AMD "Piledriver" refresh of Zambezi - info, speculations, test, fans

[radier]

Great?? :f

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/2416290

5% faster compared to similar clocked FX-4100

[thematrixhazune]

Great?? :f

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/2416290

5% faster compared to similar clocked FX-4100

That 4100 has twice the memory though. Does 3dmark11 rely heavily on mem?

[informal]

Great?? :f

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/2416290

5% faster compared to similar clocked FX-4100

So 5% is bad now? Do you know what it takes in terms of CPU design to get 5% IPC increase? IB didn't get this much over SB but it's awesome!1!1!1!

Please if you haven't got anything meaningful to add stay clear of this topic. Thanks.

[radier]

Are you serious?

ty performance + 5% = still ty performance

IB over SB in this particular test is about 8%

[informal]

Yeah the 3.9Ghz IB (constant Turbo is engaged on IB in almost ALL workloads across ALL cores) vs 3.5Ghz SB that can rarely Turbo to full 3.9Ghz on all cores. There goes you 8% IPC out of the window.
Again if you have no clue about what you are posting ,simply don't post. Thanks.

Oh and "ty" performance? Sure you buy IB and shell out 200-330+$ in order to brag about your uber Physics score. 5800K will cost around 130$. Notice the price disparity?

[radier]

Listen AMD fanboy.

I was only comparing top Trinity with its closest predecessor.

[informal]

Oh name calling now,nice. I don't care about intel fanboys coming here and posting "slooow crap product" comments. Trinity is obviously faster and more efficient product than FX4xxx. It is priced according to its performance. If you cannot grasp this simple fact than nobody can help you.

[demonkevy666]

Are you serious?

ty performance + 5% = still ty performance

IB over SB in this particular test is about 8%

the 5% comes clock vs clock has no power consumption measurement.

piledrive FX 8350 is shown to have clock speed of 4.0ghz and turbo of 4.2ghz in most leaks

Taken that from a FX 8150 which has a clock speed of 3.6ghz vs the "leaked" FX 8350 as the same TDP (125 watts) with 10% higher clocks means

Over all Increase is 15%

[FlanK3r]

L3 is important for physics score in 3D11, so 5% is good for Trinity...And FX is not bad in overall score in 3D11...

[BeepBeep2]

All hail informal, great AMD fangod

[informal]

Thank you for the great contribution to the topic Beep.

[BeepBeep2]

Thank you for the great contribution to the topic Beep.

A little tongue in cheek

[tbone8ty]

What's up with the default gpu clock?

[informal]

It's 800Mhz but there is a bug in GPUz I guess. It's showing the power saving clocks. Effectivelly superkames achieved 46% overclock over stock on air cooling. AMD states 1+Ghz OCing in their recent newsletter about A10 ( “Break the 1GHz barrier on the GPU!”).

[RussC]

And until that happens we have what we have. What-if comparisons are valid only in theory.

I dont see it that way, the processor is a much better cpu than the current TIM/IHS system allows. There are 25+ examples in the forum just under this one of what the cpu is with what Ill call industry standard cooling systems ie soldered IHS.

it is the same as to say, FX could be good, if start clocks was 4/4.5 GHz because fail of Glofo ...

Thats a better analogy. Or, run FX with a max 250rpm fan, that would be equivalent also.

Since this is off topic, you can have the last word if u like.

RussC

[tbone8ty]

It's 800Mhz but there is a bug in GPUz I guess. It's showing the power saving clocks. Effectivelly superkames achieved 46% overclock over stock on air cooling. AMD states 1+Ghz OCing in their recent newsletter about A10 ( “Break the 1GHz barrier on the GPU!”).

So he did overclock the gpu to that high?

The 3dmark score seems low? Or is that good?

My 7660g + 7670m laptop gets p2300

[informal]

So he did overclock the gpu to that high?

The 3dmark score seems low? Or is that good?

My 7660g + 7670m laptop gets p2300

You have dual graphics... He has a single GPU and scores close to your 2 GPUs. For reference, stock 5800K gets 1200pts and Llano 3850 gets sub 1000pts. So yeah, it's a great score.

[xdan]

So 5% is bad now? Do you know what it takes in terms of CPU design to get 5% IPC increase? IB didn't get this much over SB but it's awesome!1!1!1!

Please if you haven't got anything meaningful to add stay clear of this topic. Thanks.

5% only it's bad because FX 4100 it's bad. Amd made a trash cpu so it should have worked harder with Trinity/Pilledriver.
IB it's avesome because SB it's avesome, and because on LN did get a big jump from 6GHZ on 7Ghz.
And also IB has overall 5-7% performance improvment depends on aplication.

Personally APU doesn't make sense only on mobile, on desktop even if you spend 50$ more an i3 + dedicated graphics just make more sense.

As an AMD fanboy you shouldn't be so happy until the full picture it's clear, until the reviews are on. AMD it's now a master in bad surprises.
FX 8350 performance seems good but it will be ruined with another 10-15% more power consumption(if it is).
125W TDP doesn't translate clear in same power consumption. It could be more.
And AMD clear will not ruin it's new product with " 140W TDP" sign.


