OFFICIAL Holloween Race Roster & Details

[Marvin_The_Martian]

No, I really want to stear away from having only two teams for reasons I mentioned before... if you don't trust my judgement that's your good right, but tell me atleast 5 other good running teams who compete on a regular basis within eachother devided into two teams?

Other then that, I do agree the burden shouldn't fall on the organizers but on predetermined rules and enforcing those rules should be a matter of proper conduct anyway.

Edit: I don't want to prevent new people from joining, but they should form new teams untill the season ends and they everything is open again untill the next season starts ( which is always the same amount of time ).

I do want to prevent people such as WFO to come in and change the entire outcome of a race actually....

Maybe people worked months to prepare, weeks getting the right hw to take on the big team.. then WFO joins another lesser but not bad team and they WIN it just because of his arrival. Think of it as a sport, you want competition but you also don't want angry fans because their entire seasonal balance has changed due to one thing. If you force him to take four of his [H] folding buddies with him, it only would be great for us because we would gain the ppd, and really I can't think of drawbacks to forcing new people in new teams.

I think to form teams, you do need to appoint captains btw, you can't trust self regulation to form teams.

[Shadowtester]

Another thought to prevent sand bagging for the average ppd value you could use the last say 3 months total ppd from EOC then divide by 90 that would make it hard for someone to have been sand bagging and maybe more fair. For any racer who has not been folding for a full 3 months take their total points and divide by the number of days they have been folding to get their ppd value. The big thing you would need to close registration for the race say a week before the race to give time for the racers to vote on the number of teams they want and then to let everyone pick what team they want to join for the race.

[Shadowtester]

I don't really like just two team as well I think the number of teams will be hard to determine until the total number of racers is known you will want the number of teams low enough so teams have several members each. And adding late racers is fine you will just need to establish rules as to how they are allowed to participate such as previously suggested make them join the last place team is a good idea.

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

2 teams = Democrats and Republicans

I do not want to go down this road!

Even having just 3 teams (not more than 4 really, too much to compute) would be great and really keep things interesting.

[Shadowtester]

I think the total number of teams will be governed by the total number of racers like currently you have 15 racers it would be hard to have more than 3 teams and they would be pretty small if you get say 100 racers that opens up the possibility for say maybe as many as 6 or 8 good size teams.

[MikeB12]

I'm going to keep my input out of roster organization on this one, others need a chance without me influencing it.

but if it helps, and yall feel that you don't want to repeat any mistakes here's how the last one was done.

The last one was open enrollment, 2 teams the entire 2 week (8/18-98/31) enrollment period. the only thing I did was add up the eoc 24hr averages of each team and post them each day so everyone would know which team had the higher/lower eoc average ppd. just go through the first 20 pgs of that thread and you'll see everyone chose their team (most likely based on the which team had the lower 24 hr eoc ppd average the day they joined)... since I was adding the eoc 24hr average of each team everyday and posting it, it wasn't hard for members to keep the teams equal on their own accord by joining whichever team needed the points. the only 2 members who did not choose their team were the late entries, and they had no effect on final points of the comp anyway. what did have the largest effect on final points was that people turned in different production during the comp (91/-9/14) than what they reported during the enrollment period (8/18-8/31). that may be something no one can control, it's just the nature of the beast. doesn't mean anyone cheated or did it with malice.

so read this last paragraph, understand how the last comp was organized, what the end result was, and figure out how you want to do it differently this time...


other than that I really don't have anything to input on this go round. I did the last one by the numbers by eoc averages and let everyone choose their team with the average numbers being posted each day of enrollment... and it was dead on even Aug 31, but by sep 14 it was not.

so if anyone come up with a better method than using eoc averages and letting members choose teams, then by all means let your voice be heard...

but like I said, I plan on not being a big input on how this one is done, all I can really do is help clarify how the last one was done, so if anyone wants to change it they will have a clear picture of the last organization process to learn from.

