Asus P6T / Rampage II Extreme: no "CPU VR Current Override" ???

[cstkl1]

oops edited
nope 130watts limit still there.. for r2e

[cstkl1]

u know guys i have been thinking of this issue
and finally became clear
all asus has to do is
make intel speedstep independent from intel turbo
thats all
and it wont do this anymore
intel speedstep is temp dependent from 775 days afaik

[dejanh]

The fix is simple, but they just need to get around to doing it. If I had the tools to do it I could probably edit the BIOS myself to disable this feature...

[BustaH]

u know guys i have been thinking of this issue
and finally became clear
all asus has to do is
make intel speedstep independent from intel turbo
thats all
and it wont do this anymore
intel speedstep is temp dependent from 775 days afaik

I think you hit the nail on the head here, I've been doing some tests with this board with a 920 and im pretty sure its temp related as others have said.
I can boot 20x200 no problem with turbo enabled. I have a makeshift waterblock mount so load temps are likely to be higher than normal as soon as I hit second cpu test on 06 bam, same with vantage and almost exactly 50% of the way through wprime 1024. freezes up. my cascade is awaiting repair but im pretty sure at subzero this would not be an issue. [even at lower load temps iro 60-65 possibly]

My load temps are hitting 85c across the cores.

I only got the board yesterday haven't got my head around it yet. its a good board imo but of course would be a whole lot better without this issue I hope the issue is resolved soon.
Which bios are you guys running? im running the latest 0903. It looks like asus refer to this issue quote' Rampage II Extreme 0903 Bios
Fixed the function for adjusting BCLK abnormal in TurboV when set BCLK > 200MHz in BIOS setup 2009/01/05 update 'unquote.

hasnt fixed it for me.

[dejanh]

I think you hit the nail on the head here, I've been doing some tests with this board with a 920 and im pretty sure its temp related as others have said.
I can boot 20x200 no problem with turbo enabled. I have a makeshift waterblock mount so load temps are likely to be higher than normal as soon as I hit second cpu test on 06 bam, same with vantage and almost exactly 50% of the way through wprime 1024. freezes up. my cascade is awaiting repair but im pretty sure at subzero this would not be an issue. [even at lower load temps iro 60-65 possibly]

My load temps are hitting 85c across the cores.

I only got the board yesterday haven't got my head around it yet. its a good board imo but of course would be a whole lot better without this issue I hope the issue is resolved soon.
Which bios are you guys running? im running the latest 0903. It looks like asus refer to this issue quote' Rampage II Extreme 0903 Bios
Fixed the function for adjusting BCLK abnormal in TurboV when set BCLK > 200MHz in BIOS setup 2009/01/05 update 'unquote.

hasnt fixed it for me.

I'm running 0903, but that fix you are refering to...that is unrelated to TurboBoost on the CPU itself. It is a fix for a compatibility issue with Asus' bundled software called TurboV. The tool would show 100MHz BCLK when BCLK was set 200MHz+. That's fixed now, and quite a useless fix I might add. Nobody who is clocking so high is using TurboV to OC.

[BustaH]

Ah yes your right, I wasn't sure exactly what is was but thought it might be related like I said only got the board yesterday and hit a wall at 4.2ghz and it made no sense at all why until I read through this thread.

Dejanh, I just read thru your i7 guide, Some food for thought there. a very interesting read, thanks.

[cstkl1]

hmm for 4 cores not so much a issue
but with ht the heat goes up..

[cstkl1]

I'm running 0903, but that fix you are refering to...that is unrelated to TurboBoost on the CPU itself. It is a fix for a compatibility issue with Asus' bundled software called TurboV. The tool would show 100MHz BCLK when BCLK was set 200MHz+. That's fixed now, and quite a useless fix I might add. Nobody who is clocking so high is using TurboV to OC.

is this the first time ure using asus mobo's??

they dont state every fix they do..
u have to find some of them

so far ram mem tables are different

[T_Flight]

hmm for 4 cores not so much a issue
but with ht the heat goes up..

Please do tell!

So...what was the fix?

[cstkl1]

Please do tell!

So...what was the fix?

nah .. short lived with HT on it didnt work

but try this
C1 state is supposedly 0%
so u dont get that 4168 or 4180
so with tested with 4 cores HT Off
extreme OV
speed step enabled
turbo mode on
C1 state

with HT on once temp touches 80C on real temp 2.7 85 C on real temp 2.9 multi goes down to 20
so i guess the rule for it HT would be
must be less than the above temp
with the three settings above

[dejanh]

is this the first time ure using asus mobo's??

they dont state every fix they do..
u have to find some of them

so far ram mem tables are different

No, it is not the first time I am using an Asus mobo, I've used them for 12 years. Yes, I am aware that they do some minor fixes as well that they do not list, but major fixes they list, and adding a feature to turn off TDP limit would be a major change.

