Amd Volcanic Islands details

[Lightman]

Tahiti at 1,05 GHz is on maximal TDP, imagine +20 percent bigger chip with higher clocks = 30 percent above Tahiti TDP = First One GPU card with TDP of dual card? - Impossible.

Yes, but you can't calculate it like that because it's new ASIC. Tahiti was AMD's first 28nm GPU on new process they never designed for. It's more reasonable to extrapolate from Bonaire, but you would still be miles off.

Let's wait for more specific leaks before announcing doom and gloom

[dasa]

Titan is somewhere around 32-33 percent faster than a 7970 ghz at the highest resolutions. Particularly if you have a wider range of games to dilute the effect of something like dirt showdown. If hawaii is 2 percent faster than titan, most would not consider it faster. Most people will consider it more or less the same speed. It needs to have something tangible and to me that is 40 percent faster than a 7970ghz.

so 18 games none of which are dirt showdown and some are heavily optimized for nvidia should count?
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/P...Stream/26.html

still it seems were bickering over less than 10% now close enough imo as it all comes down to the games tested the age of the drivers used and often more significantly the level that is used to test the game
and unless they come out with a 6g version at lunch the titan is still better even if no current games can make use of it


it will be interesting to see what they have for us

[jvc]

Yes, but you can't calculate it like that because it's new ASIC. Tahiti was AMD's first 28nm GPU on new process they never designed for. It's more reasonable to extrapolate from Bonaire, but you would still be miles off.

Let's wait for more specific leaks before announcing doom and gloom

Agreed.

[Ace123]

Take this article with a grain of salt considering the source..... We all know how everyone feels about this writer. But........
R9-290X could actually be replacement for 7970, NOT r9-280 which will be a 7970 refresh much like Nvidia has done moving the gtx 670 down one slot with minor enhanents/cripple? And calling it a gtx 760.
This could explain why the specs for the r9-280 looks almost identical to 7970?
http://wccftech.com/amd-volcanic-isl...hd-7000-cores/

[tajoh111]

so 18 games none of which are dirt showdown and some are heavily optimized for nvidia should count?
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/P...Stream/26.html

still it seems were bickering over less than 10% now close enough imo as it all comes down to the games tested the age of the drivers used and often more significantly the level that is used to test the game
and unless they come out with a 6g version at lunch the titan is still better even if no current games can make use of it


it will be interesting to see what they have for us

Grid 2 is the new dirt showdown. It also employs global illumination, is made by codemasters, gaming evolved, a racing game and has a rather unusual performance advantage. Two have two racing games by the same makers is kind of redundant. It isn't as big a genre is FPS.

Most reviews are smaller than techpowerups lineup. And when you include 4 games out of 6-8 games which employ global illumination, you get a monster boost for amd. Twiwmtbp games are simply becoming rarer and rarer. Even games that at first had the initial performance advantage for Nvidia, have worked out to be favor AMD hardware now, like max payne 3. Some titles that were gaming evolved have reversed like crysis 3 or far cry 3. But games which employ global illumination have consistently performed better on AMD hardware.

Also aside from borderlands 2 and maybe assassins creed 3. I don't see any other game that really gives Nvidia an edge in games.

10% is huge in a review in an overall average. 7 percent was enough to sway people for the gtx 680/7970 upon initial release.

If AMD can get a 20 percent increase over on the same node and process and an increase in size of 20%, that will be good enough. It will be just as impressive if not more when AMD got 40% increase over a 6970 with the initial 7970 which had a new architecture and a new manufacturing node(basically allows doubling of size) going for it.

A modest increase of 15-20% percent over a ghz edition when the clocks were so high is not doom and gloom, it is a realistic increase that will keep AMD in the game until 20nm hits.

It will put them in a better position than the last generation(6970/gtx 580) because titan is so overpriced, as is the gtx 780. It will be easy for them to make profit with good margins as they can price their products relatively high compared to last generation. Enough to offset the cost the bundle is costing them.

If AMD case price the card at 550, have similar performance to a gtx 780 while having a 3 game bundle. That is already value right there and plays to AMD strong suit.

In addition, even if Nvidia releases a faster version of both cards, they are going to be supply limited. a 550mm2 chip is significantly bigger than a 430mm2 chip.

[zalbard]

Tahiti at 1,05 GHz is on maximal TDP, imagine +20 percent bigger chip with higher clocks = 30 percent above Tahiti TDP = First One GPU card with TDP of dual card? - Impossible.

Not impossible. But unlikely.

Tahiti has pretty bad performance/watt. No reason not to see an improvement. Nvidia even managed to improve GK104's perf/watt with release of GK110, and Kepler is very efficient to begin with.

[BababooeyHTJ]

Some 7950's are famous for not hitting high clocks.

Yeah, ok. Like I said every one of the four 7950s that I had hit 1100mhz on air and did at least 1200mhz on water.

Your chances of hitting a dud clocker on that $650 GTX780 are much higher than a sub-$300 7950. I have no doubt about that.

Just do your homework and be sure that you don't buy one of the few voltage locked Tahitis.

[Linchpin]

Yeah, ok. Like I said every one of the four 7950s that I had hit 1100mhz on air and did at least 1200mhz on water.