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Synth the computing this turn around would be done on silicon not in someone's mind. It goes easier then, and not to mention.. easier

So... you need not to limit the team number to keep it easy. Though I'm contradicting my own KIS saying now, which I won't so I won't say you need more teams either.

I think shadowmage ment that we need to set a x amount of teams ( let's say 10 ) on the start of each season and you create a total number with the active numbers of folders, and the total ppd at that day, dividing that number through the number of teams will give each team a limit to which it can't pass when it 'signs' new players. He already worked it out better I guess but that's what he described and it looks pretty solid to me

Just the number of teams is a real debate point, should it be static, dynamic as well? How do you create the teams exactly? Who acts as a referee ( I think Riptide could do this if he agrees, he has both the experience and the standing to be an excellent judge! ).

Edit:

And, like I said, you do not allow new players on the teams, they have to sit out a season in which they joined before they can enter the competitions. Again I also don't want to say if something is done on purpose or not it doesn't even matter. I just want people to be on the team long enough for the ppd baseline to be made, and there need to be a limit for the time is my proposal

[Marvin_The_Martian]

I could edit the post to react to Mike but I hope I'm forgiven the double post, It's not a habit of mine so I won't repeat it soon

I think the contest would have been more fun on the smaller scale like I treid to 'paint' you, that's one of my big reasons to post. Making it easy to join, and easy to follow ( both with updated graphics and with easy to understand rules ) is the other big reason.

How it's done, that's why I posted, I'm not sure. Mike I understand and respect your decission on not wanting to participate in tallying the next context, but I'm not asking for that. I'm asking for your creative mind to have that flikker of brilliance I think you do have burning and give maybe some thoughts on what you think, now what you know

And you do know what I mean, don't tell me you don't

[MikeB12]

Mike I understand and respect your decission on not wanting to participate in tallying the next context, but I'm not asking for that.

actually, I don't mind doing the stats calculations, spreadsheets, and graphs... I'd already volunteered to do that, and DAK was volunteering the roster list post (OP of this thread).

the miscommunication here is:
I'm not going to influence how yall want to organize teams this time. That has nothing to do with stats tallies. From my understanding it's going to be a 4 week comp, with weekly stats updates posted by me in the same form it was last time (spreadsheet and graphs)...

the number of teams, how they are organized, and whatever else is involved politically and organizationally is up to yall... I'm just the bean counter on this one.

(unless you think you want to give your database idea try and import stats if you know how to do that. http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/?nav=XML
, in which case I can create a ftp account and database admin account for you on my domain.. you can have full rights to an ftp directory and a databse of your choice)


otherwise I'm just gonna do the old copy/paste to Excel like I did the last tally... except this one will be weekly, instead of daily.
the number of teams, how they are organized, etc... will dictate how I setup the spreadsheets, but I'm not going to be an influence on how the teams are organized by number of teams or membership.

[[XC] riptide]

2 teams are for noobs. How about 3 or more teams. Seriously. I say Ohio vs 49States vs EU/Asia.

EDIT: Anyway.... heres an interesting idea. How about... the last 2 teams members, go about recruiting and helping their own respective NEW recruits and only the recruits points are counted on the team?

[Marvin_The_Martian]

actually, I don't mind doing the stats calculations, spreadsheets, and graphs... I'd already volunteered to do that, and DAK was volunteering the roster list post (OP of this thread).

the miscommunication here is:
I'm not going to influence how yall want to organize teams this time. That has nothing to do with stats tallies. From my understanding it's going to be a 4 week comp, with weekly stats updates posted by me in the same form it was last time (spreadsheet and graphs)...

the number of teams, how they are organized, and whatever else is involved politically and organizationally is up to yall... I'm just the bean counter on this one.

(unless you think you want to give your database idea try and import stats if you know how to do that. http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/?nav=XML
, in which case I can create a ftp account and database admin account for you on my domain.. you can have full rights to an ftp directory and a databse of your choice)


otherwise I'm just gonna do the old copy/paste to Excel like I did the last tally... except this one will be weekly, instead of daily.
the number of teams, how they are organized, etc... will dictate how I setup the spreadsheets, but I'm not going to be an influence on how the teams are organized by number of teams or membership.

