Overtaking DPC!

[SDX]

Well, now we are #2, time to brace the crunchers and pump out candidates. DPC isnt far away, lets show them what XS is made of! I think we can get 50k a day steady, lets go team!

Overtaking Dutch Power Cows : 268.03 Days | Gap : 5,510,922

Thats a bit skewed because Team Gaol did the dumps that has daily up higher than usual, but theres the goal people, theres the #1.

[Mr_Slinky]

well tomorrow is not a good day i have to shut down every computer i have since our a/c has stoped working and is 80+ in here and tomorrow will be close to 95 so i am sorry

[UCmajewski]

Well, now we are #2, time to brace the crunchers and pump out candidates. DPC isnt far away, lets show them what XS is made of! I think we can get 50k a day steady, lets go team!



Thats a bit skewed because Team Gaol did the dumps that has daily up higher than usual, but theres the goal people, theres the #1.

They are 5.5 million canidates away! Thats a lot! You could add the entire ars technica team frozen yogurt to our team and we still would be behind them. Yes they aren't as far away as when we first started we are definately gaining, but the stats lie due to the way they "dump" canidates. We would need to be doing around 60 - 70K a day to really have a realistic shot this year. What we need is more exposure, more members, and has anyone seen this guy ...............................

[Entity_Razer]

yhea we really need Plum Ugly back.....
Well Plum AND Jeff's full capacity.


Xeon rig going up end of august beginning of september + in school I may be able to use 2 Quad Opterons..... maybe I say... I'll also get a Dothan 2Ghz laptop.
So thats 3 Rigs, a AXP Barton 2500+@ 2400MHZ
Xeon rig 2.2Ghz LV's (1.6Ghz's to 2.2Ghz)
Dothan 2ghz

[Entity_Razer]

I checked their page on tweakers.net forum and I discoverd that apparently their buffers are empty

source:
http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/...ssages/1053636

Quote:
"Geen cijfers van de 15-de maar gezegd mag worden dat Team_Gaol ook toen ergens rond de 20K moet hebben geflushed Vandaag doen ze nog eens ruim 6K, het lijkt er dus op dat de buffers bijna leeg zijn. Tellen jullie even mee? Dan hebben ze over vier dagen heen rond de 65K geflushed"

Translation: (or what it comes to)
"Team Gaol must have flushed around 20k the 15th, today they dumped 6K. It appears the buffers are empty. Count along with me, in about 4 days they flushed 65k"


I do wonder how they do it. As UCmajewski finds it suspisius so do I I must say but......

They say themselve the buffers are empty so at the moment team gaol shouldn't be able to dump so much. If we can now ramp up and dump a nice bundel also we should be able to counter their dumps of the recent days.

Lets pick up the pace team

[UCmajewski]

I checked their page on tweakers.net forum and I discoverd that apparently their buffers are empty

source:
http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/...ssages/1053636

Quote:
"Geen cijfers van de 15-de maar gezegd mag worden dat Team_Gaol ook toen ergens rond de 20K moet hebben geflushed Vandaag doen ze nog eens ruim 6K, het lijkt er dus op dat de buffers bijna leeg zijn. Tellen jullie even mee? Dan hebben ze over vier dagen heen rond de 65K geflushed"

Translation: (or what it comes to)
"Team Gaol must have flushed around 20k the 15th, today they dumped 6K. It appears the buffers are empty. Count along with me, in about 4 days they flushed 65k"


I do wonder how they do it. As UCmajewski finds it suspisius so do I I must say but......

They say themselve the buffers are empty so at the moment team gaol shouldn't be able to dump so much. If we can now ramp up and dump a nice bundel also we should be able to counter their dumps of the recent days.

Lets pick up the pace team

Well people that do an incredible ammount of canidates daily lets say greater than 2,000 or higher ..... are spread out unless someone is doing a sporatic dump. Lets take our DDtung who relibles does 10,000 a day .... everyone on this team sees his production coming since hes got 170+ nodes and has bought more xeons then most small countries. He should be doing 10,000 a day! His production is spread out as correlating this many machines to dump all at the same time would take too much effort for anyone to do on a day to day basis. Plus no matter what he does hes going to dump in every 6 hours.

