Tom's Hardware.. Nvidia or Ati biased..?

[TG01]

I don't know the actual consensus but what I read just now made my jaw drop:

They are using Last Remnant in their test suite, but:

Because you can't activate AA for the game manually and Nvidia drivers can't handle such effects, we use the default settings for the game (4x AF).

Of course the text alone is not that shocking...
What is shocking if you then continue to read the test results:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...p,2297-13.html

And they included these results in their final judgement.
Something is totally ed up over there.

[Jowy Atreides]

Why does ATI get the floor wiped wth them on Hawx?

AFAIK, The 4890 Destroys nvidia in that game yet toms show a far different representation

Toms

[perkam]

I don't know the actual consensus but what I read just now made my jaw drop:

They are using Last Remnant in their test suite, but:


Of course the text alone is not that shocking...
What is shocking if you then continue to read the test results:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...p,2297-13.html

And they included these results in their final judgement.
Something is totally ed up over there.

I'm assuming there on short on cash flow.

That seems to be the only reasoning behind such preposterous results.

Perkam

[B.E.E.F.]

Depends who's the highest bidder. There is no bias when you think about it.

[perkam]

Look at how the 4890 goes from behind the GTX 260 to above the GTX 285 by the last chart. Basically, ATI performs best at high AA/AF and high resolutions, and Toms Hardware stayed away from all three.

Perkam

[mstp2009]

Toms has sucked hard for years.

I automatically ignore people that quote their "tests".

[Sly Fox]

Depends who's the highest bidder. There is no bias when you think about it.

I laugh, but it's probably true.

[waver_01]

Ooh drama....nice. But yeah that review does look kinda fishy.

[zerazax]

I've come to the realization that most reviews out there are a joke now, and the best thing to do is to see independent reviewers on boards like these to find results

[roofsniper]

i tell my friends that toms hardware is intel nvidia biased but they never believe me and still use it. thats most likely why all of them use nvidia and intel. wonder what they think of this.

[SKYMTL]

Fact: Nvidia destroys ATI in HawX with DX9 and DX10 enabled.

HOWEVER, turn on the DX10.1 option and it is a whole different ball game as ATI wipes the floor with Nvidia.

[Stukov]

Tom's Hardware biased? Not so much biased as unskilled corporate wannabes.

Tom's is a horrible site, the only purpose to go to Tom's is to find out how NOT to make a tech site that does reviews and testing of computer components.

[570091D]

I've come to the realization that most reviews out there are a joke now, and the best thing to do is to see independent reviewers on boards like these to find results

i wouldn't say they're ALL a joke, but it's not hard to tell when they're getting a little something extra under the table.... like everyone here i read every review i can find (forum or site) on any piece of hardware before i make my investment. you just have to take stuff like this with a grain of salt.

[breakfromyou]

I started hating Tom's when they wrote that article about the Pentium D 805, and how it was such a great overclocking processor. Only 80c under load! Come on now. At least give people good advice. Not everybody is going to listen to the whole story when they attempt the same.

[SKYMTL]

Tom's is a horrible site, the only purpose to go to Tom's is to find out how NOT to make a tech site that does reviews and testing of computer components.

Actually, some of us still remember the time when Tom's was THE best hardware review website out there. This was before it went downhill with the BoM merger.

[perkam]

Notice something ODD about the game selection?

They didn't test Crysis...where the regular 4890 wipes the floor with the OCed 275:



And here are the 4890 OC numbers:



Perkam

[SKYMTL]

Considering neither card attains playable framerates at ANY resolution in those tests, I would say the game is whipping the stuffing out of the cards rather than one card being better than the other.

[LordEC911]

Considering neither card attains playable framerates at ANY resolution in those tests, I would say the game is whipping the stuffing out of the cards rather than one card being better than the other.

Have you played Crysis?

[SKYMTL]

Have you played Crysis?

On a regular basis actually and generally ATI cards USED to get better framerates than Nvidia cards in it (DX9 version). However, the last few Nvidia driver releases have improved their performance significantly. 30 fps average is generally playable but in heavily forested areas that 30 can and will be cut significantly and the game will seriously bog down.

If you look at the graph above, it seems more a race to who finishes last rather than any card delivering meaningful performance.

However, looking at the tests on the linked review at Tom's there are some questions that popped up:

- Why test high end cards without 2560 resolution?
- What is their test setup? I see "i7 920" and a bunch of GPUs listed and that's it
- In some cases, AA tests were eliminated at certain resolutions.

All in all the article seems to raise more questions than it answers.

[perkam]

Considering neither card attains playable framerates at ANY resolution in those tests, I would say the game is whipping the stuffing out of the cards rather than one card being better than the other.

The fact that the regular 4890 is consistently equal to or better than GTX 285 performance numbers in Crysis means nothing to you?

Perkam

[Macadamia]

The fact that the regular 4890 is consistently equal to or better than GTX 285 performance numbers in Crysis means nothing to you?

Perkam

Performance numbers ONLY matter when the lead is in "playable" terms, like Dead Space

[roofsniper]

Actually, some of us still remember the time when Tom's was THE best hardware review website out there. This was before it went downhill with the BoM merger.

yea thats been awhile. at least 5 years.

[randomizer]

Because you can't activate AA for the game manually and Nvidia drivers can't handle such effects, we use the default settings for the game (4x AF).

I don't know anything about this game, but if the reviewer means that the game simply won't run on NVIDIA hardware with AA because of drivers then I don't see any problems with turning off AA. What would be the point in doing the benchmark when only ATI cards were in it? The best course of action would have been to just not use that benchmark though.

[OBR]

its very easy MAKE an ATI or NVIDIA winner in review ... if you choose "right" settings in games, right locations in games, right Games ...

i wrote some article about it, but in czech language ...

First part: Choosing tha Games ... Look at the differences



Calculated from "ATI games": Fallout 3, Left 4 Dead, Call Of Duty 5, World In Conflict, Call Of Duty 4, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Clear Sky, Race Driver GRID, Tom Clancys HAWX, Far Cry 2, Devil May Cry 4.

Look at 4890 and GTX 275



And from "NVIDIA" games: Dead Space, Bioshock, Tomb Raider Underworld, GTA IV, Crysis Warhead, Brothers In Arms, Half Life 2, Company Of Heroes, Mass Effect, UT3, Mirrors Edge, Enemy Territory.

Look at 4890 and GTX 275



Complete 22 games ...

In 2nd part will look at difference between settings, location and another things ...

[grimREEFER]

you can get AA if you rename exe to ut3.exe
but i imagine you would lose specific driver enhancements for the last remnant, so i dont know how valid that would be.