AMD "Piledriver" refresh of Zambezi - info, speculations, test, fans

[tbone8ty]

nice to see trinity gpu can be tweaked past 1ghz

can the NB freq be tweaked as well for A10's?

cant wait to see memory OC with these, if i were getting one i definitely get 2400mhz+ kits

[god_43]

Ok informal I'm sorry but the way you approach discussion is kind of rude, same goes to intel fanboys.
For mine and I'm sure others sake I'm gonna kindly ask if you can argue in PM...

I don't believe anyone can keep up with your bickering and I couldn't believe that anyone would want to either...

i dont think he is being rude, i think he is annoyed. he got stuck in a circlejerk .

[Stukov]

First of all TDP does have a corelation with the power draw. They are related betwen. Because the heat it's produced by electrical power passing the tranzistors.
That's why an 125W TDP cpu consumes more power than a 95W Cpu.

No, THERMAL design power, its for designing heat sinks and cooling systems (which for AMD is the maximum point). What you want to talk about is ACP (Average CPU Power), which gives you the average power consumption for a chip.

[Nintendork]

5% only it's bad because FX 4100 it's bad. Amd made a trash cpu so it should have worked harder with Trinity/Pilledriver.
IB it's avesome because SB it's avesome, and because on LN did get a big jump from 6GHZ on 7Ghz.
And also IB has overall 5-7% performance improvment depends on aplication.

Personally APU doesn't make sense only on mobile, on desktop even if you spend 50$ more an i3 + dedicated graphics just make more sense.

As an AMD fanboy you shouldn't be so happy until the full picture it's clear, until the reviews are on. AMD it's now a master in bad surprises.
FX 8350 performance seems good but it will be ruined with another 10-15% more power consumption(if it is).
125W TDP doesn't translate clear in same power consumption. It could be more.
And AMD clear will not ruin it's new product with " 140W TDP" sign.


Let the results to speak for themselfes and then, do the praising to AMD.

It surely has more sense investing 50$ more to get an inferior dedicated gpu, no overclockeable cause of pci-e sub75w limit + no overclockeable cpu.

And that "dedicated gpu" will be probably the most basic, noisy, cheapo-cooling HD6570 + inferior DDR3 1600.


On the APU side you only invest $130 for the nice cpu(+OC), a nice gpu than when OC'd can stay toe to toe with the HD6750 and be way faster than the new HD7750 DDR3, sure it doesn't make sense

It also doesn't make sense when you see intel heavily investing in reducing power consumption and offering the "best gpu" they can for the mobile space. Sure, APU's doesn't make sense.



informal
We don't really need the NDA lift for Trinity, we already know from toms' previews. The only interesting thing will be OC capabilities on the gpu + power onsumption vs Llano.

[tbone8ty]

http://www.techpowerup.com/172817/AM...ktop-APUs.html

[Nintendork]

The boxes, so nice.

I already planned my system:

A10-5800K + Biostar HiFi A85X + G.Skill Ripjaws Z DDR3 2400

Who need's dedicated gpu? I settle to 1600x900 on 1080p monitor.

[tbone8ty]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/27/a...iew/#continued

sammy

[radier]

Reviews:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6332/a...-review-part-1

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/gra...-graphics.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...400k,3224.html

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-trin...nce/17272.html

[xdan]

It surely has more sense investing 50$ more to get an inferior dedicated gpu, no overclockeable cause of pci-e sub75w limit + no overclockeable cpu.

And that "dedicated gpu" will be probably the most basic, noisy, cheapo-cooling HD6570 + inferior DDR3 1600.


On the APU side you only invest $130 for the nice cpu(+OC), a nice gpu than when OC'd can stay toe to toe with the HD6750 and be way faster than the new HD7750 DDR3, sure it doesn't make sense

Any "inferior" vga it's overclockable 10-15%.
There are silent version.

The overclock(45-4.7ghz) i don't think it will be possible(cpu+ IGP) without an custom cooler which doesn't sound good for an HTPC/

Anyway where it's the upgrade path, what do you do when you need more cpu power?
AMD should have not split them in two sockets.

[radier]

On average, Trinity's high-end 384-core GPU manages to be around 16% faster than the fastest Llano GPU, while consuming around 7% more power when active.

Poor AMD. AMD fans can now "Cry me a river"

Also: AMD attempts to shape review content with staged release of info

[Blaber]

Good Job AMD with both how you handle these benchmarking websites & congratulation on releasing a fine chip within its intended price/performance range.

^^Haters gona hate.

[tbone8ty]

AMD attempts to shape review content with staged release of info

i hope the above link is discussed in its own thread and not make this thread out of control

[Daveburt714]

i hope the above link is discussed in its own thread and not make this thread out of control

If history repeats itself tbone (which it usually does), it's a good sign when Intel fans and biased websites start knocking a new chip in AMD threads right before it's released...
If anything, all this banter is giving me more hope that Piledriver cores will be a decent upgrade over Bulldozer.

We don't have long to wait!
Time will tell OFC, but the more negative comments I see from Intel folks only raises my hopes...

