4850 vs 9800GTX+

[JS1234]

Honestly, which is better? Both have 512mb of vRAM. Both are around $200. I have looked through countless benchmarks and they look to be equal. Which would be the better buy? Just playing at 1440x900 and possibly 1680x1050 in the future.

I know nvidia is on top of the ball with driver support. ATI seems to be....lacking...

Also, what is the main difference between the GTX and GTX+?

[bl4ckdr4g00n]

the main different between "+" an "non +" is 55nm process and may be core and mem clock
4850 512MB isnt suppose to compare to 9800GTX+...
but 4850 1GB is really interested me

[Tonucci]

I would not consider the 9800GTX+ because of its price. The 9800GT ULTIMATE has the same amount of shaders, higher core clock, lower mem clock and cost alot less.

But even with the 9800GT ultimate being almost the same thing but cheaper, I'd choose the hd4850. Its faster (most of the time) when 4x/8x AA is used @ high res and settings.

[JS1234]

the main different between "+" an "non +" is 55nm process and may be core and mem clock
4850 512MB isnt suppose to compare to 9800GTX+...
but 4850 1GB is really interested me

Well what is it supposed to go up against?

The 9800GTX+ is looking pretty cheap.

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...gon=&langid=EN

Right around the price of a 4850.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

the 4850 is MUCH better with 8xAA which is what you will be using all the time at 1440x900 and 1680x1050.

I think if you found benches of 9800gtx+ vs 4850 @ 1680x1050 8xAA the 4850 would win by a significant margin. with less AA there is less margin.


(hopefully that was unbiased enough to avoid flame )

[cowie]

i have both cards,the 4850's gathering dust
and i beg to differ but increased aa on 4850 is not a reality.
cooling,drivers,warrenty/step-up and the great overclockig right out of the box put the gtx+ over the top.
the gtx+ is the most underated card out right now
thats just my opinion and findings

[Tonucci]

the gtx+ disguised as 9800gt ultimate is the most underated card out right now

Fixed

[cowie]

i said underrated not unknown lol
oh that cards a gts? man i must live under a rock i gotta try 1 of those gtu's(?)

[Tonucci]

i said underrated not unknown lol

Thats why its underated Coz most people don know that this particular model has 128 Stream Processors just like the GTX+. And its like 30 bucks cheaper.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121266

[cowie]

i know this is way off topic.......but i have a asus gtu coming
i hope it runs fast when i give it volts
125 after mir no risk i'd say he he
thanks tonucci

[Tonucci]

i know this is way off topic.......but i have a asus gtu coming
i hope it runs fast when i give it volts
125 after mir no risk i'd say he he
thanks tonucci

No problem mate

Post your results when you are done, if possible. I'd like to see how it does when overvolted.

Back to topic... I'd still choose the 4850 over the 9800GT ultimate for the 8x AA performance and DX10.1 support for future games (minor detail).

But in the end, its an matter of personal preference, since the GTU is a lil cheaper... very similar price/performance ratios I'd say.

[clayton]

EVGA easily makes it top the 4850. Better cooler, step-up program if you have more money later, EVGA support/warranty, and pretty close performances. I have a 4850 on my HTPC which forced me to upgrade to 3rd party cooler. Next card will indeed be EVGA or nothing.

[JS1234]

EVGA easily makes it top the 4850. Better cooler, step-up program if you have more money later, EVGA support/warranty, and pretty close performances. I have a 4850 on my HTPC which forced me to upgrade to 3rd party cooler. Next card will indeed be EVGA or nothing.

Ah jeeze you're thinking how i am too. I mean i have seen the benchmarks and all and they both seem like great cards (including the 9800GT). But i have this Accelero S1 currently on my 8800gt...soo...what would i do with that? And i still want a warranty on my card. (Btw, i can't use step-up because im in Canada)

the 4850 is MUCH better with 8xAA which is what you will be using all the time at 1440x900 and 1680x1050.

I think if you found benches of 9800gtx+ vs 4850 @ 1680x1050 8xAA the 4850 would win by a significant margin. with less AA there is less margin.


(hopefully that was unbiased enough to avoid flame )

Yeah thanks for the reply. Is the difference really that big with using AA on the 4850 vs the 9800? I thought the 9800's could definitely handle it?

EDIT: How is XFX's warranty? Can you put a 3rd party cooler on it without voiding the warranty?

[Nasgul]

I think if you found benches of 9800gtx+ vs 4850 @ 1680x1050 8xAA the 4850 would win by a significant margin. with less AA there is less margin.

That would depend which sites reviews both cards but.......

