wow I could cut the tension in the air with a butter knife... of a 5970Originally Posted by SiliconDoc
wow I could cut the tension in the air with a butter knife... of a 5970
Wouldn't a 5970 be a double sided blade ? Would cut right through it, no doubt...wow I could cut the tension in the air with a butter knife... of a 5970Oh god yes, oh man it would cut right through... yeah the one to use.
The 480 would be the hot butter knife... melting through it, huh.
There, now... all the people calm ? Can everyone handle it ?
This game will be optimised for G200 for sure.
/prayer
I'll be happy if the game is just optimized better than the first.
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I see, so NVidia should just sit around, and do nothing, like ATI has been doing for so long.
Why don't we just demand TWIMTBP get shut down immediately, then games can come out at a snail's pace and many not at all. That would be great for all of us.
Perhaps we should have the world fairness league declare PhysX illegal, so ATI card owners can have some personal satisfaction because their lazy, butt broke ATI card master can't make anything like PhysX on their own...
I mean where do you want the successful profit making NVidia company to stop ?
Should NVidia just do all the work and pay all the money out, hire all the hundreds of people going to game companies and helping develop games, and just make certain all of it is set for ATI and works on all their cards, all for free ? Has ATI registered for welfare with the world standards board ?
Why doesn't ATI just surrender itself and hand it's company stock over to NVidia so we can get on with the above scenario ?
How come NVidia has to do nothing or do it all for ATI too, or "it just ain't fair" ?
Where did that concept EVER come from to begin with ?
If ATIcan't handle it and keep up, then maybe it should bow out, or sell itself to someone who can handle it and manage it, like NVidia, for instance.
I'm really sick of hearing NVidia get TRASHED at every single enthusiast website on the net, because ATI is epic failure and can do NOTHING about their crappy, tesselesser, aa crippled, no money to fix up games and drivers, loser from the wrong side of the broken debt tracks - giant PROBLEM.
It's not NVidia's fault that ATI can't do anything, right ? Right ?
Your
The bolded parts the only thing I agree with. Otherwise I don't agree with pretty much everything else.I see, so NVidia should just sit around, and do nothing, like ATI has been doing for so long.
Why don't we just demand TWIMTBP get shut down immediately, then games can come out at a snail's pace and many not at all. That would be great for all of us.
Perhaps we should have the world fairness league declare PhysX illegal, so ATI card owners can have some personal satisfaction because their lazy, butt broke ATI card master can't make anything like PhysX on their own...
I mean where do you want the successful profit making NVidia company to stop ?
Should NVidia just do all the work and pay all the money out, hire all the hundreds of people going to game companies and helping develop games, and just make certain all of it is set for ATI and works on all their cards, all for free ? Has ATI registered for welfare with the world standards board ?
Why doesn't ATI just surrender itself and hand it's company stock over to NVidia so we can get on with the above scenario ?
How come NVidia has to do nothing or do it all for ATI too, or "it just ain't fair" ?
Where did that concept EVER come from to begin with ?
If ATI
I'm really sick of hearing NVidia get TRASHED at every single enthusiast website on the net, because ATI is epic failure and can do NOTHING about their crappy, tesselesser, aa crippled, no money to fix up games and drivers, loser from the wrong side of the broken debt tracks - giant PROBLEM.
It's not NVidia's fault that ATI can't do anything, right ? Right ?
Your
AMD gets the love of an underdog in its graphic division when it obviously is not one anymore.
e.g when AMD has been getting its name on games and getting games optimized for them, e.g battlefield bad company and AvP, people are happy. When NV does it, people say they are boycotting it and then illegally download it.
As far as cards go, they are anything but failing at this point, NV in this respect is making them look good and is starting to make them look epic.
AMD has yet to make a fail card as of late beside the 5830. Everything else has been good to great. I can't say the same of NV. They only have 1 great(the gtx 460) card, maybe 1 good card(gtx 470) and the rest is mediocre. Hell I would even say some cards like the gts 450 and gtx 465 areand worse than fail.