Let the results to speak for themselfes and then, do the praising to AMD.

[informal]

Wow did I just read your whole post? Yeah I did. Can't get back those 30 seconds back now :P.

Anyway NDA is going to be over soon so we will know how good A10 is. As for Vishera ,there is no mystery. It has 11% higher clock and 0-10% higher IPC(so 5% average). Power draw should be on par with FX8150. Pretty clear picture.

[The Stilt]

SUPERKAMESs 3DMark11 score (if it is real of course ) would be heavily held back by the DRAM bandwidth.
The saturation of the DRAM bandwidth is around 164%, while the optimal would be 100% or less.

[xdan]

What held back, the memory was at 2133 which it's more than 1600 usually normal situation.

As for Vishera ,there is no mystery. It has 11% higher clock and 0-10% higher IPC(so 5% average). Power draw should be on par with FX8150. Pretty clear picture.

And the power draw of FX 8150 does look good to you? It should have been under FX 8150 with some 5-10% to be a real good product.
Anyway if the the power consumption it's FX 8150> than EPIC FAIL.

With AMD many "should have been" but they weren't.

And next year with Haswell AMD APU's will have a big competition.

[Stukov]

5% only it's bad because FX 4100 it's bad. Amd made a trash cpu so it should have worked harder with Trinity/Pilledriver.
IB it's avesome because SB it's avesome, and because on LN did get a big jump from 6GHZ on 7Ghz.
And also IB has overall 5-7% performance improvment depends on aplication.

Personally APU doesn't make sense only on mobile, on desktop even if you spend 50$ more an i3 + dedicated graphics just make more sense.

As an AMD fanboy you shouldn't be so happy until the full picture it's clear, until the reviews are on. AMD it's now a master in bad surprises.
FX 8350 performance seems good but it will be ruined with another 10-15% more power consumption(if it is).
125W TDP doesn't translate clear in same power consumption. It could be more.
And AMD clear will not ruin it's new product with " 140W TDP" sign.


Let the results to speak for themselfes and then, do the praising to AMD.

I'm trying to just watch thread for info on PD, but I gotta jump in. Firstly TDP stands for Thermal Design Power, its reference on AMD to the maximum heat created, thus needed for cooling systems. It isnt the power draw. Secondly saying APU doesn't make sense is just ludicrous. You think its better to go back to the days when you have to have 5 different chips on a board? Five separate cooling systems, increased cost for board design, the cost of having to synchronize and work more separate components from a variety of vendors, and increase power loads? There is a reason the entire industry has moved to move more of the computer system into one chip. Even Intel is doing this and done so successfully. You can ALWAYS add a dedicated card into a system (if designing the system or building yourself) arguing it doesnt make sense to include is, as I said, ludicrous.

Furthermore I don't see anyone arguing that Intel's chips aren't overall superior to AMDs so acting like or calling someone a "fanboy" when discussing what may or may not be improvement to AMD's designs is just plain trolling.

Can we please stop talking about Intel in this thread with exception to data extrapolation.

[xdan]

First of all TDP does have a corelation with the power draw. They are related betwen. Because the heat it's produced by electrical power passing the tranzistors.
That's why an 125W TDP cpu consumes more power than a 95W Cpu.

So 5% is bad now? Do you know what it takes in terms of CPU design to get 5% IPC increase? IB didn't get this much over SB but it's awesome!1!1!1!

Yeah the 3.9Ghz IB (constant Turbo is engaged on IB in almost ALL workloads across ALL cores) vs 3.5Ghz SB that can rarely Turbo to full 3.9Ghz on all cores. There goes you 8% IPC out of the window.
Again if you have no clue about what you are posting ,simply don't post. Thanks.

Oh and "ty" performance? Sure you buy IB and shell out 200-330+$ in order to brag about your uber Physics score

Can we please stop talking about Intel?

Yes please tell Informal to don't speak anymore about Intel, AMD it's his business, to saying Intel this/ SB that/ IB this...

You think its better to go back to the days when you have to have 5 different chips on a board?

You go way above what i sad... 1 dedicated VGA doesn't hinder your sistem space. Furthermore AMD APU requires stronger VRM than a MB with Intel i3 IB especially. So you cut in a place and put something in other.

exception to data extrapolation.

Power draw should be on par with FX8150
Very much data with this when already are rumours that it's higher. Just keep silence and hope it's not true.

[informal]

His friend and him mention IB and SB first and now the others are to blame. How typical of certain kind
If you don't care about this product and you think it's not good then just skip this topic. Go and post somewhere else.

[BeepBeep2]

Ok informal I'm sorry but the way you approach discussion is kind of rude, same goes to intel fanboys.
For mine and I'm sure others sake I'm gonna kindly ask if you can argue in PM...

I don't believe anyone can keep up with your bickering and I couldn't believe that anyone would want to either...