GTX 480 and GTX 470 Reviews

[Dezmen]

Can anyone show me test with 5850 CF vs single 480?

[Dahmer]

80MHz overclock... On the other hand, the card is boiling hot even at stock, so it explains it...

Looks like reference design GTX4x0 cards are meh... What I'm really looking forward to is to see the reviews of non-reference design cards, such as eVGA Hydro Copper for example.

meh indeed, I'm also waiting for results on a real overclock, see how high it can really be pushed

also still happy I went from gtx260 to HD5850, getting 20k vantage

[onethreehill]

@mmorpgfocus

Sapphire 5870 Toxic 2GB is 925MHz/5000MHz
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23079

[Olivon]

uhm there is no pcie bug ... it's called power saving .. load your card with some 3d and it will magically unbug

Thanks W1zzard for your job, you're great

[jmke]

So AMD is not dropping their prices. THAT IS LAME.

no it's not. it's called "lack of competition". Same reason Core i7 920 is still at the same price since launch, and will not drop in price now, but simply replaced. Lack of competition.

[zalbard]

Palit custom-designed GTX 480 and GTX 470
http://www.donanimhaber.com/Palitin_...undu-18974.htm

These might be the cards to get! We need some reviews!

[onethreehill]

GTX 480 at 1165/2200

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/show...4&postcount=22

[Vinas]

What was disturbing about anand's review is the lack of any mention of real competition. For instance, no mention of the 5970 being stiill faster, although obvious, but at the summary they mention the 480 being the fastest card (needs clarification - fastest single GPU). Also they left out the fact that with a small OC, the 5870 equals a stock 480, so that there is no clear winner here.

I felt like anand finally gave in to nVIDIA threatening to keep them out of the review circle if anand didn't produce a worthy review. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, I guess.

After reading the majority of these reviews I have decided to order a FC block for the 5870 and give it a proper OC. I game at 3840x1024 and from what I've seen, even at stock, the 5870 is very close in performance at this level to the 480. It even edges it out in some game tests. I think the FC water block will give me the edge in performance at a better price/performance ratio.

When I purchased my 5870 on release night it sold for $380. Add that to the cost of my new FC EK GPU block with backplate and we're up to 499. So really in terms of price, it's kind of a toss up at this point, but there is still value in having a very fast card (5870) for six months instead of waiting. Kudos to the sites that OC'd the 5870 and revealed that not only does it contend with the 480, in many ways it is still a better product. The 480 idles at 90C so for air that pretty much limits and real overclock. By the time one factors in water blocks, it seems safe to say that there will be a very high price premium ($650??) for the nVIDIA product. Feels like the 8800GTX launch all over again, minus the clear performance but keeping the high price, and adding much more heat.

[Svnth]

What was disturbing about anand's review is the lack of any mention of real competition. For instance, no mention of the 5970 being stiill faster, although obvious, but at the summary they mention the 480 being the fastest card (needs clarification). Also they left out the fact that with a small OC 900/1200, the 5870 equals a stock 480, so that there is no clear winner here.

I felt like anand finally gave in to nVIDIA threatening to keep them out of the review circle if anand didn't produce a worthy review. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, I guess.

Yeah, cause that would work with reviewers if it ever happened Ridiculous.

I also think you're forgetting you can overclock any card.. why do you say there's no difference when you can overclock the GTX 480 as well? Then you're back to where you are now.

[ajaidev]

GTX 480 at 1165/2200
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http://kingpincooling.com/forum/show...4&postcount=22

How did they increase the voltage?

[zalbard]

How did they increase the voltage?

Voltmods?

[adamsleath]

ill refrain from trolling

but its hard

[Vinas]

Yeah, cause that would work with reviewers if it ever happened Ridiculous.

I also think you're forgetting you can overclock any card.. why do you say there's no difference when you can overclock the GTX 480 as well? Then you're back to where you are now.

True that, I think I meant that since these new nvidia chips run so hot, I'm thinking the OC potential may not be the same. With water that can change, but now the price premium for nvidia really doesn't seem justified. I liked this interesting chart that pits mild air OC's against one another. If one were to invest in a $100 WB for the 5870, it seems like a better option than to go all out and purchase a 480. I wonder what a 1000/1250 ati5870 vs 800MHz nvidia 480 looks like?

