Impressive 6200 Overclocks

[eviLRuLeZ]

propaganda
why isnt he posting here?
poor...

[Kargatane]

Said he was trying to post but couldn't for some reason.

[GSJ]

Maybe Ackbar could help us... he is experienced in this mod...

Ackbar, where are you master? hehe.

heeeelllppp us!!!

[zakelwe]

" hay ive been try to post to you for 5 day now and cant get on the site
i had a 6200 like yours and it work good the 6200 is 64 or 124 out of the box you haft to set your bios in the computer not the card after you get it set in the bios it will unlock with all the seting post you seen sadly i lost my 6200 3 day ago i was testing
dont push it to hard "


This guy cannot post to a website
This guy can however fix a motherboard BIOS so it enables an extra 4 pipes.

Go figure, as Mastercard would say ..... priceless.

That's the motherboard BIOS that only can control the rate and buffer size of what is going from and to the card and not what the gpu/vpu on the card is doing. For example you can set fast writes but you cannot set gpu/vpu speed through the BIOS nor the screen resolution.

I get the feeling that desperate people are starting to reach out for the bottle of snake oil from the quack.

Regards

Andy

[AlterBridge86]

damn this thread has grown a lot since i was last here..hehe...anyways, i've been absent in search of a vmod for the core as i've maxxed myself out on default volts..unfortunately softmods aren't possible...i've got the vmem mod working wonderfully..now to just get the vcore...hopefully i'll have some more data to work with soon..anyway, for your situation kargatane...don't listen to that guy that PM'd you..to begin with, if he can't get on our site then i'm not quite sure how he PM'd you..lol...and second of all, the motherboard bios does not control ANYTHING regarding unlocking the pipes of your GRAPHICS card..lol...it seems that A4 may be a new core revision that permanently locks out those pipes, although that certainly sounds a little far fetched..there has to be some way to get them to open, especially since it shows them as being there...i think if nvidia wanted us to stop unlocking them they'd simply use the TC core instead of the 6600 cores...either way, i'd be interested to see if we could find you a Chaintech 6600 bios that you could try and flash with, perhaps it will unlock the pipes...despite my bios flashing not doing exactly what i had hoped (permanently unlock pipes) it may be different on these core revisions...i'll take a look around, see if i can find a AGP 6600 bios from Chaintech...and if anyone else here has a 6600 chaintech please post, we can provide you with instructions to save your bios right off the card. Thanks!

[Kargatane]

That's exactly what my thought was, how is anything in the MB bios going to alter the pipes on the VC?

A 6600 bios might be nice to try if I could find one. I wonder though, what would be the effect of flashing it with the bios from a different company? Maybe even flashing it with the bios from another 6200 that easily unlocks the pipes?

The funny thing, is this card is in my junk/test system along with a s754 2800+ sempron that I've been too busy screwing with the video to even try and see what I can pull out of the sempron.

[zakelwe]

I just did a 22340 for 6200/6600 DDR1 but can not publish scores and did not get screen print

Feeble I know

More to come this weekend.

Regards

Andy

[GSJ]

Ok... so now what we need is a 6600 AGP Bios...

ah, and 256Mb.

there is anyway to change this in Bios? the quantity of memory...

someone have a friend with a 6600? send us the Bios!!!

thanks.

EDIT: hey, i was searching for the 6600 256mb cards... just to compare to my card.

Ok, watch...

EVGA GF 6200 256MB/picture:

Now see AOPEN GF 6600 256MB AGP, the only difference it is the cooler... even the capacitors are in the exactly same position...

And in last, but not less important... hehehe, the chaintec 6600 256mb AGP... exact the same has the evga 6200 256mb


So... i was thinking, all these cards have the same core, even the 6200... and they are so similar...

there is no why for a bios change to make the 6200 work like the 6600.

what you think guys?

[AlterBridge86]

you're absolutely right GSJ - all 6200/6600's use the exact same core and exact same PCB design, which is why vmem and vcore mods are universal for these two cards. The only time it changes is at 6600GT which uses the same core but different PCB design due to the fact that it has GDDR3 and needs different power specs. The bios is a very strange thing though, and i don't know why. When i flashed my card to a gigabyte 6600 w/128mb ram it simply booted into windows as a "NV43" and not a geforce 6600 or 6200..i actually had to force a driver install to get it remotely close to working. even then it was all screwed up, so i just flashed back. I"m not sure of results other people would get from flashing however, so if anyone feels like giving it a shot, let us know what happens

[GSJ]

you're absolutely right GSJ - all 6200/6600's use the exact same core and exact same PCB design, which is why vmem and vcore mods are universal for these two cards. The only time it changes is at 6600GT which uses the same core but different PCB design due to the fact that it has GDDR3 and needs different power specs. The bios is a very strange thing though, and i don't know why. When i flashed my card to a gigabyte 6600 w/128mb ram it simply booted into windows as a "NV43" and not a geforce 6600 or 6200..i actually had to force a driver install to get it remotely close to working. even then it was all screwed up, so i just flashed back. I"m not sure of results other people would get from flashing however, so if anyone feels like giving it a shot, let us know what happens

Hi AlterBridge86! well ... it is really strange... maybe we got to try different bios, from another manufacters... like u have tried Gigabyte, we should try other bios...

The problem is how to get them, i have just sent an email to AOPEN. hehehe, i tell a litle lie... asking for their bios, let's see what happen.

Where did u get that bios?

CYA!!!

[conrad.maranan]

I wish I could help you guys out with the VCORE mod, but my card has been sitting idle since the death of my last Ultra-D. My intention was to perform the VCORE mod immediately after I soldered up the VMEM mod, but my board died shortly after a few test runs.