[Olivon]

People who buy only one brand have no lesson to give to other people. Fanboyism just sucks, blue side or green side, that's the same $hit.

[Daveburt714]

People who buy only one brand have no lesson to give to other people. Fanboyism just sucks, blue side or green side, that's the same $hit.

YEP! Things are looking even better...

[sdlvx]

Reviews:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6332/a...-review-part-1

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/gra...-graphics.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...400k,3224.html

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-trin...nce/17272.html

How is this bad? APU is more like a two core CPU and it's keeping up just fine with a true quad core part. And before you start on the "IPC SUX!!!" thing, I'm only going to let you whine about IPC if you apply it to GPUs as well and you say some NV GPUs are better or worse than some AMDs because they don't perform the same at the same clock speeds.

[Lmui]

If it does indeed come in at $130 and below, I think it'll succeed marvelously. There's a huge difference in comparing people who buy $200 i5 3xxx CPUs + $200 GPU to people who buy an AMD APU for a third the price. As long as the CPU performance is "good" (better than i3 3xxx in multithread, within a 8-12 percentage points single) I can't see AMD not doing well with it. Given the clockspeed and the throughput from the previews/rumours though, I wouldn't be surprised if release prices were closer to the $150-160 mark for the top end model. At the very least it should succeed as much as the phenom II's did.

I've got time to wait though, I won't have money until internship pays off so I'll be stuck on my "ancient" phenom II 940 for another half a year at the minimum =/.

[FlanK3r]

AMD Trinity - only iGPU part reviews


http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...Preview/1.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6332/a...-review-part-1
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...400k,3224.html
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2043/1/
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/gra...-graphics.html many tetsing games and performance DDR3 clocks/FPS ratio
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-A...ce-and-Gaming/
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Process...rinity-Desktop
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-trin...#ixzz27eY1Tr76

[radier]

http://diybbs.zol.com.cn/11/11_103113.html

[informal]

You post an old news from March of this year?


@ FlanK3r
Thanks for the list of previews. Xbitlabs has an interesting page containing sysmark numbers. 5800K is pretty close to FX6200 and faster than FX4170. Pretty good results making it around 12% faster than BD with same core count and clock speed.

[aGeoM]

Legit Bottom Line: The AMD A10-5800K APU looks impressive in the game benchmarks and easily beat the Intel Core i7-3770K, which is a much more expensive processor!

Source: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2043/11/

[informal]

Why are you surprised that 5800Ks iGPU is much faster than HD4000 in 3770K? Even Llano is faster than 3770K when you look at iGPU performance...

[aGeoM]

Take it with irony. LOL

[Stukov]

Any "inferior" vga it's overclockable 10-15%.
There are silent version.

The overclock(45-4.7ghz) i don't think it will be possible(cpu+ IGP) without an custom cooler which doesn't sound good for an HTPC/

Anyway where it's the upgrade path, what do you do when you need more cpu power?
AMD should have not split them in two sockets.

I don't think the focus of OC an APU is the CPU side, but the GPU side. For example from xibit:

Graphics core performance proved amazingly scalable as the memory frequency and bandwidth increased. By simply raising the memory frequency by 266 MHz, we could boost the fps rate by 10-15%. Of course, as the memory frequency increased, this dependence becomes less prominent, but nevertheless, if you are building a Trinity based system and intend to use its graphics core for 3D applications, you must pay special attention to finding high-speed DDR3 SDRAM. This is excellent new for overclocker memory makers, because it creates potentially larger market for them. It is a very convincing argument that you can easily boost the gaming performance of your AMD A10-5800K processor by as much as 15-20% by simply replacing the common DDR3-1600 with DDR3-2400 in your Socket FM2 system.

If you want pure CPU performance you would probably get one of the PD FX processors and OC that. (or an Intel system)

Also if you saw one of the slides below they showed FM2 will be around for another generation, which means if you need more CPU power the Steamroller APU should get you some (no idea how much).

I also question the "staged release info", but I was thinking, since it is marketing department likely controlling this release, it does make sense to have focus on the GPU of Trinity before the CPU. Not "just" because you dont want people talking about the not as good CPU performance, but you will have everyone talking about PD vs BD. It does make sense to release CPU info for Trinity desktop the same time you as Vishera. That way you get a week discussing one of your strengths before the online conversation changes to PD vs BD (as it will).

[xdan]

Why are you surprised that 5800Ks iGPU is much faster than HD4000 in 3770K? Even Llano is faster than 3770K when you look at iGPU performance...

The comparation it's just epic fail.
They should have sad " the gaming performance of IGP"- because saying Intel Core i7-3770K, which is a much more expensive processor you can understand that if you buy a dedicated vga, 5800K it's better for gaming.
Also to put i7 3770k in this it's just something stupid.
To compare HD 4000 with Trinity you have the new IB i3 3225 with HD 4000 at 144$ even in Trinity 5800K target price.
To bring i7 3770k which it's another class cpu in that review was biased from the begining.

The people who buy i7 3770k, don't buy it for IGP performance , they buy it for cpu performance.