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Oh sucks, now this thread turns into another fanboy jam session.
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Okay, i'll play along. AMD graphic gets goodwill, at least from me, nVidia mostly don't. Why ?
1. Card pricing strategy, eversince the sweetspot strategy was implemented, AMD cards have been offering mostly good to great value, i can't say the same over nVidia unless their back are on the wall (GTX 460)
2. TWIMTBP, it's totally okay to get first access & early driver optimization with this program, i even commend them for it. But pulling $h1ts like Batman MSAA blocking, Assassin Creed DX 10.1 patch debacle, over tesselating without in game option, etc, those are really annoying me as hell.
3. PhsyX and propietary stuffs, i don't really care actually if they make sure that it runs like crap on software (with CPU) & can only be run well with their hardware, but blocking competitor card as main rendering card while using their card as PhysX accelerator card, that's one big LOL in my book. This is PC world, hardwares should be compatible, and playing blockade game to suit your marketing interest best is a disgusting tactic from consumers perspective.
4. So many lies and PR spinnings, it gets tiring & exhausting in the end. I'm so tired with woodscrewed card and announcement of an announcement delay tactic, promising heaven while delivering dungs, they can shove 'em through their rear.
If nVidia cards offer great value & suit my need+preferences, i'll still get them in the future -just as my oldies GeForce 4 Ti 4200, GeForce 6600 GT, and GeForce 8800 GT can testify, but they have to win totally on merit, since i got no sympathy at all to the company that manufactures them at this moment.
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Let's face it, NVidia and the developer already have this figured. They know there are a certain number of raving red fanboys that under no circumstances would be caught dead saying a kind word about NVidia, and would also, given any public opportunity, avoid any TWIMTBP game, or at least screech publicly they would never buy it.
So NVidia and developer figure the non fanboys just shrug their shoulders and buy it anyway, even if they have an ATI card. Maybe the developer doesn't want raging fanboys buying their game, because those types complain and moan a lot about the game with conspiracy theories concerning their cards competitor. They probably don't want the nasty emails and grief. So, if fanboys don't buy it, they are happy.
Next, NVidia figures those looking for a videocard likely want to play Crysis 2, so it's likely that future purchasers that see your attitude decide they will buy an NVidia card so they can play CRYSIS 2 at maximum speed. More sales for NVidia that way. So complaining is good for NVidia.
Not only that, everyone who has an NVidia card already wants to buy it now that it's NVidia friendly. The installed Crysis 2 playable NVidia card base is what, 5 times larger than ATI's ? Something like that. So they WIN, period.
Your only hope is that everyone else that already hates NVidia as much as you do doesn't buy Crysis 2, which is probably not going to happen anyway, as the link angry monkey avatar guy showed - it was all NVidia TWIMTBP on the 1st Crysis, and it apparently sold like crazy for a long, long time.
Finally, they figure, like any sane human being or corporate person (I bet that drives you mad that NVidia is a corporate person) would figure, if they had an ATI card and it ran Crysis 2, they'd buy it anyway because there are a thousand other TWIMTBP games with massive NVidia dollars and programmers work pumped into them, and their ATI cards run those games anyway. In other words, they're banking on sanity in the general populace.
So, although it sounds all protesty, and all hopefully that you can help stab a big knife in NVidia's back because "they screwed you" (according to you), it's much more likely that ATI will make sure the puniest of ATI cards can make a stab at running Crysis 2, although all of them only on the reduced tessellation textures they are limited by, anyway.
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Perhaps the only valid ATI card owner whine is: " Dangit ! NVidia did it again, they delayed another game I was drooling to play, Crysis 2, and all they're doing is pumping up the tessellation and my ATI can't do that worth a crap anyway ! - So I'm waiting for no good reason ! "
Yeah, now that maybe is a valid complaint. That complaint I wouldn't complain about.
Ok, I'm done cross examining.
