90fps, its not a BS that it wont be a problem for 99% of population.EVEN IF.
As a disclaimer i will say i dont play TF2 at all ;-).Dragon age is bettah :P.
As of now im stopping discussing architectural differences between i7 and PH2 in cpu limited game performance ,because it aint the topic of this thread.We just have to agree that we disagree .

Back on topic.Prices are insane! Any confirmation about 1035T price ?