Now lets take this team_gaol in perspective they only have 70 nodes (havent checked recently, but at the time of these events it was around 70) and all this could be accounted for on their team stats page. Almost 70 machines ...... seems to be in order. Then they dump in 40,000 a day over 200,000 in a few short days. I see their stats and I notice all of them are doing on par for what they have except this Robert T. He accounts for almost all their production. I looks at his machines and its impossible for his multiple 5,000 sometimes 15,000 dumps. Every other hour they do a couple hundred then he'll come in a do the for mentioned dumps. Its not 6 hours a part and its certainly not all at once.

I decided to make a post about this in our forums .... some one from DPC / Gaol responds with a nicely laid out explanation .... This guy has infected many work machines and "milks them" at lunch time and the reason they dont have so many nodes is that they are all on a supernode, but it got me thinking how long is any lunch time and how many times does his company go out for lunch? Cause according to these dumps they have a 20 hour work day with three lunches and enough time during lunch to dump well over 100 top of the line pc's. This explanation raised a lot more questions than answered seemed too neat and by their stats impossible. Did he have 24 hour access to all his computers at work? He obviosily has admin rights so it could be logical he had 24 hour access to them, but this "milking" method mentioned before said he did it all at lunchtime. not according to their stats! It sounds like from that explanation and others also thought this .... He doesnt have the rights to run d2ol at work so he obviousily running the service hidden from users. Well this leads me down another path and its one I have some expierence with sneaking d2ol onto a machine without the users knowledge. The problem with this is that some idiot on one of his various machines is going to notice some thing using a) 50% resources on an HT CPU or b) something near 100% on a computer without it. Well trust me from experience someone always finds out. The user tells some random IT guy / sys admin and if they guy isnt a total baffon hes going to find it and destroy it. Maybe this Robert T. is this guy ..... would a sys admin knowingly put his job on the line for d2ol ? Usually not .... since it very much sounds that he doesnt have permission to run this or he wouldnt be out on his 3 breaks on his 20 hour work day. They most have been very long ones too cause it takes awhile to open the main d2ol task manager when you run it as a service which is the only way he could have manually update these.

My most damming evidence comes from the fact that they would do 200 a so every hour ..... a typical number for a mutliple machine network of 70 nodes. When they dumped in the big ammounts they always be 15,200 or 5,200 sometimes more but the xtra ammounts were erratic as they should be.
Well this leads me to believe they simply added a 15K or 5K dump. How on earth are you going to hit near the same dump everytime? You arent ..... and dont someone come in here and say 2 instances on a p4 ht = 4000.... well I got news for you buddy that 2nd instance isnt going to finish anywhere near as quick as the first one so he is wasting half his production and believe me he doesnt want me thinking hes got even more machines.

Heres the kicker the Team Gaol start page for d2ol in which they tell you how to "dump" "milk" etc your canidates instead of plain jane normal auto upload tells you the one file you need and the way to store xtra canidates on your machine (3 outta 4 steps on how you cheat) ...... doesnt take a rocket scientist to see how to cheat from that.

I have pretty much made up my mind about Gaol .... heck this dump if over wasnt nearly as big as the last one. Maybe as a result of my last post? Maybe someone found his services running (on his nearly 100 machines at his company that takes 3 lunch breaks during a 20 hour work day)? Maybe they want to play fair ? Well if you dont agree with me ... fine .... but you believe this team is 100% legit and you have some decent experience with d2ol ... I'm just going to have to shake my head at you.

[Syzzer]

Entity_Razer, please remember that the guys who are posting the stats for DPC don't know what is going on in the subteams. So the guy you're qouting to prove their buffers are empty does not know sh*t about whether their buffers are empty or not. I'm not with gaol, so I don't know either.

Nofi, but I have the feeling too much people start yelling things that suggest to cheating when someone at DPC does a dump. Maybe som of you guys should realise there Ã:banana:s a reason why we are on top, its that we do can produce some numbers of cands .

YES, u guys are going way faster then we are and YES at this speed you will get us. It's very hard to get people within DPC to switch to D2OL while we are the no. 1 with the no. 2 being at not even 1/2 of our total cands.

Now it's up to you to prove u can still reach your goal. I'm looking forward to the end of the year!