Yeah, i'm pretty sure JHH sits with developers in a black room concerning about some dudes on forums.... makes total sense
Rocksteady invited AMD to work with them to get AA working on AMD GPUs, AMD declined. Likely the game wasn't at all on their radar. NVIDIA worked to get AA working on their hardware, and locked AMD GPUs from using NV's code to make AA work. Essentially, they told AMD, "No free ride today." AMD was never prevented from creating their own solution. Adding code was necessary since the game engine does not natively support anti-aliasing.
Assassin's Creed had DX 10.1 pulled because the implementation was broken. Specifically, rendering steps were being skipped in 10.1. The effect was slightly reduced IQ and artificially inflated framerates for AMD users (since NVIDIA lacked a DX 10.1 solution at the time).Oh, and the came crashed frequently before the patch, possibly due to a flaw in the DX10.1 implementation. While 10.1 is supposed to make AA give less of a performance hit, it's not supposed to reduce IQ.Ubisoft confirmed that the decision to remove DirectX 10.1 support was made by the game developers and expressly denied any external influence. Michael Beadle, a senior PR manager at Ubisoft, admitted that there was some co-marketing between Nvidia and Ubisoft, but he said that "had nothing to do with the development team or with Assassin's Creed."
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Of course dude, that the birth of marketing, three dudes from any given company looking up waves of trolling posts, that way they can make informed decisions....Yeah, i'm pretty sure JHH sits with developers in a black room concerning about some dudes on forums.... makes total sense
That's fine with your attitude for you, but I certainly don't share that nonsense. I'll reply with my perspective so you can see why, to your bullet points.Oh sucks, now this thread turns into another fanboy jam session.
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Okay, i'll play along. AMD graphic gets goodwill, at least from me, nVidia mostly don't. Why ?
1. Card pricing strategy, eversince the sweetspot strategy was implemented, AMD cards have been offering mostly good to great value, i can't say the same over nVidia unless their back are on the wall (GTX 460)
2. TWIMTBP, it's totally okay to get first access & early driver optimization with this program, i even commend them for it. But pulling $h1ts like Batman MSAA blocking, Assassin Creed DX 10.1 patch debacle, over tesselating without in game option, etc, those are really annoying me as hell.
3. PhsyX and propietary stuffs, i don't really care actually if they make sure that it runs like crap on software (with CPU) & can only be run well with their hardware, but blocking competitor card as main rendering card while using their card as PhysX accelerator card, that's one big LOL in my book. This is PC world, hardwares should be compatible, and playing blockade game to suit your marketing interest best is a disgusting tactic from consumers perspective.
4. So many lies and PR spinnings, it gets tiring & exhausting in the end. I'm so tired with woodscrewed card and announcement of an announcement delay tactic, promising heaven while delivering dungs, they can shove 'em through their rear.
If nVidia cards offer great value & suit my need+preferences, i'll still get them in the future -just as my oldies GeForce 4 Ti 4200, GeForce 6600 GT, and GeForce 8800 GT can testify, but they have to win totally on merit, since i got no sympathy at all to the company that manufactures them at this moment.
1. Sweetspot might work for a few dollars on a few frames with certain resolutions and generally zero or low AA, and a lack of other features, like game bundles, for instance.
Be aware I'm in the USA, and pricing is different around the world, so I've seen some complaints that look valid going in both directions for both companies, depending on the country the informer is from.
A few dollars for stable drivers, Cuda, PhysX, easy installing, a better control panel, free games like Warmonger, free screensaver PhysX, free Sled game, better video transcoding, etc, easily trumps a few frames or a few dollars when comparing of course, for ati fans "only a certain frame rate bench and $5-$10", or 10% total purchase price, for instance.
Besides, the prices are equivalent, not one better than the other. That's the real truth - at least in the USA it is.
I just can't do it for ATI for a few bucks if I can find the deal - all the added value, and stable drivers to boot, and a better control panel, and... it just goes on and on all in NVidia's favor.