From what I've seen here, anywhere which the 9800GTX (not the +) is on par or wins here and there? The review site lost its credibility or had lots it long time ago......http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards....=571&card2=566

I don't see the 4850 to be the magic bullet everyone "thinks" it is, I don't: http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont...13&pageid=3184

As some of you can see, the GTX+ runs with a 740mhz stock GPU core and keeps up with the 4850 OC'd to 700mhz (from its 625mhz clock).......too bad they didn't OC'd the GTX+.......

I know nvidia is on top of the ball with driver support. ATI seems to be....lacking...

nVidia is the absolute best when it comes to drivers.......yes sir. You don't have to wait for "hot fix" nor have to buy a 3rd party HSF (which adds cost to your "less expensive" than GTX card), don't run hot........

The GTX+ would be a much better card, specially if you OC'd it from the 740mhz core, which would easily do some 850mhz GPU core.....

My 9800GTX does 800-2400 w/o even braking a sweat.....temps never go above 61c.

i have both cards,the 4850's gathering dust
and i beg to differ but increased aa on 4850 is not a reality.
cooling,drivers,warrenty/step-up and the great overclockig right out of the box put the gtx+ over the top.
the gtx+ is the most underated card out right now
thats just my opinion and findings

Just listen to him......

[JS1234]

I don't see the 4850 to be the magic bullet everyone "thinks" it is, I don't: http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont...13&pageid=3184

Haha they should have OC'd the 9800GTX+ 100mhz and seen what it can do! lol...im actually curious how it would compare.

[gOtVoltage]

I sold my 4850 with a water block too.. The GTX+9800 55nm played everything the 4850 did and stayed cool . The 4850 was Overclocked 800//2400 like mad ,,to do what the 9800GTX+ does with a stock cooler. Im still testing the GTX+ since i just removed my 3870x2 from my TA770. the 4800 and 3800 series cards will not Display DVI output with the Biostar TA770 Mobo and numurouse other Mobos..If you Google DVI//ATI there are numerouse DVI//HDMI MAD customers.

The 4850 is a nice card for the price ,,but it come with numerouse hassles...

The EVGA 9800GTX+//GTX260//GTX280 install into computer and driver and play.. Its funny how the ATi cards wont display DVI on the Same Monitor with the Same DVI cable and Mobo . Ive tested 3870//3870x2// 4850//4870 ..All had a problem using the DVI out on my Mobo ....To top it Off ,,i may get a GTX260 or GTX280 if the New 4870x2 dosnt run DVI on My new ASUS 79-T..If this happens i will be using Nvidia again for DVI //HDMI,,Even though i like the 4870x2 ,, its only benifit was that i did not need two cards for Crossfire....

Note:
I still wont use SLI or Crossfire with two cards...It has to be a single card and the GX2 suck balls.

Also the 4850 series will not be a BBA ATI card... 3650/3870 4650/4870 series line are..BBA's(BUILT BY ATI)4850 are not.



If your hooked on ATI skip the 4850 and get a 4870 instead if you must have ATI. They can be Had for $250 or less just look around..

[adamsleath]

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-palit-20.html

http://www.xtremesystems.org/FORUMS/...d.php?t=201912

[Monkeywoman]

4850, its newer tech and is only going up in performance with every new driver. the 9800GTX has been out so the performance has kinda plateaued.

[gOtVoltage]

4850, its newer tech and is only going up in performance with every new driver. the 9800GTX has been out so the performance has kinda plateaued.

Review links and real life are two different things...

A simple Bench run Using my TA770 and 9950@ 3.5ghz..
All i know is the 4850 is not like the bigger 4870...Not even close I have this one Overclocked and it still fell short against the GTX+ Both Cards have 512mb of ram and Run the same exact hardware and Mobo when i benched ..

Only differance ,,i Overclocked the 4850 hoping it would really spank the GTX+ still did not help it ,,even though it did gain MORE points vs its stock clocks..The GTX9800+55nm blew right by it in all its STOCKness.

ATI//4850 @ 800//2400.....
with Cat 8.8 (8.522.2) Beta/Alfa to 8.536 Xp ..fastest ATM for this card.






Nvidia//GTX9800+ 55nm(stock) with 9950@ 3.45ghz...
I even have the CPU 50mhz lower ,,This should give the 4850 a handi cap alright..Even using WHQl 178 driver.





The origanal GTX9800 is not as fast...People need to really redo ALL the Bench test with the New GTX+9800 vs 4850.. The Overclocked 4850 couldnt even keep up with a fricken handicap ...Games are the same way...The GTX+ is not the same as a GTX..Its way different with 55nm.. i used 3Dmark06 as a quik referance and i even gave the 4850 The advantage by a big margin at that..

Im Overclocking My GTX+9800 just a little Bit and then ill compare that against both these scores..This will be using the STOCK cooler with no Mods ....The Above 4850 was using Water...piece of jumk i tell ya ..

