Case Design for Liquid Cooling

[Waterlogged]

No, actually, this is a good idea. I'm sure a lot of people would like to use this in Skinnee's GTX 480 waterblock roundup thread as well...

Like this?






Yes, I just made that.

[tsukuyomi]

it should read more like, Is it ready yet?

[[XC] Oj101]

?

[Alexandr0s]

Like this?






Yes, I just made that.

Hhmm, you know, there are several other buildlogs that could use such a pic . Maybe showing Cap'n Flint some love with this pic will give us updates .

[kinghong1970]

Hhmm, you know, there are several other buildlogs that could use such a pic . Maybe showing Cap'n Flint some love with this pic will give us updates .

waddabout Naekuh's builds...?

[Alexandr0s]

waddabout Naekuh's builds...?

Yeah, but I think I kinda gave up on those. Sorry Naekuh .

[Church]

kinghong1970: everybody knows, that those will never be completed. So makes no sense to post there, it will be just yet another rhetorical question.

[Alexandr0s]

kinghong1970: everybody knows, that those will never be completed. So makes no sense to post there, it will be just yet another rhetorical question.

Maybe this ziptie chair will convince him to continue ?

[kinghong1970]

damn... where can i get one of thems ziptie chairs?!?!?

i was doing some cable management when my girl asked me...

"daddy, what is that?" (pointing to a ziptie on my hands...)

"honey, this is a little wonder we call zip tie... if we had this about a hundred years earlier... we'd be flying through space..."

it's kinda like when Bubba started the recipies of shrimp...........

ziptie to fix laundry rack
ziptie to lock broken patio doors
ziptie to lock travel bags
ziptie to lock zipties together
ziptie to...

the uses are endless...

hahaha...

[Alexandr0s]

damn... where can i get one of thems ziptie chairs?!?!?

i was doing some cable management when my girl asked me...

"daddy, what is that?" (pointing to a ziptie on my hands...)

"honey, this is a little wonder we call zip tie... if we had this about a hundred years earlier... we'd be flying through space..."

it's kinda like when Bubba started the recipies of shrimp...........

ziptie to fix laundry rack
ziptie to lock broken patio doors
ziptie to lock travel bags
ziptie to lock zipties together
ziptie to...

the uses are endless...

hahaha...

Totally, zip ties are probably the best invention of the 20th century, together with paper clips. Ow how many times have those lil' bastards helped me to get into small spaces. Not to mention their uses in cable sleeving .

[Nicksen]

How did you get into zip ties? This is a case log!

[Church]

What can people do when they get bored of waiting for case?

[Alexandr0s]

How did you get into zip ties? This is a case log!

Yeah, when a topic is dying, we seem to have a habit of drifting of into oblivion .

[kinghong1970]

Yeah, when a topic is dying, we seem to have a habit of drifting of into oblivion .

but don't worry tho... give it a bit of time and someone's gonna come back and post one of thems "are we there yet" posts...

Mick... imma going blind here...

[Alexandr0s]

Mick... imma going blind here...

Lawl, you could make him stop, but I guess you're enjoying it too much .

[WHICKED]

It almost seems to me that this case is not going to be made.

If you think about the cost factor that this would be the case would be horrendously expensive.

Depending on the type of aluminum the costs could vary drastically, as well as if the internal components are fabricated or they are from a seperate third party, the costs could vary drastically.

Now my opinions of the case are, it is a great design, allows for some pretty sophisticated watercooling configurations. Only issue is it looks, well... bland.

If there was a possibility of getting the sketchup files, I would make some modifications to make it look like a case that would not only look appealing, but also have some portablity built in. Other than putting wheels on the bottom.

So, here is my proposal Mick64. Be honest with this forum. Announce your "manufacturer", share your files or just say that you are not doing this project and it is an idea that you can not get the necessary resources for. As for me, with those files, I could turn out a system such as that in about 2-3 weeks for a prototype. But that takes in to account for material ordering, quality, and well producing the individual components.

So, there you have it Mick64. If you want to have a community oriented design, you should at least release your sketchup design. Do not get me wrong, your design is great, it just needs some sprucing up in detail and overall appearance.