Yeah huge sample size there....or not.

[Olivon]

Yeah, ok. Like I said every one of the four 7950s that I had hit 1100mhz on air and did at least 1200mhz on water.

Your chances of hitting a dud clocker on that $650 GTX780 are much higher than a sub-$300 7950. I have no doubt about that.

Just do your homework and be sure that you don't buy one of the few voltage locked Tahitis.

I had a 7970 Dual-X and it was not so good regarding overclocking.
I bought that because of non voltage restriction compared to nVidia.
However, I was disappointed by the huge vdrop and low margin to play, indeed, this card was restricted too but nobody told me nothing about that.
Finally, I sold it.

[LightSpeed]

Every 7950 ive used have at least managed to hit ~1075 on air and this XFX Double D i have manages 1150 on air with an accelero (the stock cooler sucked). These really are comically underclocked and the boost edition pointlessly overvolted (Bonnaire sorts out the frequency/turbo/voltage issue)

[Piledriver]

Titan is faster than 7970? Well 7990 is faster than Titan

It's hilarious all this titan talk, it's been years that AMD makes smaller competitive dies and keeps the performance crown with it's dual gpu card.


It's been years that some people are reduced to brag about a card beating another card that is almost half the size, and to when Nvidia finally puts a new arch when AMD already done it months ago, to brag how AMD it's late.


August 2013


Oh yeah AMD is in trouble, with a new arch coming up, it can only get worse

[boxleitnerb]

^ those are APUs, you should look at dGPUs.

And you might not have noticed it, but dual gpu is not comparable with single gpu. Never has been. Microstuttering (even with frame metering/pacing), input lag, profile dependency...apples and oranges

[Sparky]

^ those are APUs, you should look at dGPUs.

And you might not have noticed it, but dual gpu is not comparable with single gpu. Never has been. Microstuttering (even with frame metering/pacing), input lag, profile dependency...apples and oranges

I know the pic has no real context, but given that nvidia is listed, and nvidia has no APUs, that chart can't be just APU only but rather all GPUs (APU included I suspect).

[PedantOne]

AMD officially confirmed 25th of September - Hawaii presentation


SUNNYVALE, CA -- (Marketwired) -- 09/18/13 -- AMD (NYSE: AMD) today announced that it will webcast a special product showcase taking place at the AMD GPU '14 Tech Day event Wednesday, Sept. 25, 2013 at 3 p.m. EDT.

A real-time video webcast of the showcase can be accessed on the Investor Relations home page: ir.amd.com. A replay of the webcast can be accessed approximately one hour after the conclusion of the live event and will be available for 30 days after the event.

Additionally, viewers may access the webcast on the AMD Gaming Facebook page and AMD's YouTube channel. A replay of the webcast can be accessed on AMD's YouTube channel.

[zalbard]

Hopefully it's not just an announcement of an announcement.

[DefStar]

Oh I'm so ready for this release. Two months without a discrete video card waiting for AMDs new card. I'm glad I didn't dump $750 on one card from Nvidia...cause now I got $1100 to give to AMD for two cards!

[Jamesrt2004]

I just can't wait to get rid of my POS 7870 damn drivers suck real ass. Non oc'd never over 50c and it just reboots all the time due to driver failure, seems like this is the only card/model to do it

[DefStar]

I just can't wait to get rid of my POS 7870 damn drivers suck real ass. Non oc'd never over 50c and it just reboots all the time due to driver failure, seems like this is the only card/model to do it

Yeah, my 7950s did 1200 MHZ on air using an Arctic Accelero...the thing was way to heavy though. I got a water cooling loop now, so it will be fun/intersesting to see how far I can push my new AMD cards.

[BababooeyHTJ]

I had a 7970 Dual-X and it was not so good regarding overclocking.
I bought that because of non voltage restriction compared to nVidia.
However, I was disappointed by the huge vdrop and low margin to play, indeed, this card was restricted too but nobody told me nothing about that.
Finally, I sold it.

Can't blame AMD for that. Their reference models work great and are very well built.

Honestly it seems like every time that I see complaints like this its from some non-reference XFX card. You should always do your research before buying any non-reference model

I just can't wait to get rid of my POS 7870 damn drivers suck real ass. Non oc'd never over 50c and it just reboots all the time due to driver failure, seems like this is the only card/model to do it

Sounds like a hardware issue to me. I've even had unstable overclocks cause vga driver issues.

[tbone8ty]

maybe cat 13.9 whql will help

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=381555

[LordEC911]

Hopefully it's not just an announcement of an announcement.

Well they will be announcing when the release date is.

[madcho]

Around 5.5b transistors


a monster

[kuroikenshi]

I just can't wait to get rid of my POS 7870 damn drivers suck real ass. Non oc'd never over 50c and it just reboots all the time due to driver failure, seems like this is the only card/model to do it

if its a Ghz Edition I have had the same issue, I had mine RMA'd and had no issues since then

[Elmy]

I'm getting 4 of the new cards as soon as they make one with 6 mini displayports :-/

[boxleitnerb]

Around 5.5b transistors

Source? Or just a guess on your part?