Now I don't even know why I really strarted typing this post, so I'll just shut up :p

[L0$t Pr0PhEt]

Looks like we are doing about 1000000 candidates in a month so we should be 6 months away before overtake (if our production stays this way).

[enzoR]

no cuz as he just said, once we get near, more of DPC will switch to D2OL. We gotta increase production by loads to get them.

[Syzzer]

@UCmajewski:

OK, first of all, I'm not here to represent Team_Gaol or their specific dumps.

Secondly, you can't take a look at the number of node's registered at D2OL to know how much PC's that member has running D2OL. The funny thing is you can have unlimited numbers of machines running under the same node number.

At the third place, since D2OL does not need te register DLL's or things like that, it is easily to copy a fresh D2OL folder right after install, put a node number inside and edit the config files to set buffers to 2000, reduce the 6-houres update time to a couple of minutes and make sure no screens will pop-up when starting d2ol. Now, the dumps can be regulated easily by opening and closing the ports D2OL uses to flush using your firewall/router/proxy/whatever. Every self-respecting sysadmin should be able to come up with this. With a little of programming experience it is even possible to write a program that can edit the config files on your demand. Run it on every PC running a node and it is possible to set large numbers of nodes to online, offline, on or off, every setting you want with a couple of keystrokes.

Number four. apparently you guys just like big numbers at your daily's every day. 'Megadumps' are not popular within the XS team. In DPC megadumps áre popular. It is a nice way for smaller member, like the subteam I am a member of, to get some attention in the stats. The result of smaller members doing 'megaflushes' is that the lager teams also start harvesting and doing big dumps to get on top of the list with largest dumps ever done.

A nice example of a subteam that does all the things I mentioned above is DPC_ICA_COWS. They have some office where they are allowed to run D2OL, they flush almost 0 cands on a regular day. But them, when there is some reason to flush, like a birthday from a team member or so, they can produce 200K++ dumps. THeir last dump was spread over 2 days, because the internet connection could not handle the huge amounts of cands.

I dont know anything specific on the dumps of gaol, I'm just trying to explain we at DPC have a different way of making DC fun. Huge dumps are fun to us. However, when after every big dump, that should deserve respect, a topic raises at XS where some people start calling DPC cheaters, I just have to think of my little brother and how he starts to act when he can't win a game of monopoly...

So, let's just keep on crunchin' and see whether you can make it to be the #1 before 1-1-2006.

[WaltS_2]

Heres the kicker the Team Gaol start page for d2ol in which they tell you how to "dump" "milk" etc your canidates instead of plain jane normal auto upload tells you the one file you need and the way to store xtra canidates on your machine (3 outta 4 steps on how you cheat) ...... doesnt take a rocket scientist to see how to cheat from that.

I have pretty much made up my mind about Gaol .... heck this dump if over wasnt nearly as big as the last one. Maybe as a result of my last post? Maybe someone found his services running (on his nearly 100 machines at his company that takes 3 lunch breaks during a 20 hour work day)? Maybe they want to play fair ? Well if you dont agree with me ... fine .... but you believe this team is 100% legit and you have some decent experience with d2ol ... I'm just going to have to shake my head at you.

I read this and went reading on Team Gaols webpage. I saw their megaflush instruction and almost turned off all my computers.

What is the point of this if someone can cheat like that(after applying the forth step)?

EDIT: I'm not saying that the fourth step is explictedly stated on the site. It is a between the lines thing. But it is easy to figure out.

[Korpse]

What is the point of this if someone can cheat like that(after applying the forth step)?

my point exactly i like running d20l for competition but if there are cheats you cannot see then i really dont know why im risking my home,life and money on this DCing.

[WaltS_2]

my point exactly i like running d20l for competition but if there are cheats you cannot see then i really dont know why im risking my home,life and money on this DCing.

Exactly. I bought 2 whole computer since I got into D2OL because I thought it was a competition. I had to keep ahead of whoever I could with pure computer power.

Now it is just a joke. Anyone could build up some points and have massive dumps every day and nothing could be done about it.