Let me know if you want to share your file(s). I would love to make some modifications to make it even nicer.

Best Regards,

WHICKED

[UrbanSmooth]

Thread has gotten even more interesting...

[kinghong1970]

It almost seems to me that this case is not going to be made.

If you think about the cost factor that this would be the case would be horrendously expensive.

Depending on the type of aluminum the costs could vary drastically, as well as if the internal components are fabricated or they are from a seperate third party, the costs could vary drastically.

Now my opinions of the case are, it is a great design, allows for some pretty sophisticated watercooling configurations. Only issue is it looks, well... bland.

If there was a possibility of getting the sketchup files, I would make some modifications to make it look like a case that would not only look appealing, but also have some portablity built in. Other than putting wheels on the bottom.

So, here is my proposal Mick64. Be honest with this forum. Announce your "manufacturer", share your files or just say that you are not doing this project and it is an idea that you can not get the necessary resources for. As for me, with those files, I could turn out a system such as that in about 2-3 weeks for a prototype. But that takes in to account for material ordering, quality, and well producing the individual components.

So, there you have it Mick64. If you want to have a community oriented design, you should at least release your sketchup design. Do not get me wrong, your design is great, it just needs some sprucing up in detail and overall appearance.

Let me know if you want to share your file(s). I would love to make some modifications to make it even nicer.

Best Regards,

WHICKED

WHICKED,

interesting post bro... but... Mick's been working on this for such a long time and it's his passion...

i don't know you and seems you've only come to XS and so i'll just have to take your word for it but...

1) if you want to propose to be the mfg for this case, then why don't you sign a NDA with Mick and then ask for the plans?
2) if you can improve upon... well, mick's design in sketchup is pretty easy to replicate and you can find tons of reference files for the sketchup components that you can use... perhaps it's best for you to come up with your own design...
3) if you can produce a proto that quick... brother... can i be your friend?...

not asking to post some pics or for some creds but... in a way... i guess i am?

i'd be very curious to see some of your other projects.

as for who mick is workign with on this project... that's his decision... or he could also have gotten into a NDA agreement with the mfg as well?

just my opinion..

but seriously... post some of your work...

thanks!

[werdwerdus]

i agree with kingkong. Also what's to say you won't just steal his design? sorry but I didn't quite like the tone that came through with your post whicked.

[kinghong1970]

i agree with kingkong. Also what's to say you won't just steal his design? sorry but I didn't quite like the tone that came through with your post whicked.

well, "steal" is a bit on the harsh edge... give him benefit of the doubt...

but again, Mick's been with us a while and we all know how much this has been like a wet dream to all of us... sorry, mind in gutter mode...

but perhaps he is not letting us know until he feels he is ready... and we have to respect that...

till then, all we can do is joke around while gazing in amazement...

[Prizy]

Loving your case ,

2 things

1. 1/2 or 3/8 tubing pls, anything smaller looks gay

2. INVERTED ATX IS BALLS, no offense.

sorry that was a little aggressive. Great case, hope u make it

[Nicksen]

Well... Thats your opinion Prizy... Some might disagree with you?

[WHICKED]

First, a NDA would account for nothing. He does not own a company, therefore he has no entitlement to his product.

Second, he can not copyright his product since he has shared the information publicly.

Third, UK business laws are different than US business laws. Which means NDA, company rights, disclaimers, etc etc... are all for not.

Fourth, I would not steal his design, the design is perfect the way it is. Hence he can "keep" his design. However, improving upon an idea and modifying it so it is not the same, is different. Now a lot of those people will say it is plagarism in a way. Sure, I guess you could say it is. However take a look at all the other case manufactures. Each one copies the same basic layout of each other, aside from Lian Li and MM.

Fifth, I understand the flaming aspect of my comments. But lets be real, a case manufacturer would have been able to fabricate a case within a month. A metal working shop with the necessary tools and materials could do it in 2-3 weeks. And how long has this post/thread been alive.

Would I like to make his case, yes, you bet. Would I like to make the design better, yes, you bet. But as for stealing, signing agreements such as NDA's, etc etc. You need to understand that those do not matter unless he owns a business, but even then NDA's do matter because he is based in the UK.

