yeah man and you have a vapo? im only running a stock mach1 and what your saying as about what my 3800x2 would do too. only thing is this 3800x2 would hit 3gigs at 1.55v wich read around 1.5v in windows and cpu-z so i never seen my crash but it would deff pull my evap temps down to around -30c/-28c wich was at about +3/+4c core temp... looks like i just may do what you did and buy the FX57 instead of a bigger X2 chip. well hey thx for sharing what you went thru with your x2 it deff helps me decide what i want to do...

thx perc,