hey how bad did that 4400x2 put off heat? im wanting to buy one to replace my 3800x2 and now im reading this i think i may want to listen to what you have to say cause i run phasechange too and i know already how much of a load this 3800x2 puts on my mach1 as it is!! i cant imagine what a bigger toledo core would do to it...

thx perc,