Here's the chart I thought was pretty interesting. You can see the mildy oc'd MSI 5870 edges out the stock 480. Then notice MSI and the 480oc have a 100MHz core OC (the 480 edges out the MSI OC again), so if the 480 can't OC as far, the 5870 wins (for everyday, so LN2 could change that). From legit reviews.

[JohnZS]

uhm there is no pcie bug ... it's called power saving .. load your card with some 3d and it will magically unbug

Already tried that, we tested using Furmark and GPUTool, I also suspected it may have been a power saving feature. nVidia's official confirmation on this is that there IS a bug and that since April 2009 their forceware drivers disable PCI-E Gen 2.0 on boards which do not have a BIOS with the fix.

Gen2 has been disabled on X38 for quite some time now, since around last year April to be exact. The reason behind this is due to a bug in X38 and the new SBIOS from Intel still shows problem. So our decision is to disable gen2 on X38

A couple of months later Intel resolved the issue

Testing has been done on 9800GT, 9800GTX+, 9600GT, GTX 280, GTX 285 all of these suffer from the Fallback to PCI-E 1.1 on several different ASUS boards.

However, when testing with a 9800GX2 and a GTX 295 the drivers reported PCI-E Gen 2.0, perhaps the NF200 was reporting PCI-E 2.0?

John

[Nowyn]

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The 480 idles at 90C so for air that pretty much limits and real overclock.

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It idles at ~50 give or take, 100% load temp are around 92, but in the reviews where they had screens of precision like tool they show max fan cycle duty @ 55%, which is kinda low. I guess all they need to to is increase fan ramping delta for load temps to drop to 80ies.

Even at 92 load temps it's proves nothing, if they say that chip can handle it, then it's fine, lots of people use some personal factless logic to determine what temps are safe and what not.

Everybody seems to forget how that 5970 have almost the same load temps at stock cooler and it runs just fine.

Then ATI have a neverending issues with PWN that are hitting ridiculously 100+ temps and while 5850/5870 are not that much affected, on 5970 it can cause throttling. Nvidia's PWN design never had this issues, probably cause their coolers are better designed to cool them.

All i'm saying that there no clear winner, they are pretty much a valid competitors at this point, given that Fermi has only early beta divers to work with at this point while ATI had 6 month work put in the drivers, picture might very well change in a couple of driver revisions for Fermi. I also have a feeling that heavy DX11 titles might run better on Fermi due to their architectural focus on tessellation among other things.

[Vinas]

All i'm saying that there no clear winner, they are pretty much a valid competitors at this point,

Agreed. And it's good to have options

[Loque]

Palit custom-designed GTX 480 and GTX 470
http://www.donanimhaber.com/Palitin_...undu-18974.htm

when ?

Why the reference design coolers are always the crappy jet engine ones ?

[annihilat0r]

because they are cheap

[kemo]

because they are cheap

at least the 480GTX is one of the best stock coolers ever made , imagine using it with HD5870

[highoctane]

at least the 480GTX is one of the best stock coolers ever made , imagine using it with HD5870

Hell it should have enough capacity to cool a 5970 if it would fit.

[RSC]

at least the 480GTX is one of the best stock coolers ever made , imagine using it with HD5870

You make a good point there. Maybe we can hope to see a version of the GTX470 with the GTX480 cooler.

[damha]

First review pitted against the 2GB 5870

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=24024&page=6
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=24024&page=7
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=24024&page=9
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.ph...=24024&page=11

Even if you look at the last page:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.ph...=24024&page=12

All of the games they showed @ 2560x1600 w/ 8xAA are playable on a 5850. Hexus is not doing a good job making the case for the gtx480 (conclusion reeks of nvidia pee are).

[onethreehill]

when ?

Why the reference design coolers are always the crappy jet engine ones ?

Earliest mid May?

[Blacky]

These might be the cards to get! We need some reviews!

now thats the card to look if you want Fermi.

[ajaidev]

I find this very weird





http://en.hardspell.com/doc/enshowco...23&pageid=6891

So with increase in resolution the ATI's card performance actually increases instead of decreasing??