I misread that sorry

I can handle the xml data and manage nice graphs from that if you allow asp.net to be ran? I will need allot of thinkering time and maybe a hand but it should be both fun to do and a good learning experience.

And I really would like the thoughts about the other subject... I really think your ideas about how things should be done can help!

edit ygpm

[MikeB12]

if you allow asp.net to be ran?

let me know.. if you want,
then pm me a desired username/password for the ftp account.
and if you want a blank database to be created, the name of the database, type of database (msql or access), and a username/password for database admin account...

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Ok I do need to ask Jason for a new account though before I even can get started on importing stats from EOC. Maybe I should try to do the official stats but that's much more work!

[MikeB12]

It's probably a lot less work for me just to do weekly copy/pastes from user weekly totals for each team into a spreadsheet, run the subtotals, and relevant graphs...
like last time, except only once a week instead of daily. the daily tallies is what turned that last comp tally into a huge spreadsheet.

a weekly tally would have only been 2 columns instead of the moster you see in that link. I know it's confusing to look at, just think what it was like for me to create it and double check everyday as DAK beat on his "wakeup trashcan" at 5AM every morning for 2 weeks.
yelling "WAKEUP MIKE! WHERE"S THE UPDATE!"

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Yeah but a team page with nice pie graphs is only one step

Edit: offcourse it's all about accesability and ease of use. If spreadsheets are what people want I won't bring this up again

Also I already mailed Jason again, hope he responds timely and positively.

let me know.. if you want,
then pm me a desired username/password for the ftp account.
and if you want a blank database to be created, the name of the database, type of database (msql or access), and a username/password for database admin account...

Let's keep this waiting untill Jason agrees to give me new credentials

[DAK1640]

Very good input from all, thanks. I too agree multiple teams is good (more than 2). Allow me to continue to compile the roster, after we are close to start date, we can the calculate team sizes. Kepp signing up people. This is a Grand Event with a Candy Bar & Smashed pumpkin going to the winning team.

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

Synth the computing this turn around would be done on silicon not in someone's mind. It goes easier then, and not to mention.. easier

Hun?

[Sparky]

2 teams are for noobs. How about 3 or more teams. Seriously. I say Ohio vs 49States vs EU/Asia.

EDIT: Anyway.... heres an interesting idea. How about... the last 2 teams members, go about recruiting and helping their own respective NEW recruits and only the recruits points are counted on the team?

Ohio vs ...... mutter mutter grumble.....


How about Riptide vs OHIO!

[Sparky]

Very good input from all, thanks. I too agree multiple teams is good (more than 2). Allow me to continue to compile the roster, after we are close to start date, we can the calculate team sizes. Kepp signing up people. This is a Grand Event with a Candy Bar & Smashed pumpkin going to the winning team.

I want a butterfinger! King size! Two of them! Pleeeeeeeaaaase?

you can keep the smashed pumpkin!

[ThunderDuck]

I need clarification on hardware rules. Is it going to be finish with what you start with? Or add what you want when you want?

[Edit]Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along. There were no numbers about future production posted here.

[Rmc[AZ]]

Wow, this thread is really long already... so long in fact, that I didn't read it all.

I am in, but if there's more than 2 teams somebody will just have to place me on one. Otherwise, I'm on Team X again.

[DAK1640]

I want a butterfinger! King size! Two of them! Pleeeeeeeaaaase?

you can keep the smashed pumpkin!

OK. Here's 2 plus a bonus bar...

[Shadowtester]

Being an outsider the secret weapons that were being brought out during the last race was what made one keep coming back to see what was being pull out next. I think it should be no holds barred after the race starts.

[DAK1640]

I too feel anyone can bring anything they want to the party, and add as they feel necessary or willing/able.

[MaK2000]

Uh oh. Someone tell the boss man we were planning things without him? NOW WE'RE IN TROUBLE!!