[Entity_Razer]

LOL


DO MY EYES DECIEVE ME?
IS DPC TALKING DIRTY TO US :o

Someone of team Goal commented "laat ze dit maar eens vertalen" so I decided to do it

Source:
http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/...ssages/1053820

Quote from DPC:
"Overall staat het gespuis van XtremeSystems nu in onze nek te hijgen (Bah, tandenpoesten jongens, en douche eens goed. Stinkt gruwelijk naar zweet)"

Translation By: Entity Razer (Hey DPC jongens, op XS zitten ook vlaamssprekende mensen hoor *wuift*)
(translation of my comment : Hey DPC guys, here on XS we also have dutchspeaking people you know *waves* )

Now for the right translation:
"Everywhere the vermin of XtremeSystems is breathing down our necks (yuk, Brush your teeth guys and shower for once will you? Stinks horribly of sweat)"

Good thing is they say themselves in 3/4 of a year we'll have overtaken them.
Bad news is, (news I read there) They are planning a stampede. For you that don't know what a stampede is, it's a month lasting event where DPC organize like a fundraiser but with distributed computing programs. They encourage people to run D2Ol or any other distributed client on their comps for one month in order to so called help the team out/ contribute to charity

Good thing we have people like me and Lost_prophet etc here @ the D2OL crew who are dutch speaking (yhea we have a lot of other dutch members to like rocker and jupiler and a whole bunch of others )

Now, LETS GET THOSE RIGS FOLDING GUYS

Lets REALLY start breathing down their necks shall we? (hint: eat a lot of garlic so they're disgusted and just drop out )




EDIT:
They removed step 4 it seems. Now they only have 3 steps on how to megaflush

What was step 4 anyway? (not that it matters because I like to play fair, but you got me interessted now )

[Korpse]

If ppl are cheating like this is its a damn shame! not only are they cheating themselves,teammates,other teams but worst of all there cheating the god damn ppl at Sengent (or who ever uses our cands to help them) >.<

ps - team figgles_vio wont be dumping dialy from now on, we will do tiny "mega dumps" of 500 each or so whenever we work that many

[WaltS_2]

If ppl are cheating like this is its a damn shame! not only are they cheating themselves,teammates,other teams but worst of all there cheating the god damn ppl at Sengent (or who ever uses our cands to help them) >.<

ps - team figgles_vio wont be dumping dialy from now on, we will do tiny "mega dumps" of 500 each or so whenever we work that many

I think it wrong to everyone involved in the project. Like DDTUNG who invested a LOT of money in his crunchers and people are cheating to catch up to him. This whole situation sucks.

P.S. Entity_Razer
If you really want to know P.M. me. I don't really want to post it on the open forum.

[Entity_Razer]

Ok I know what step 4 was, this isn't even funny. Thats just plain outrageus............



these "people" are playing with lives. Why did I and a lot of others do D2Ol and distributed folding? Because it would help people get better, but if you do their step 4 you don't contribute anything anymore.


Thats just cold and bitter!


if Goal reads this:

SICKOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! find yourself another project to cheat on, create your own d2ocheat project and do that. At least then you can't harm anyone with your cheating.

[UCmajewski]

@UCmajewski:


I dont know anything specific on the dumps of gaol, I'm just trying to explain we at DPC have a different way of making DC fun. Huge dumps are fun to us. However, when after every big dump, that should deserve respect, a topic raises at XS where some people start calling DPC cheaters, I just have to think of my little brother and how he starts to act when he can't win a game of monopoly...

So, let's just keep on crunchin' and see whether you can make it to be the #1 before 1-1-2006.

Just agree or disagree their output is suspicious ! Why isnt anyone (DPC / Gaol) answering the question ? Are you actually going to look at this objectively or rant ? Heck someone from DPC came into my gaol full of it post and said other DPC users has doubts to their output as well.

Also did you read my post I admitted that d2ol was easily modifibly its one of my points for cheatin as well as another point that no one in there right mind would sit there (presumably on one of their 3 lunch breaks) and mess with these settings on houdreds of computers. Wouldnt it make more sense that they would just install service and let it be? Heck that takes awhile to ! Have you ever done this on more than a few machines? I ve done it on 20 in a row and its a chore.

Im not even going to respond to you because .... you didnt read my post and you havent answered any of my questions so why dont you give another shot?

