AMD Turion 64 2800+ First Look!!

[ozzimark]

i wish you luck

o/t, what is the difference between the 4/8 bios and the 4/15 bios? could dfi have already gotten the mobile 3700+ micro-codes in?

[reject]

Your link is to a 939 Diego. I know it's essentially the same core as the Turion, but I think you may have posted the link in the wrong thread.

hahaha im a idiot

[WiCKeD]

OPN is TMSMT30BQX5LD, for anyone looking...
http://www.ocworkbench.com/index.stm (check the bottom)

[i found nemo]

wtf they have a turion mobo, hold on 754 has 754 pins still right? i have the latest bios in order to support new turions HOPE FULLY but they have their own mobo???? wtf

[Vandi423]

Here they are!!!!

[Vandi423]

But there is something wrong with one of them. It may not be something major and it may still work. But I would never even think of selling this to anyone.




Either AMD rushed this sucker out or someone at the distributor did this. Either way this should have never of been shipped out to me.

I already called to RMA. They are going to pick it up from me.

[ozzimark]

ouch. that little chip is barely noticeable, but there.
looks awesome otherwise. can't wait for some test reports.

[Vandi423]

ozzimark, its nothing compared to your lovely chip.

[ozzimark]

heh. this is true. upon remembering this, i bet that cpu does work. best to be safe anyhow.
while on that topic, do you notice any curvature to the core, even in the slightest? i'm hoping amd has figured out how to put that metal coating on the die properly by now

[tristancarton]

ff, you plan on giving us a good run down later on this week when you receive your chip? (come on sacrifice a few hours for us kids here. i want to see the good old single channel dfi giving the non-released venice chips a good run for their money) s754 dead. i think not.

oh and vandi you have a pm. hehe.

[Vandi423]

heh. this is true. upon remembering this, i bet that cpu does work. best to be safe anyhow.
while on that topic, do you notice any curvature to the core, even in the slightest? i'm hoping amd has figured out how to put that metal coating on the die properly by now

I'll try to take a picture tomorrow when there is some light in my house. BTW they're kinda Metallic Blue. Very pretty, I kinda feel like keeping one now.

[i found nemo]

hey ship one to me i'll test it out and i MIGHT send it back lol btw why do all the chips say 2001, this is 2005...right???

[reject]

the a64 project started back in 01 i think

[frostedflakes]

ff, you plan on giving us a good run down later on this week when you receive your chip? (come on sacrifice a few hours for us kids here. i want to see the good old single channel dfi giving the non-released venice chips a good run for their money) s754 dead. i think not.

oh and vandi you have a pm. hehe.

Of course.

I should have all day Friday, some of Saturday, and all day Sunday to tweak. Don't worry, I'm not going to leave you guys hanging.

[tristancarton]

just wanted to update. well i am joining you ff, vandi is hooking me up. (you rock) i should have a turion mt-34 by wed, thurs, or friday. i will update with results from my dfi ut250 later this week with alot of testing on saturday and sunday. (graduate in june with ece degree. have midterm and program due on friday so no extensive benching till then.)

again vandi thanks. ff seems you and i are going to have some fun this week.

[conrad.maranan]

Keep us all posted. I'll enjoy seeing what you guys can pull off.

[frostedflakes]

just wanted to update. well i am joining you ff, vandi is hooking me up. (you rock) i should have a turion mt-34 by wed, thurs, or friday. i will update with results from my dfi ut250 later this week with alot of testing on saturday and sunday. (graduate in june with ece degree. have midterm and program due on friday so no extensive benching till then.)

again vandi thanks. ff seems you and i are going to have some fun this week.

Good to hear.

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

I want chips! anywhere to get them in canada? i need to replace my 35W 2800+ newcastle, I want 90nm, SSE3, and 1MB L2 cache~

[frostedflakes]

None that I know of, but I'm sure Vandi423 would be more than willing to ship to Canada. I believe he still has an MT-34 left (unless he decides to keep it) and will have a replacement ML-37 soon.

USPS shipping shouldn't be more than $10-20 for such a small and lightweight item. Just make sure to have him mark it as a gift to avoid customs charges.

[ozzimark]

i would definitly like that MT-34
however, i've kinda had my hopes set on the 3700+ mobile for a while now, so i dunno what to do.

[shuRe]

whats to great about the 3700+ mobile? im guessing it does 2.4g stock and its not guaranteed to go much furthur than that, maybe 2.6g. how expensive is it gona be as well!

from what i seen these new turions doing 2.2 at 1.1vcore, they would be the best bet?

[tristancarton]

shure you are correct the new mobile 3700 is 2.4ghz 1mb cache at stock. the thing that is so special about it is that it is a s754 90nm chip with a 12x multiplier (and 1mb cache) on the e stepping. it is probably a turion that couldn't make low voltage but did well in the binning speed category.(still unsure how amd bins their chips. voltage first then maybe speed afterwards?) in any case based upon earlier e stepping results and one or two turion shots this mobile will be very fast. 130nm desktop 3700 usually make 2600 with a little voltage and good cooling. 90nm with new memory controller and without lid should go a few hundred higher. (*note: i said hopefully. more info on how turions do when given voltage will come later on this week when ff and i get our chips.)

ozzi, yeah i really wanted to wait for the 90nm 3700 mobile as well but i figure i will play with this turion for a while and see how she does. if i don't like it i can sell it and keep my 3400 mobile or buy a 3700 mobile when they come out.

also seems as if amd is switching all of the mobile claws to 90nm e stepping based upon the way they changed their tech docs. so maybe a cheap 90nm 3000 or 3200 mobile would be the best performance/price.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_10220_10221^10222,00.html

whats to great about the 3700+ mobile? im guessing it does 2.4g stock and its not guaranteed to go much furthur than that, maybe 2.6g. how expensive is it gona be as well!

from what i seen these new turions doing 2.2 at 1.1vcore, they would be the best bet?

[shuRe]

ah my bad, i thought they were just regular 130nm

[saaya]

i asked amd about the 3700 mobile, its running with 1.35v they said, so it really looks like its a san diego 90nm core!

price is 330$ not bad for a mobile san diego!!!

too add to that, the latest dfi nf3 bios adds "revE cpu support"
whether that includes turion/newark is beyond me though

the only revE vpus that need a new bios to work are the san diego chips
so if they update their bios for revE it means they will support turion chipsi guess, easy as that

thx a lot Vandi423! beautifull!

and if amd really changes all mobiles to 90nm then turion is going to be some sort of a ulv version then... interesting... now we will not only have to figure out if its worth to get a cheap desktop chip, or a more expensive mobile chip, but have also to check the ulv turion chips for oc/$ !

[blueworm]

Is there any hope for those of us with K8N neo. will the 3700+ 90nm need a new BIOS?