So keep your arrogant attitude to yourself.

Also, I do not know what is the use of you beating a dead horse. You will not find a way around it, I can promise you that. I've tried everything this board offers to date, and trust me I had plenty of time to do it too since I bought the board at release. I'll tell you what works...

The only thing that works is to keep the temps low, very low, like not pass 65C and you will not only get rid of the turbo throttling, but you will also get higher overclocks.

And that 85C mark, I've posted about it now about 1 month ago on Asus forums, and here on XS, and nobody paid attention.

[cstkl1]

No, it is not the first time I am using an Asus mobo, I've used them for 12 years. Yes, I am aware that they do some minor fixes as well that they do not list, but major fixes they list, and adding a feature to turn off TDP limit would be a major change.

So keep your arrogant attitude to yourself.

Also, I do not know what is the use of you beating a dead horse. You will not find a way around it, I can promise you that. I've tried everything this board offers to date, and trust me I had plenty of time to do it too since I bought the board at release. I'll tell you what works...

The only thing that works is to keep the temps low, very low, like not pass 65C and you will not only get rid of the turbo throttling, but you will also get higher overclocks.

And that 85C mark, I've posted about it now about 1 month ago on Asus forums, and here on XS, and nobody paid attention.

12 years really??
and u went out and bought the first retail board? saw ure exclamation in some forums about the 02xx bios.
also what made u come out of the closet for x58 to xs forums?? curious
no offense intended

anyways spoke to avin and they are looking to it.
will update it on asus faes progress
asking him for custom bios to take off the turbo dependency on intel speedstep.

but its funny for x58 clocking ppl popping out of no where and coming out with a lot of theories and being smug about it.
post counts are amazing nowadays in xs in a few months
so much to say even one joker had 1k in 2 months

[dejanh]

12 years really
kekeke and what made u come out of the closet for x58 to xs forums

anyways spoke to avin and they are looking to it.
will update it on asus faes progress
asking him for custom bios to take off the turbo dependency on intel speedstep.

but its funny for x58 clocking ppl popping out of no where and coming out with a lot of theories and being smug about it.
post counts are amazing nowadays in xs in a few months
so much to say

Wow, a troll eh. Well, finally.

Here's some food for you.

1. Yes, 12 years. And not just 12 years with Asus, but overclocking and tweaking since the days of 3/486s. I even spent some time programming my own microchips.
2. Absolutely nothing particular made me come to XS. I heard of it by accident. I spend too much time now days in front of the computer for work doing software engineering and I mostly work alone so I needed to find an activity to pass the in-between time, and this seemed like a semi-decent community. Obviously, not everyone is semi decent. Furthermore, I do not live in a basement and do have a real life to occupy most of my time so these things are in phases for me only. i7 just happens to be a new toy so it's interesting for a bit.
3. Smug or not smug at least people are trying to contribute, unlike some here *hint* *hint*

Finally, an FYI for you, there is nothing special about X58, and it is not X58 clocking you fool, it's Nehalem. X58 is just a chipset.

With my background and experience I think I have plenty of authority to speak on how I believe things are working.

I am done addressing you, so disappear.

Edit: Way to edit your post. Don't mind if I don't edit mine. I have done one thing different this time then ever before, and that is I jumped to a completly new platform right on release. Hence the "wtf is 0248 doing on a production board" and a legitimate question too. Even Asus found it strange after I talked to one of their engineers, but the board seems to work fine so whatever.

[cstkl1]

Wow, a troll eh. Well, finally.

Here's some food for you.

1. Yes, 12 years. And not just 12 years with Asus, but overclocking and tweaking since the days of 3/486s. I even spent some time programming my own microchips.
2. Absolutely nothing particular made me come to XS. I heard of it by accident. I spend too much time now days in front of the computer for work doing software engineering and I mostly work alone so I needed to find an activity to pass the in-between time, and this seemed like a semi-decent community. Obviously, not everyone is semi decent. Furthermore, I do not live in a basement and do have a real life to occupy most of my time so these things are in phases for me only. i7 just happens to be a new toy so it's interesting for a bit.
3. Smug or not smug at least people are trying to contribute, unlike some here *hint* *hint*

Finally, an FYI for you, there is nothing special about X58, and it is not X58 clocking you fool, it's Nehalem. X58 is just a chipset.