Take a digital multimeter and start poking around the CORE area of the card. You'll either find the right spot to pencil/solder, or render your card as a sacrifice to the p\/\/n3D gods.

[royhobbs]

OK, 14 Pages of stuff and it comes down to this. I'm about to buy, I'm
inviting a poll for whoever wants to help me decide. Money.. is.. burning..
hole.. in.. pocket... must buy!!!

Here's what I am down to: (Note, I'm trying to go cheap, and I have AGP, but there are some great deals if I move up in price a little)

$102 at Newegg - CHAINTECH nVIDIA GeForce 6200 Video Card, 128MB DDR, DVI/TV-Out, AGP 8X, Model "SA6200-128MB" -RETAIL

$121 at Newegg - Leadtek nVIDIA GeForce 6200 Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-Bit, DVI/HDTV-Out, AGP 8X, Model "A6200 128 TD" -RETAIL

$125 at Newegg, $129 at Zipzoomfly(Shipping Included) - eVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6200 Video Card, 256MB DDR, 128-Bit, DVI/TV-Out, AGP 8x,
Model "256-A8-N327-LX" -OEM

$135 at ZipZoomFly - Asus N6600/TD GeForce 6600 AGP 8X 128MB DDR Video Card w/TV-Out & DVI Retail ***Free 2nd Day***

$159.90 at Newegg (Refurbished) - REFURBISHED: XFX nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT Video Card, 128MB GDDR3, 128-Bit, Dual DVI, AGP 8X, Model "PVT43AND" (OEM, BAREBONE) (limit 2 per customer)

If I go with 6200, I'm hoping to unlock and maybe overclock a little.
If I go with 6600 I'm just hoping for middle ground performance.
If I go with 6600GT I'm obviously going to get performance, but refurbed?

Thanks to any and all for help!

[conrad.maranan]

Just get the GT. It's got DDR3 so your memory clocks will be a lot sweeter. So what if it's refurbished. The price is nice.

[AlterBridge86]

GSJ - there is a site www.mvktech.net which has bioses for everything practically..being that the 6200's are new their selection isn't that great, but they still have a lot of bioses and whatnot..they are also the makers of the wonderful NiBiToR geforce bios editor. Good luck with AOpen, lets hope they're nice

Conrad - when you gettin that DFI back bro? did you RMA it? you've been without it for weeks now!!

[conrad.maranan]

I've had my 3rd Ultra-D for a while now. RMAs with Newegg only take a week. I'm prepping the board for subzero temps, which is why it's not getting put to use. I'm also waiting for the FX57 to come out before I start playing again. As soon as that CPU is released, I'll be up and running pronto. And yes, I'll give the 6600 one last run with a VCORE mod before I retire it.

[AlterBridge86]

nice conrad - what exactly do you do for subzero? and what kind of subzero? just a vapo or a chilly cascade? All i do to "prep" is put the foam down and the thermal paste on the socket like asetek tells me too..lol..let me know!

[Ackbar]

I got my Ultra-D in today. I tried doing the pencil mod, but I used a mechanical pencil since I don't have any actual pencils sitting around... that didn't cut it.

In any case, I'm getting some more "goodies" in tomorrow, maybe I can push past AB86's scores...

[Ackbar]

BTW- AB86, what do you use for ramsinks? BGA ramsinks are too small, do you use one and center it or do you just try and put two of them on there?

[conrad.maranan]

This is going to be my first attempt with something other than air cooling. I take that back - my Celeron 300A was peltier/air-cooled.

I'm basically going by the guide published by LardArse. chilly1 phase change units are what I'll be rockin' for both the CPU and GPU. My buddy, ronacevedo, still has a surplus of Flourinert in his garage. I think I'll eventually go submerged in the summer time with either a chilly1 cascade or a set of his DI/LN2 containers. We'll see.

[Ackbar]

You guys and your phase... I'll probably go to water eventually, but I really hate messing around with my system once it's in place. I really don't want to have to worry about cleaning the water and everything like that. I want something that cools without anything beyond minimal maintence. For now, that means air.

[DrJay]

you're absolutely right GSJ - all 6200/6600's use the exact same core and exact same PCB design,

wrong. There is a different (shorter)pcb being used by some manufacturers. It isn't any longer than the part of the pcb that held by the mobo agp clip. There also appear to be many differences between pci-e and agp cards.

Jay

[conrad.maranan]

That's why I just skipped H20 and went straight to the cold stuff. I'm at that point where I just want a little bit more. Submerging my system in Flourinert will probably be the personal highlight of my OC career. After that, I'll be content.

[Ackbar]

wrong. There is a different (shorter)pcb being used by some manufacturers. It isn't any longer than the part of the pcb that held by the mobo agp clip. There also appear to be many differences between pci-e and agp cards.

Jay

That's funny... I don't remember typing that...

Dr. Jay, you should go back and look to see who you got that quote from. Well, the PCB's aren't all EXACTLY the same, but they're pretty d close! The AGP cards all have a PCI bridge chip.

[AlterBridge86]

wrong. There is a different (shorter)pcb being used by some manufacturers. It isn't any longer than the part of the pcb that held by the mobo agp clip. There also appear to be many differences between pci-e and agp cards.

Jay

right jay - i should have been more precise...i meant a majority of the pci-x cards are exact core and exact pcb design..a lot of the agp cards have that short pcb, and i guess they're being adopted on the pci-x now...

conrad - thats nice, chilly1 cascades for cpu/gpu - i'd like to throw a cascade on my gpu just to see what kind of clocks this 6200 can do..lol...anyways, good luck with your project, hope all goes well this time!

[conrad.maranan]

Most nVIDIA cards are allergic to the cold. There aren't too many who have been successful travelling down that road.