[Caveman787]

Try it in real games 3dmark seems skewered.

[JS1234]

gOTVOLTAGE you are very lucky to have 3 cards Anyway you could do a bench comparing Crysis? And maybe some other games?

[bl4ckdr4g00n]

Well what is it supposed to go up against?

The 9800GTX+ is looking pretty cheap.

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...gon=&langid=EN

Right around the price of a 4850.

as i said ..HD4850 but with 1GB GDDR3 is more comparative to 9800GTX+ than 4850 512MB

4850 definitely wins if you play game with high resolution and AA,AF enabled

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Review links and real life are two different things...

A simple Bench run Using my TA770 and 9950@ 3.5ghz..
All i know is the 4850 is not like the bigger 4870...Not even close I have this one Overclocked and it still fell short against the GTX+ Both Cards have 512mb of ram and Run the same exact hardware and Mobo when i benched ..

Only differance ,,i Overclocked the 4850 hoping it would really spank the GTX+ still did not help it ,,even though it did gain MORE points vs its stock clocks..The GTX9800+55nm blew right by it in all its STOCKness.

ATI//4850 @ 800//2400.....
with Cat 8.8 (852.2) Beta ..fastest ATM for this card.
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Nvidia//GTX9800+ 55nm(stock) with 9950@ 3.45ghz...
I even have the CPU 50mhz lower ,,This should give the 4850 a handi cap alright..Even using WHQl 178 driver.


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The origanal GTX9800 is not as fast...People need to really redo ALL the Bench test with the New GTX+9800 vs 4850.. The Overclocked 4850 couldnt even keep up with a fricken handicap ...Games are the same way...The GTX+ is not the same as a GTX..Its way different with 55nm.. i used 3Dmark06 as a quik referance and i even gave the 4850 The advantage by a big margin at that..

Im Overclocking My GTX+9800 just a little Bit and then ill compare that against both these scores..This will be using the STOCK cooler with no Mods ....The Above 4850 was using Water...piece of jumk i tell ya ..

you had to bring up 06 ....

the only thing in that bench of the 9800gtx+ that is faster is the SM 2.0, in fact it gets beat by 322 points in SM3.0, and what the hell uses sm2.0 anyway.

that said, the 4850 has:
-better 8x AA performance
-DX10.1 (if/when you need it)
-better video playback quality
(no bleeding, better blacks, no ghosting, better control for video)


and you might need to get a 20$ accelero s1 for it, but who really cares, its a solid universal cooler, so its not really fair to tack it onto the vga price

[gOtVoltage]

Try it in real games 3dmark seems skewered.

I have,, the GTX+ beats it... The Thing is People have the performance of the origanal GTX confused with the +GTX..

They are two different technologies..the LaterGTX sucks balls..The 55nm performs night and day over it ..i Know i exchanged a GTX for a GTX+ and had tested both against my 4850...The first genGTX was back and forth with the 4850..The GTX+ left it in the Dust..

..The GTX+ tails the 4870 not the 4850..

4850 will beat the firstgen 9800GTX,, 4850 gets beat by NewGen GTX+55nm GTX+55nm which scales closer to the 4870 .The 4870 which wipes its --- with GTX+.

ATI IS King ATM with 4870 series...the 4850 does not perfom well on its own..maybe in CROSSFIRE or TRIPPLE but not by its self. Especially the 512mb version..

What about the DVI play back issues,, and No fan support,, bad powerplay and Overclock functions in CCC ,,oops those are big too...If your looking for a card that you can throw in and not replace the stock cooler the 4850 is not the one to get...

Besides 3dmark06,,babling... The 485O was heavily overclocked ..Thats the Only reason the SM 3.0 score was even higher at all. SM3 relies on high Ram freqency ..2400mhz vs 2200mhz is very noticable..If i ran it stock the card would be in the mid 14000..Thats sad.

I was gonna go CROSSFIRE 4850's but my 3870x2 makes three of them look sad real easy..


I use Both ATI and Nvidia ,, i am not for one or the other.. If it was just a matter of saying (get the 4850 its the bomb),,i would not waste my time typing this info..

P.S ill load Crysis.....

Crysis fricken 1.2 updates suck and dont install. so it will be with the Unpatched 1.1...Im shure i have some screens of My 4850 with Crysis...If not ill need some one to run a Stock 4850 so i can post all AA benches with GTX+9800.. I also am benching @ 3.45ghz Phenom...I can lower the Clocks to 3.0ghz if i need too

[zanzabar]

did u change the name of 2dmark before benching amd throttles their cards now, and NV uses custom filters and changes prerendered frames so that 500 point difference will go way

and gtx+ and gtx both have the 65nm, there are few gtx+ with the 55nm, and they are the same architecture just oced


test usefull things like COD4 or UT