Oh and, for us coming from the world of AMD, this architecture is much more familiar than for you Intel fellas. "What, an integrated IMC I hear! Fascinating"

With my background and experience I think I have plenty of authority to speak on how I believe things are working.

I am done addressing you, so disappear.

Edit: Way to edit your post. Don't mind if I don't edit mine. I have done one thing different this time then ever before, and that is I jumped to a completly new platform right on release. Hence the "wtf is 0248 doing on a production board" and a legitimate question too. Even Asus found it strange after I talked to one of their engineers, but the board seems to work fine so whatever.

hahaha
ok who is ure fae contact
would like to have a word with him

and the reason for calling it x58 clocking is because all limitations currently seems to be mobo related rather than proc

and reason for being cynical on ure 12 years
for being a beta tester for asus mobos for the past few years.. and getting some demo/es/initial release of their mobo's
its very common to have a intial bios thats differ from the one listed anybody could have told u this.
also seems that uve been spending a lot of time in a few forums in the past few months base on nick on the same topic

would love to see how u fare with rampage extreme or foxconn blackops on ure years of experience
anyways to stop this from getting any further will put u in my ignore list as i assume u would have done the same

[T_Flight]

hahaha
ok who is ure fae contact
would like to have a word with him

and the reason for calling it x58 clocking is because all limitations currently seems to be mobo related rather than proc

and reason for being cynical on ure 12 years
for being a beta tester for asus mobos for the past few years.. and getting some demo/es/initial release of their mobo's
its very common to have a intial bios thats differ from the one listed anybody could have told u this.
also seems that uve been spending a lot of time in a few forums in the past few months base on nick on the same topic

would love to see how u fare with rampage extreme or foxconn blackops on ure years of experience
anyways to stop this from getting any further will put u in my ignore list as i assume u would have done the same

This could not be further from the truth unless you getting into the realm of what Fugger is doing and get into runaway amp syndrome. Few people will achieve clocks like that, and it's not something anybody is gonna run 24/7. All of these boards have been able to go right up to 5+ GHz. Unless you have phase that's is not gonna happen. You'll never reach a wall with these boards unless you are on phase, and even then the Chip may not do it.

I also liked your snide remark about post count. You are NOT your f'n post count. whether you have 10 or 10,000 makes absolutely no differece at all, and only a fool thinks that. Some people have more time than others and use computers more than others and do more here than others. Others have less time, and spent alot less time here. Some are retired and to them this is a hobby. Others use these computers more for work. Some get into long involved projects and rack up 1000's of posts a month. Save the thinly velied slams for somewhere else.

As for the AMD/Intel remarks, unlike that "other" section we do not enagage in Fanboi flamebaits here. That's what drives people away and that's why none of us will let it go on here. This section has higher standards so don't bring that crap in here.

[dejanh]

I apologize for any remarks that I may have made. I will edit the post above to remove the Intel/AMD remark particularly as I do agree that this has nothing to do with that and I want to ensure that standard here stay higher.

Now let's all move on in a civilized manner.

[BustaH]

Right now we seem to have drifted from the topic, can someone please condense this in simple terms what appears to be the issue?
I'm getting the 85c kick out so can confirm that one for sure.

one question, is this likely to come in a bios fix? I think weve ascertained its a mobo issue if nothing else as so many have the same wall so to speak.
in my case its like a magic switch goes of somewhere wen i touch 4.2ghz, temp obviously exceeds 85c at that point.
Its not making a lot of sense to me atm to be honest, I have read through the thread and been solid at this board for 2 days. [waking hours]

[The-Fox]

I'm running 0903, but that fix you are refering to...that is unrelated to TurboBoost on the CPU itself. It is a fix for a compatibility issue with Asus' bundled software called TurboV. The tool would show 100MHz BCLK when BCLK was set 200MHz+. That's fixed now, and quite a useless fix I might add. Nobody who is clocking so high is using TurboV to OC.

Yahh, that is an annoying bug in TurboV.
Just use SetFSB with it's latest version, the PLL chip to use is: ICS9LPRS918BKL.
Works like a treat, except that the DRAM speed is divided by 2.

[BustaH]

awesome setfsb working on this board now? sweet! disable turbo boost then obviously? thnx man ill try it now and report back.

[The-Fox]

Yahh, I got this info from the writer of the setFSB program itself, so there is warranty with this info
No need to disable Turbo though, unless you are having issues with CPU multi x21.