2. Well TWIMTBP is part of the better drivers and gaming experience and added features like PhysX.
As far as Batman AA, NVidia never blocked ATI from making their own drivers.
Richard Huddy claimed in the Hexus interview he had his best programmer on it. He was vague and avoiding when he was asked if they "were blocked", because of course they were not. MUCH later a patch came out for ATI cards, and ATI and it's fans never said who made it or how it happened.
Seems to me ATI should do their own work from the word go, and not demand NVidia do it for them, or whine NVidia "locked them out" when it never happened.
What the ATI fans really wanted was NVidia's work to be open and free for ATI cards. NO- go do your own work, OR PAY NVIDIA enough $$$ that they let you use it !
How about ATI pay NVidia 25% of the costs of every TWIMTBP program since it helps games get released that run just fine on ATI cards.
In other words, ATI owes NVidia a lot of money, and a lot of THANK YOU's. That's the REAL TRUTH.
That's what is REALITY - without NVidia's big dollar gaming program, ATI would have far fewer games that run their cards.
ATI has been low on money for a long time and can't PAY UP like NVidia does for programming efforts.
Well, that's why NVidia drivers are better, period. They PAY $$$$$$$$$ to make them better.
I'm not going to play games and blame NVidia when ATI cannot deliver.
3. Use the HACK developed by NGOHQ, it's around, if you want PhysX with your ATI card as main. In FACT, Eran, who created the wrapper, got help from NVidia and got slammed by ATI, and publicly stated that ATI purposefully broke his wrapper in their next driver release, while NVidia had sent 2 programmers to help ERAN make sure it worked well.
If you don't like or don't care about PhysX, what is the problem ? No problem, your ATI card doesn't waste time running PhysX, so caring that NVidia has it is total hogwash.
The real problem is ATI card users want PhysX very, very badly, but they cannot admit that, lest they let on NVida cards are superior in saying so.
So, the end result is a bunch of ATI carders screeching NVidia has some crap PhysX junk that they are severely angry is blocked on/w ATI cards, even though they can't stand crappy PhysX and don't care about it.
Needless to say again, I don't believe the sideways words of it.
The truth is they want PhysX, and ATI hasn't anything like it (bullet is nothing to compare, -and developed on nvidia cards/ havok ha ha not that either), and isn't going to be making anything like it with the huge debt they have (since so many of their fanboys don't care for PhysX anyway as ATI hears - they could care less about it, too, huh. BACKFIRE !),
.... so the only solution is to SCREAM loud enough, in hopes that NVidia gives it to ATI for free, or some gigantic tyranny like the EU or some body of standards shoves some "open source" law down everyone's throat and NVidia is forced to port PhysX to open standard - the equivalent of a successful theft from NVidia, which of course would please the ATI fanboy immensely. So good luck on the big theft - NOT.
4. All I can say that's too bad you are that whacked out in the head over nvidia.
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Why in the world would I care about any of that spin you have, whining about their "spin" ?
I'm not here to run any corporation, tell them how to run it, nor pretend I have the only proper ethics capable of doing so, nor would I DARE make my card purchase dependent upon some crazed hate filled notion about some internet wacko FUD concerning either company's in question "morality".
What I do look at is all of everything, and that means with AMD/ATI's massive debt, little to no hired driver team people, lack of anywhere near by a very long shot TWIMTBP equivalent, and thoroughly beaten set of "added values", not to mention the fear of bankruptcy and collapse with the billions of debt- that would mean more stagnant and crashing drivers and problems.... there just is not a current contest.
So I base my decisions on sane and sound data and pretty stark facts.
I'm not going to support ATI because they are an underdog, or are perceived as an underdog "but really are not *anymore", or are so broke and in debt they might soon be screaming "Underdog Underdog!" " Help! Help Help !" like Sweet Polly Purebread...
And, I'm certainly not going to buy an ATI card because "they came out 8 months ahead of NVidia" as I was told to do when the 400 series and it's iterations were released.