Okay if D2ol is monopoly I guess we are the fast moving boot piece and DPC is the slow hat. You guys may have board walk and park place with hotels on them ..... but we got all four railroads and get out of jail free card

Guys dont get discouraged even if Gaol is cheating they still cant beat us! Theres no reason to give up now ..... they are really hard to stomach, but they dont make up for the whole team. This whole D2ol DPC/Gaol megadump thing sounds like a pile of megadump, but heck we still got our sights set on them. Dont worry about them ......lets just keep the eye on the prize we made it this far.

[WaltS_2]

Okay if D2ol is monopoly I guess we are the fast moving boot piece and DPC is the slow hat. You guys may have board walk and park place with hotels on them ..... but we got all four railroads and get out of jail free card

Yes but they keep dumping the same 20,000 candidates there is no way to pass them.

[Entity_Razer]

indeed. If they see us closing in and dump 40K PER DAY for a week (their so called buffers) we don't stand a change of comming withing striking range of them

I don't say we should cheat, HELL NO, i'd rather quit D2OL then do that, but it's something we need to beware of. Maybe we should start building up reserves ourselve also so we can counter their ffreacking cheatdumps

[Entity_Razer]

I posted a reply about comments made here:
http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/...06955#23806955

What it comes down to is that they say that our blood just begins to boil when we hear the word Goal, that we know so much about cheating that it's suspisius (post above my statement )

This is what I posted and a translation for it:
"
Ik ben Entity_razer hier en daar op de forums

En de naam gaol doet ons bloed zeker niet koken. Ver van. We houden wel van wat competitie, maar een DUIDELIJKE cheat op je website zetten (Team Goal's website had 4 stappen tot een megaflush, waarvan de 4de stap nu weg is genomen en dewelke het is waar iedereen @XS zo nijdig over is.)

Wij houden zeker wel van wat concurrentie, en echt, al hadden jullie nu ineens een spontane opzwelling aan mensen die meededen en jullie ons ferm in het stof zouden doen bijten, daar hebben we geen problemen mee. Waar er wel problemen mee zijn op XS is dus wederom het cheat gedoe. Ik zeg niet DAT jullie cheaten, maar de mogelijkheid die jullie OPENBAAR MAKEN is wel ziekmakend.....

Veel van XS twijfelen op momenten aan de integriteit van Team Gaol en ik blijf eerlijk gezegd neutraal t.o.v goal (behalve dan dat ik de cheat op zich gewoon weerzinwekkend en ziekmaken vind als iemand dit zou doen in een project dat bedoelt is om mensen TE HELPEN). Only time will tell want dan zal DPC zich echt mogen bewijzen. Als Goal ZOU cheaten dan hebben ze daar nu de kans toe, maar eens XS te dicht komt kunnen ze geen cheats toepassend ie hen erg grote voorsprongen geeft op ons en dit continu doen omdat het dan wel erg hard opvalt he jonges. BTW indien er ZOU gecheat worden, stop er gewoon mee jongens. Jullie geven DPC een slechte naam, jezelf een slechte naam en jullie ZULLEN gebanned worden anders van D2OL project en mogelijk van andere projecten....

Nu neem het me niet kwalijk dat ik dit even vertaal voor de mensen @Xs en in de "overtaking DPC" thread zet.

Cheers

Vriendelijke groeten -- Entity_razer en Xtreme Systems D2OL team"

-- My post @ the forum

Now for the translation

"
Hi, I'm Entity_razer here and at the Xs forums also.

The name Goal does not make our blood boil, not by a long shot. We like competition but putting an obvius cheat on your website(Team Goals website had 4 steps to a megaflush, step4 has been removed now and thats the one people @ XS are p i ssed about.)

A lot of XS is doubting the integrity of team goal and I try and remain neutral concerning Gaol (except the fact that I find the cheat just sickening and replusive in a project ment to HELP PEOPLE). Only time will tell because DPX will really have to prove itsself. If Team Goal is cheating then they havbe the chance to do so now. But they won't be able to once we are to close without araising suspission. Doing very big flushed and constantly would arouse suspision now wouldn't it people?

