must... resist...Originally Posted by tbone8ty
must... resist...
I made this for friends and I'm not really sure if anyone here cares but I punched together Anand's test data and combined it with newegg prices for a price/performance spreadsheet. I only used 1920x1200 since that is the resolution that almost all my friends and I play at. I also only selected certian single-gpu cards since my friends and I are very hesitant to consider SLI/CF.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...uBinQTPKpUYZaA
Definitely fast but you are still paying a tiny premium for that class leading performance/features. GTX275 and GTX285 lose horribly in price/performance to the 4890. The 4870 (1GB) seems to be currently the best deal on the ATI side and the GTX260 (216) is the best deal on the Nvidia side.
Interested to see how the 5850 might change things. Also wondering if prices will fluctuate as the market adapts to the new king.
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I'll have to trust your accuracy because I'm too lazy to check the math and data sources, but you should be commended for your logic. This just makes me cry with joy. Why? This is the exact logic one needs when chasing that elusive "bang for the buck" product. Thanks for sharing.
BTW, I got my 4890 for $150 shipped new a few months ago, so that makes it an even better product for my cheap arse hands....
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the xfx for $343, or $313 for a little extra legwork
i wont bother stealing the credit so here's the original post/thread
http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=1573459
man i WISH i was in the market for a card right now
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It seems to be a Hard launch everywhere but Japan, can not find one shop with them yet.
Add germany to that. Shops are listing them but some claim they will be available on 30.09.2009...
Notice any grammar or spelling mistakes? Feel free to correct me! Thanks
That wasn't the question. But should they slow down the cards on their own platform to satisfy Intel-costumers because their systems aren't as fast?! (In this particular benchmark.)
Edit: Nice performance from the Phenom 2 955, especially since it's compared to the i7 940. The Battleforge-numbers are wrong to those that don't read the text, GTX295 numbers are actually 5870 and vice versa.
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What would be a good 3rd party silent cooling option (preferrably not water). To make the card shutup and make it usable in a quiet envirioment ?
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5870 is DX10.1 and DX11.
They is already a bunch of title using DX10.1.
Battleforge use already DX11 via a patch and Dirt 2 is due in December.
If u need a card in this price range now 5870 is the best choice.
So in other words, wait for Nvidia?
Of course Eyefinity, DX11, angle independent AF and lower power consumption mean nothing, performance/$ is already superior but oh meh, better to stick to the old, wait and wait because "the prices will drop and better hardware is on it's way"....like always.
What the fudge? I think he giving good advice, and I can tell LOE is the last person who would say wait for NV.So in other words, wait for Nvidia?
Of course Eyefinity, DX11, angle independent AF and lower power consumption mean nothing, performance/$ is already superior but oh meh, better to stick to the old, wait and wait because "the prices will drop and better hardware is on it's way".
Basically he said people don't need to upgrade if they own last generations high end which is quite correct. If everyone upgraded even every generation, when they had the previous gen high end, people would be spending ridiculous amounts of money and hardware, and only the wealthiest most hardcore people would play pc games.
Why buy 1st gen direct 11 hardware when the games are not out yet? Waiting will only get you better hardware and lower prices. Sure in the meantime you might miss 300fps instead of 220fps, but in regards to real world playability, neither make a difference.
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With no voltage changes applied, Asus' graphics cards are running at reference 850/725MHz for the core and 4800/4000MHz for the 1GB of GDDR5 memory. When Voltage Tweak comes into play, the HD 5870 can be overclocked to 1035MHz for the GPU and 5200MHz for memory by just raising the voltage from 1.15V to 1.35V. With the HD 5850 it gets even better as it can be overclocked via Voltage Tweak to 1050MHz for the GPU and 5200MHz for the memory by raising the voltage from 1.088V to 1.4V.
By the looks of things and the figures, the HD 5850 is quite a jewel, and this might be a great card if you are into overclocking. According to Asus, this overclock raised the 3DMark Vantage Extreme Preset score from 8,087 to 9,252 for the HD 5870 and from 6501 to 8987 for the HD 5850. This also means that an overclocked HD 5850, which has less stream processors, might be capable of beating the higher priced HD 5870 at reference clocks, at least when talking about 3Dmark Vantage. Of course, we need not remind you about the price difference between these two cards.
they do mean nothing, really..So in other words, wait for Nvidia?
Of course Eyefinity, DX11, angle independent AF and lower power consumption mean nothing, performance/$ is already superior but oh meh, better to stick to the old, wait and wait because "the prices will drop and better hardware is on it's way".
whats wrong with waiting? its more logical to buy now, than wait a couple months for more GT300 info/black friday?