I figure the latest release is probably going to be the best release when separated by as much as 8 months, especially in this industry, or rather, I just look at the competitors and compare.
I wondered how many people fell for that PR line "ATI was released 8 months earlier so you should buy it instead of the NVidia 400 series- it was "late" ".
I mean you have to be a moron to spew that one, or fall for it, and I saw it everywhere a lot.
So there you have it, more of my perspective.
I will say this, I am very much looking forward to seeing the 4D shader change that is rumored to be coming with Cayman [that was supposed to come with Barts (5830 rebrand) and did not]. It would be really nice to see ATI actually make a real change and not a rebrand from the HD2900 onward.
I also think that if they make that core change, enough of a core change, it is possible a lot of the driver problems and endless list of frustrations for end users and techs could clear up - I know it sounds like a fantasy and miracle unlikely to happen, but one can always hope for a change for the better.
PS - Of course NVidia is paying up for great and positive changes in Crysis 2, and of course it has been the plan for a long, long time - as gaming companies are well aware that NVidia assistance is at the ready - from the word GO - years ago - they banked on it.
DUH DUH DUH !
HAH! hey kitguru, how do jensens balls taste?With the GTX480, nVidia had a massive lead in graphics processing techniques
about nvidia sponsoring an ULTRA option in crysis2, if it actually does make the game look better, awesome!
i just hope its not like the AA in batman and assasins creed and all that other crap theyve pulled off...
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seriously, that has to be the most ill informed thing that ive seen for months, they dont want to make it better, how would they make it better by paying a dev like crytec who already has a 3d engine (not 3d vision) and already is pros at using tessellation, the only thing that this has any chance of doing is making the game suck for every1 like crysis 1. the g80 and its theoretical tri-sli were what it was coded for but guess what by making it for 1 gpu and what it should do with tri sli it ended up making it broken for every gpu and it made it so it would not scale. so if they are making it for what im thinking is a full GF100, it will suck for all as its ROP starved so we wont get nice dynamic textures (but its also on consoles so i doubt there will be good textures) and from 1st game do u really want a gpu specific optimization. so all that can come from this is requiring 3d vision for 3d, breaking physX configs so it wont work with the cpu and or uses 1 core, and it wont scale with future products.PS - Of course NVidia is paying up for great and positive changes in Crysis 2, and of course it has been the plan for a long, long time - as gaming companies are well aware that NVidia assistance is at the ready - from the word GO - years ago - they banked on it.
DUH DUH DUH !
+1, but u know they dont pay to get an option with more eye candy, crytec would put that out anyways since it makes them look good and gets the PR for their contracting on combat/flight sims.HAH! hey kitguru, how do jensens balls taste?
about nvidia sponsoring an ULTRA option in crysis2, if it actually does make the game look better, awesome!
i just hope its not like the AA in batman and assasins creed and all that other crap theyve pulled off...
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Why would nV send him engineers to make it work rather than just disabling the check themselves? Also have you forgotten that nV was programming their driver releases to work around his hacks? Why would they do that if they were helping him?3. Use the HACK developed by NGOHQ, it's around, if you want PhysX with your ATI card as main. In FACT, Eran, who created the wrapper, got help from NVidia and got slammed by ATI, and publicly stated that ATI purposefully broke his wrapper in their next driver release, while NVidia had sent 2 programmers to help ERAN make sure it worked well.
If you don't like or don't care about PhysX, what is the problem ? No problem, your ATI card doesn't waste time running PhysX, so caring that NVidia has it is total hogwash.
The real problem is ATI card users want PhysX very, very badly, but they cannot admit that, lest they let on NVida cards are superior in saying so.
So, the end result is a bunch of ATI carders screeching NVidia has some crap PhysX junk that they are severely angry is blocked on/w ATI cards, even though they can't stand crappy PhysX and don't care about it.
Needless to say again, I don't believe the sideways words of it.