BTW if cheating WOULD be taking place, guys please just stop it. You are giving DPC a bad name, giving yourself a bad name and you WILL be banned from D2OL or possibly even other projects also

Now, pardon me if I go and translate this for the peopel @Xs and put it in the "overtaking DPC" thread

Cheers

Kind regards -- Entity_razer and the Xtreme Systems D2OL Team


I hope everybody can understand what I mean with the post and will back me up on my statement. We don't dislike team Gaol but putting an obvius cheat on your website is not only stupid because people will know right away its also immoral and offensive to the other party's in the project.

Gonna drop it now and do another 3Dmark run for the grand prix (GPU needed time to cool down ) Cheers and have fun all

[RocKer]

Just to let you now guy's,more DX power is coming.

At the end of this month i put yet another DX to work,and at the end of august i put DX #3 to work,and(if i find the money)also a A64 3200+ and XP 1800+,so my farm grow's .

So hopefully in September i will have,

2 x 1.6gh LV @ 3.1gh(one is ES)
1 x 2.0gh LV @ 3.1gh
2 x a64 3200+ @ 2.4gh
1 x XPM 2600+ @ 2.4gh
1 x XP 1800+ @ 2.3gh
1 x PII 200mhz

This is 16.8gh D2OL power that give's +-1370 cand p/d .

[Korpse]

shizz! nice going Rocker

[Syzzer]

Just agree or disagree their output is suspicious ! Why isnt anyone (DPC / Gaol) answering the question ? Are you actually going to look at this objectively or rant ? Heck someone from DPC came into my gaol full of it post and said other DPC users has doubts to their output as well.

Now, lets change roles. As I stated in my previous post, I was one of the people asking questions about the 40K dumps. So, clearly, yes I did think the dumps were suspicious. But then they came up with an explanation and I can't do anything more then choose to beleive it or not? Did you read mý post?

Within the DPC team, my subteam is a competing with Team_Gaol, so besides the moral reasons, I also have competitive reasons to place their dumps in doubt. Now you may decide whether my approach is objective or not.

Also did you read my post I admitted that d2ol was easily modifibly its one of my points for cheatin as well as another point that no one in there right mind would sit there (presumably on one of their 3 lunch breaks) and mess with these settings on houdreds of computers. Wouldnt it make more sense that they would just install service and let it be? Heck that takes awhile to ! Have you ever done this on more than a few machines? I ve done it on 20 in a row and its a chore.

Once again, read my post! As I stated before it is not difficult to set up a D2OL node at a lot of PC's at the same time.

Because you don't seem te be able to come up with a solution to various of your problems: All you need is the rights to execute a program from a remote location and a netwerk drive where a clean D2OL install including node.prp and config files suited for your needs is to be found. Now, let all machine's execute a .bat with instruction to copy this folder to the harddrive and intrustions to run a .reg thats makes a link to de executable in your Run regkey. Run the .bat on all machines (hell, you might even make a .bat to do that if the numbers are really large) and you're done. Now, is it really so difficult to come up with something like that?

Im not even going to respond to you because .... you didnt read my post and you havent answered any of my questions so why dont you give another shot?

[...]

I can't speak for Gaol, since I don't know what is going on within their subteam. That means that I simply can't answer all your questions. If you got some left that you think i should be able to answer, feel free to ask them.


Also I think there is a misunderstanding, but I'm not shure about this. First, someone states Gaol has '3 out of 4 steps to cheat' on their stats pages. Then someone says the 4th step was removed. Now, I would like to know whether the 4th step actually was there. Did one of you actually see this 4th step? I could not imagine it would not have been noticed by other subteams within DPC. Then again, I must admit I haven't seen their page about megaflushing at all, so I'm going to take a look at it right now.

[WaltS_2]

Also I think there is a misunderstanding, but I'm not shure about this. First, someone states Gaol has '3 out of 4 steps to cheat' on their stats pages. Then someone says the 4th step was removed. Now, I would like to know whether the 4th step actually was there. Did one of you actually see this 4th step? I could not imagine it would not have been noticed by other subteams within DPC. Then again, I must admit I haven't seen their page about megaflushing at all, so I'm going to take a look at it right now.

I don't think the forth step was ever spelled out on the site. But it is pretty clear how to do it after reading how to do a megaflush.

UCmajewski said 3 step out of 4 were on the site on how to cheat.