But from a high level, it looks as though he was going with 5052 aluminum 1/16" GA thick material for the inside, maybe 1/8" thick for the components and outer shell. Cost of materials: 6-7' (feet) x 10-11' (feet) material ~= $334.08, not including labor.

So the case would be around $600-$800 depending on who he goes through. But it might be more since, he would manufacturer it in the UK and then shipping costs are also an issue since tha case itself would weigh 30-55 lbs.

So, $1000 would not be hard to reach.

But like I said, the case is nice, it has a great design. I would make it, and see the costs of it, but there are just some things that make it bland.

[asura]

As I understand it, if he's in the UK, then he doesn't need to bother applying for copyright, because he's put pen to paper. Any design which is produced physically (I believe computer files count) is automatically the intellectual property of the creater.

Case in point someone hires an architect (henceforth "client") to design their house. The architect compleats the drawings and provides a copy to the client. The client then proceeds to hire a second person (in this instance not an architect, but it makes no difrence what-so-ever) to submit the architects design for planning permission and to build the property. The architect sees his building (with a few minor cosmetic alterations) is comming up for planning, with the second person listed as designer. Architect seeks mediation, architect is awarded damages to be payed jointly by the client and his second person.

The author retains intellectual property, when anyone purchaces a copy, that is all they are purchaceing, in this instance the architect had not given permission to have his design built that would be making a copy of his copy (which the second person did incidelently by way of submiting the drawings). I believe the only exception to this is with sculpture (not a cast of a sculpture, the origional is where the intellectual property lies, not the casting which is a copy) and that the intellectual property rights are transferd with the sale of the sculpture.

The stupid thing is that all the person had to do was to write to the architect requesting his permission to have someone elce build the house, he would have probably said yes, possibly for a resonable fee. And would thereby avoided legal costs, and a fine.

[Mudgey]

Micks case design has give me great inspiration and I have taken some of his ideas and incorporated them within my own designs. However I must say that I agree with 'Whicked's' statements about cost and manufacturing this product. I can't see a major case manufacturer taking this on, if they did it would not be at the top of their priority list. This is most definately not due to the design but rather as whicked quite rightly pointed out the costs involved to produce each case is going to be astronimical, let alone the very limited market avaialable for such a case. The only companies I can see that may take this on are the likes of Danger Den and Mountain Mods where they will design around not having to invest massively in press tooling.

Whicked, I would be interested to know your background as you seem to be knowledgeable within this field! Please pm if you would rather.

First, a NDA would account for nothing. He does not own a company, therefore he has no entitlement to his product.

Second, he can not copyright his product since he has shared the information publicly.

Third, UK business laws are different than US business laws. Which means NDA, company rights, disclaimers, etc etc... are all for not.

Fourth, I would not steal his design, the design is perfect the way it is. Hence he can "keep" his design. However, improving upon an idea and modifying it so it is not the same, is different. Now a lot of those people will say it is plagarism in a way. Sure, I guess you could say it is. However take a look at all the other case manufactures. Each one copies the same basic layout of each other, aside from Lian Li and MM.

Fifth, I understand the flaming aspect of my comments. But lets be real, a case manufacturer would have been able to fabricate a case within a month. A metal working shop with the necessary tools and materials could do it in 2-3 weeks. And how long has this post/thread been alive.

Would I like to make his case, yes, you bet. Would I like to make the design better, yes, you bet. But as for stealing, signing agreements such as NDA's, etc etc. You need to understand that those do not matter unless he owns a business, but even then NDA's do matter because he is based in the UK.

But from a high level, it looks as though he was going with 5052 aluminum 1/16" GA thick material for the inside, maybe 1/8" thick for the components and outer shell. Cost of materials: 6-7' (feet) x 10-11' (feet) material ~= $334.08, not including labor.

So the case would be around $600-$800 depending on who he goes through. But it might be more since, he would manufacturer it in the UK and then shipping costs are also an issue since tha case itself would weigh 30-55 lbs.

So, $1000 would not be hard to reach.

But like I said, the case is nice, it has a great design. I would make it, and see the costs of it, but there are just some things that make it bland.