The truth is they want PhysX, and ATI hasn't anything like it (bullet is nothing to compare, -and developed on nvidia cards/ havok ha ha not that either), and isn't going to be making anything like it with the huge debt they have (since so many of their fanboys don't care for PhysX anyway as ATI hears - they could care less about it, too, huh. BACKFIRE !),
.... so the only solution is to SCREAM loud enough, in hopes that NVidia gives it to ATI for free, or some gigantic tyranny like the EU or some body of standards shoves some "open source" law down everyone's throat and NVidia is forced to port PhysX to open standard - the equivalent of a successful theft from NVidia, which of course would please the ATI fanboy immensely. So good luck on the big theft - NOT.
ATi users do not want PhysX. They want the content that PhysX is holding back (most of it anyways, depending on the situation).
All along the watchtower the watchmen watch the eternal return.
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Ok, let's see what you said.
1. Nvidia is evil, they don't want to make it better
Conspiracy mindset...
2. Crytek is already a pro at tessellation (new DX11 stuff no one is a pro at yet, since new cards just came out using it, and not many games - in fact the best we have so far is a benchmark, NOT a game)
So Crytek couldn't possibly need any assistance?
I guess that works for ATI and ati fans... gee maybe that's why ati doesn't help game developers - no help needed ! roflmao
Hey, those hundreds and hundreds of programmers and card geniuses from Intel, Nvidia, and the few from ATI, we'll just tell 'em all to go home - forever, since you know it's already " easily done". WOWGreat, you've convinced me...
3. Crysis 1 sucked for everyone, according to you.
4. No G80 tri sli, so no Crysis fun ?Whoo hoo !
So a game that drives videocard and system development is bad ? "Can it play Crysis ?" - meant a lot of cards and a lot of computer hardware was sold, and that my friend, is good for all of us computer gamers !
Besides it runs w/ my 'crappy' vidcards, too - just not with the triple digits fraps a rockin'.
So, the problem was, the problem is, a game was made that wilted your epeenie ?
5. " it would not scale " - Well, I guess I'll provide a link.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...-sli-review/21 good enough ? near doubling on scaling... I know that's Warhead - same difference whatever- if not offer proof - and I'll destroy the rebuttal
6. " so if they are making it for what im thinking is a full GF100, it will suck for all "
One word: " UPGRADE ! "
Or downgrade, whatever, "it will suck for all and it sucked for all!!!" < that's YOU.
Also, the whine is rather pathetic since many, many, many games are not played on the high let alone highest settings by the vast majority of computer gaming cards.
If yer sys is like little sis, either do what 99% do in that case and go with the autodetect in Crysis, or don't play.
Just because it's a big game that requires big boys to play at the top, doesn't mean it's bad. Something has to drive the future, and without it - welcome to the 3rd world.
I suggest covering the tiny epeen if necessary, and not pointing out it's deficiencies.
7. " breaking physX configs so it wont work with the cpu and or uses 1 core "....
blah blah X87 blah .. blah... X87, blah blah, my cpu has only 1/5th or 1/10th the transistors and has to run the OS, but , but but, blah blah blah, tiny core cpu so few transistors but it can blah blah blah... blah.
The reason GPU's are online for the big compute is because they are HUGE compared to tiny silicore cpu's. A cpu just ain't gonna cut it until it grows 5-10X in transistor count size.
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Ok, you had such a sourpuss bad attitude there, I do admit I kinda feel sorry for you. I hope you can make it past this whole Mean Green Money Making Crysis 2 Machine thing of total total suck for everyone. Nice critique, I think the NYT may hire you.
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I think NVidia sent him the engineers because they were hoping it would make ATI play ball. In that case ATI would pay NVidia.
When AMD/ATI said no, alongside NVidia deciding then driver issues and cost of supporting that without ATI's official sanction, not to mention the threat of LAWSUIT from ATI or end users for "wrecking their cards" performance or burning them up with "proprietary code" - was just too much, so NVidia took the change in direction they had to.
PhysX isn't holding back any content - buy an NVidia card, PhysX delivers content, (or God forbid put the hack in. Heck, you know PhysX runs w an ATI card alone).