With no voltage changes applied, Asus' graphics cards are running at reference 850/725MHz for the core and 4800/4000MHz for the 1GB of GDDR5 memory. When Voltage Tweak comes into play, the HD 5870 can be overclocked to 1035MHz for the GPU and 5200MHz for memory by just raising the voltage from 1.15V to 1.35V. With the HD 5850 it gets even better as it can be overclocked via Voltage Tweak to 1050MHz for the GPU and 5200MHz for the memory by raising the voltage from 1.088V to 1.4V.
By the looks of things and the figures, the HD 5850 is quite a jewel, and this might be a great card if you are into overclocking. According to Asus, this overclock raised the 3DMark Vantage Extreme Preset score from 8,087 to 9,252 for the HD 5870 and from 6501 to 8987 for the HD 5850. This also means that an overclocked HD 5850, which has less stream processors, might be capable of beating the higher priced HD 5870 at reference clocks, at least when talking about 3Dmark Vantage. Of course, we need not remind you about the price difference between these two cards.
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What he means is; yes waiting is more logical, but it's ALWAYS more logical so you might end up waiting forever.
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That's fine and dandy. Just don't let us catch you talking about 'the fastest card on the planet from nvidia, no matter what.'
I hope you didn't adopt the GT200 early either, but waited for the 48xx before making a buying decision : (WHAT I SAID earlier applies only to people who own previous generation high end, some people need better reading skills it seems :P
currently, even keeping battleforge in mind, the only noticeable advantage HD5870 has is power consumption, but somehow I doubt that alone is justifying an upgrade for those people, maybe those who run sli or xfire will benefit more from purchasing a HD5870 as it offers similar performance at a lot lower power usage.
the multi monitor trickery is nice, but I cant think of a person I know who will go for it, and I know nut cases. Also for this to be a viable option for me we need to see new and suitable monitors, as having black frames all over is not too cool. Actually I think of someone who might be interested in six monitors support, not for gaming - but for tracking the stock market. You can never have enough displays there.
For all those with old and outdated hardware, as well as people who purchase new systems - if you are looking for high end - the HD5870 is THE CARD to get, I think there is no second opinion about it
been an nvidia user all my life, but now I begin to reconsider. I will however wait for nvidia, as there is no need to rush into new hardware, not only in terms of driver maturity and software support, but stability as well, currently the HD5870 has been only tested for a short while by a few websites, god forbid there is some timebomb design issue, like nvidia had recently
patience is a virtueit takes a good sense of timing to get the most out of it
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I guess its finally Time to upgrade my 1950XT to 5870 ^^
Though I wonder if my MCW60 will fit >.>
I'm in the same boat. It looks pretty but I don't know anyone who would jump on it and the need for at least one monitor to have a Displayport is a pain.
nice spreadsheet, but i also notice that the framerate of many older more value cards are not even playable. if a person has a minimum setting they need, this can have a big factor. also with the way things scale up, if that was done at 2560 with 4-8xAA i bet the 5870 would win in frame/$ due to the massive bottle neck many other cards would see. (even though frames would be like 3 vs 15, horrible, but scaled in favor)
god i so will be getting one of those to WC (need more info on fitting standard blocks or modifying older ones.)With the HD 5850 it gets even better as it can be overclocked via Voltage Tweak to 1050MHz for the GPU and 5200MHz for the memory by raising the voltage from 1.088V to 1.4V.
6501 to 8987 for the HD 5850.
Well LOE, you can always wait.
I use triple monitors for several years now with a TH2G that I paid $300 for. The ATi display will be a very useful feature if it works as good as the triple head 2 go. It will change the way games are played trust me on that. Everyone who's seen my 57" of monitor real estate and have experienced true peripheral vision in games... they all love it. Multi monitor gaming is the future and it's here finally for people to experience without buying a stand alone device.
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sweet, thanks for sharing that!
i think we will see a limit with ~8000x2000 total resolution, curved, and at 240FPS, beyond that i think the human eye couldnt tell the difference.Thats the trick, to wait just as long as you have to, cuz if you wait too long you also loose efficiency
You need to wait for the bell shaped curve to hit it's climax
Having peripheral vision is cool, but rending it at high quality is a little bit like wasting. Peripheral vision reacts on large details so maybe some kind of optimization is required before wasting too much power on things we hardly see 99.99% of the time. Maybe lower LOD is appropriate in that case.
no, no, no and no. good post otherwise
human eye = ~250MP
8000x2000 = 16MP
we're a good bit off 250MP.
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