[dejanh]

Right now we seem to have drifted from the topic, can someone please condense this in simple terms what appears to be the issue?
I'm getting the 85c kick out so can confirm that one for sure.

one question, is this likely to come in a bios fix? I think weve ascertained its a mobo issue if nothing else as so many have the same wall so to speak.
in my case its like a magic switch goes of somewhere wen i touch 4.2ghz, temp obviously exceeds 85c at that point.
Its not making a lot of sense to me atm to be honest, I have read through the thread and been solid at this board for 2 days. [waking hours]

Read the whitepaper (see bottom) on this page and you will understand what the issue is...

http://www.intel.com/technology/turboboost/

Asus appears to be closely following the Intel specifications on TurboBoost which according to Intel basically disables the extra turbo multiplier based on frequency, load, current, or temperatures, and/or a combination thereof. For Asus this seems to be driven by at least the frequency (naturally) and temperatures.

[BustaH]

Then im pretty certain now that its temperatures that are the stumbling block, at least in my case.
Its a lot clearer now.

In my case I need the cascade on it if the theory is correct. btw, im looking for high benchable oc, A stable 24/7 base oc is always a good place to start for me
so this thread has been very helpful so far in many respects.

[dejanh]

Then im pretty certain now that its temperatures that are the stumbling block, at least in my case.
Its a lot clearer now.

In my case I need the cascade on it if the theory is correct. btw, im looking for high benchable oc, A stable 24/7 base oc is always a good place to start for me
so this thread has been very helpful so far in many respects.

Temps are the stumbling block. Basically, here is my take on the i7 TDP limit behavior on the Asus boards and based on what I have observed in the past with GPUs and over-current protection circuits...

There is a 130W TDP limit on the chip and that cannot be turned off on Asus boards. Now, say that you set your voltage on the i7 920 at 1.4V for a 20x200MHz (21x turbo). This means that the maximum current can be 130W/1.4V ~ 92.85A before you will exceed the TDP limit. However, increasing temperatures cause more current leakage and hence the current increases further and beyound the allowed limit. If you can keep the temps down, you reduce current leakage and you stay below the TDP limit. If not, well, we all know what happens then.

Asus sort of screws us double with this TDP limit IMO. Increasing the volts to stabilize higher OCs while having the TDP limit on causes the current threshold to lower as you increase the voltage requiring better and better cooling, not just because of the sheer fact that higher voltages will produce higher current and more current leakage, but the current gets to be too high and exceeds the TDP limits.

Annoying...

[BustaH]

Temps are the stumbling block. Basically, here is my take on the i7 TDP limit behavior on the Asus boards and based on what I have observed in the past with GPUs and over-current protection circuits...

There is a 130W TDP limit on the chip and that cannot be turned off on Asus boards. Now, say that you set your voltage on the i7 920 at 1.4V for a 20x200MHz (21x turbo). This means that the maximum current can be 130W/1.4V ~ 92.85A before you will exceed the TDP limit. However, increasing temperatures cause more current leakage and hence the current increases further and beyound the allowed limit. If you can keep the temps down, you reduce current leakage and you stay below the TDP limit. If not, well, we all know what happens then.

Asus sort of screws us double with this TDP limit IMO. Increasing the volts to stabilize higher OCs while having the TDP limit on causes the current threshold to lower as you increase the voltage requiring better and better cooling, not just because of the sheer fact that higher voltages will produce higher current and more current leakage, but the current gets to be too high and exceeds the TDP limits.

Annoying...

The weird thing is earlier today this board booted and run wprime [only 32m] @200x20 with turbo and ht on @ 1.38vcore/1.4qpl/1.65 mem [1600mhz] I did the run in close to 6 seconds flat. temps shoot from idles around 37/38 ish up to 80's and up. so there is where the leak occurs that you describe dejanh.

It gets VERY frustrating at that point because with a result like that you KNOW its definitely not the chip or the ram, its the issue that you guys have described here. Im not at all technical minded when it comes to vr overide and such like but I can see the pattern even in 'simple terms'

I so hope Asus do hope sort this out fast, I think this is actually very unfair that this issue even exists..imo without a doubt Asus do make the best boards by far [performance] im just completely baffled that they are procrastinating over this surely we deserve what we paid for?

[dejanh]

See, I personally never went for the high-end boards as I found the upper-mid ones tend to actually be better somehow, lol. Maybe it's just my frugal side acting up, getting more bang for the buck. This time I went for the R2E and it is a bit of a headache for sure that's emphasized by the fact I paid 450 smackers for it. I really, really hope they remove the TDP limit.

I even found a combination on my board that gives me 4.2GHz and 1900MHz DRAM at a lower voltage cost than 4.2GHz with 1600MHz but I cannot use it as I need to make use of the 23x turbo multiplier which shuts off every time when temps get past 80-ish celsius.