There's no have a right to what YOU DIDN'T PAY FOR ! You wanna pay for "the content" of PhysX, GO BUY THE NVIDIA CARD, or better yet, go make your OWN IMPLEMENTATION.
Ragging about a company who made something, and now people want to take it for nothing. PAY UP !
Look, the whole free Western World is based upon ownership of property. Unless ATI and Intel pony up some giant sum of $$$
It's not "take for free". Gimme gimme gimme, I want I want I want, and all the hatred the type spews at NVidia, coaxing that friendly freebie out with all that honey, huh.
I mean let's face it, if NVidia never gives the ati a speck of PhysX, EVER, just to grind it back as deserved, no one in the entire world could properly blame them.
Yeah, all that honey the wanters send toward NVidia, surely that PhysX "content" is on it's way....
Everyone knows the bottom line is if ATI pays enough, it's ported tomorrow. "ATI" is "broke".
Last edited by SiliconDoc; 11-06-2010 at 03:16 AM.
Well considering their target market is millions of people then yes the moans of random guys on the internet probably don't matter too much. It's fine for people to overestimate their importance or assume that a lot of other people feel the same way they do but these companies see the big picture and understand their demographic. All the marketing stuff is noise - most people will buy whatever product has the features they want. There's no notion of "fairness" in the real world when it comes to game or hardware purchases. The funny thing is you don't see console players talking about boycotting some 360 game because of extra content on the PS3. I guess in some ways console gamers are more grown up
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I just had to.... - since when tesselation has anything to do with textures hmmm?
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with 15 posts in just 2 threads, both of which he bashes the crap out of anyone mad at nvidia
i think someone needs to tone it down a little.
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So you take w/e the word of Nvidia+whomever they have paid off as gospel? Right, and OJ had nothing to do with those murders either.
You know people are skeptical and rightfully so, you may buy the corporate line they and Ubisoft put out, but many don't. Each person has a right to decide for themselves, and if that creates ill will towards Nvidia, well boo-hoo, they can figure out a way to win it back.
Nvidia was much loved in the 800GTX > 8800GT era, but the stunts they are perceived to have pulled off; their pricing, rebranding, aquiring ageia, blocking the use of ati cards, dropping support for the ppu, all of these things have contributed to a change of heart for a lot of people. I don't see how Nvidia can't realize their actions will have reactions.
EDIT:Also, I've had about a dozen Nvidia cards including the Riva 128, my first "gpu". If you followed Nvidia back then they were ANTI-glide/propietary. They were all about open standards, DX and OpenGL vs Glide and the like. They are doing the exact samething they complained 3Dfx was doing with the physx situation that they have created today, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I hope that Intel can up their game, I think Nvidia would have to play by a different set of rules if so.
Why are ppl even taking what Kitguru says at face value is beyond me.
Last edited by Rai; 11-06-2010 at 05:12 AM.
Dear Mandican,
You just happened to have post #2 or #3, and since you - ummm--- "are mad at nvidia", it was convenient to quote your one liner while I made my points. In other words mandican, it's not personal, and who could bash that cute little avatar pic you got there you little sweetie you.
Furthermore, you really don't want me to go through this thread from page one and respond to all those who "are mad at nvidia", like you falsely claimed I did, do you ? Because I left a lot of those posts out of the picture.
Yeah, I know you don't... you don't have to answer that.
Hey, you have your opinion, I have mine, I made my points with logic and courtesy.
You're no longer angry at nvidia because I made so many good and unassailable points ?
I think so.
See, you're happy now.
Last edited by SiliconDoc; 11-06-2010 at 05:17 AM.
A wise man would realize that starts with the feeding, on page 1.
Well, let's face it, it was a full course meal with 2 desserts, and a bottle of wine for the road, well aged.
" wow this is turning just as bad as physx "
Yes, so... plenty of food offered up, they stuff someone they ought to expect some output.
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