Intel brings forward Nehalem Launch

[chuckbam]

Do wait, everything available now is only improved old technology. If you need an upgrade, go on the cheap. They are now giving away the best out there if you know what to look for.

[chuckbam]

How much would the motherboard tho be, and i guess since there tripple channel then 3gb of memory. I dunno if i could afford that. Cuss assuming the boards will be $200 or something and the ram probly $250 for 3gb altho i dont want 3GB then the only option would be 6GB ? and thats gonna be like $400 going off how much 4GB is right now so what thats like $800, i dont have that much cash.

Hmm

$284 is the opening/ I paid that for the Q6600. Sets of 3 DDR3 will be out. DDR3 at newegg cas 7 is getting cheaper every week
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227309

If you wait a Little , you should be able to get a good board with 6 or 8 Phase power deign/ ICH10R from maybe Abit or MSI under 150 bucks. Asus probably more like $200 bucks.

maybe sell some old parts.


Sorry I posted so many times in a row.

[ziddey]

for what it's worth, if you wanted to upgrade now, maybe go even lower. go with the 2x1gb ddr2 kits that are 20ar nowadays. pretty negligible, and you'd probably be able to even make money back by selling your old ddr1. then, for the cpu, either grab a e2180 or some other cheap e2xxx, or if you must, the e7200 is only $120. damned good deal. after some overclocking, it'd be damned impressive still. you won't be disappointed one bit, especially coming from an opteron 165 @ 3ghz. that'd let you wait it out.

For what it's worth, nehalem won't shatter the penryns, although certain things will obviously be vastly improved. In the long run, you'd have something that's still more than fast enough for today and tomorrow, and by tomorrow, nehalem and associated ddr3 prices will have plummeted.

All depends if you want to play the waiting game or buy now / soon. If you wanted to wait, you'd think it'd only be 6 months, but then it'd be a year, and by then, if you'd been patient enough, you'd be thinking "damn it, just another 6 months".

[chuckbam]

I ...... hate waiting. I'm just gonna upgrade to ...... E8500 4GB ram and a P5Q board

That should hold you over. But why not get a cheaper CPU and overclock a little? like an E7200? You can't use the 4gbs of ram in the P5Q? What does the P5Q/ P45 have over the P35 in the real world ? I have not read up on that chipset.

I did see that Asus has one with 16-Phase power, wow!

[ziddey]

aye I suppose 4gb ddr2 is cheap enough. but e7200 is definitely way worthier than the e8500. conroes and penryns dont really take a big plunge when they lose half their cache. the e7200's overclock quite well too.

[chuckbam]

No i cant do 4x1gb in my opteron system i ment.


I can afford a e8500 thats why an i want the higher multi there only $180

I just was wondering why you could not use the memory you have now in your new board.

Intel coming out with a new socket is a big deal. I would have an x48 this week if I thought it would be a real improvement. I want 4 cores and hyprthread. I want the memory controler on the CPU +++. I will go with the cheap Bloomfield. And (dumb I know) 12 GB of memory. (I fool with the OS some).

They will have a bunch of cheaper socket 1366 CPUs that will come out after the Bloomfield

I have not read a thing about an AMD CPU (or board) since they stopped being Intel pin compatible so I don't know what you have now.

I would just put together a good but cheap system and plan an upgrade in maybe a year.

The currant Intel technology is at a bargain right know. Correct me please if I am wrong, but if you stay with DDR2, what has been the improvements in the chipsets after the 965 other than a small memory improvement and maybe PCI-X 2.0.

You may not be able to Overclock a e8500 that much and the board you are looking at has all the OC features.

[ziddey]

i think that's s939 so ddr1 ram

[safan80]

You'll want 6GB DDR3, it's triple-channel.

I'll take at least 12GB thank you

[chuckbam]

i think that's s939 so ddr1 ram

Oh

I would go with a cheaper CPU and overclocking board or a faster CPU and maybe an Intel board or something like a P35 Vanilla.

Just my -2 cents

non OC

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813121314

OC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131277


I just looked these over fast as examples.

[dexman]

No i cant do 4x1gb in my opteron system i ment.

i had the same problem on my 939 board. a new bios solved it.

btw, support for DDR3-1066 only? that means you have to oc how much to make DDR3-1600 work at its default clock?

[Aberration]

266 -> 400.

Thats what I am doing on my E6600 now.

[dexman]

^^thats FSB though. with cpu multiplier 20x, QPI real clock speed should be 133 Mhz. memory speed then should be 133x20/2.5=1066 ; so for the DDR3-1600 it should be 200x20/2.5=1600 ; please correct me if i'm wrong

[chuckbam]

^^thats FSB though. with cpu multiplier 20x, QPI real clock speed should be 133 Mhz. memory speed then should be 133x20/2.5=1066 ; so for the DDR3-1600 it should be 200x20/2.5=1600 ; please correct me if i'm wrong

That is the way I read it.

[Aberration]

If that is the case, then it should probably be very easy to get to that speed?

[dexman]

at 200Mhz QPI you get 4GHz on cores. you could lower the cpu multiplier but then the memory speed would drop too. so who knows, i think 4GHz should be doable. what i don't get is why they dont make support for higher memory speeds. whats stopping them from supporting DDR3-1600 or 2000 out of the box? any ideas

[Aberration]

Might have to do with the ability of the QPI and IMC circuitry.

[Shintai]

at 200Mhz QPI you get 4GHz on cores. you could lower the cpu multiplier but then the memory speed would drop too. so who knows, i think 4GHz should be doable. what i don't get is why they dont make support for higher memory speeds. whats stopping them from supporting DDR3-1600 or 2000 out of the box? any ideas

Im sure they support it. But as far as I know, Only up to DDR3-1333 is JEDEC standard yet.

[Extelleron]

How hard will it be to get the base clock to 200MHz? I'm wondering how easy/hard it will be to get the 2.66GHz Nehalem to 4.0GHz on air cooling. The actual Nehalem core should be capable of similar (or even better perhaps, because of the deeper pipeline) clocks to Core 2, so the question is whether or not the non-XE versions will be held back as much as a CPU like the Q9300 or Q9450 is held back now.

[Blauhung]

How hard will it be to get the base clock to 200MHz? I'm wondering how easy/hard it will be to get the 2.66GHz Nehalem to 4.0GHz on air cooling. The actual Nehalem core should be capable of similar (or even better perhaps, because of the deeper pipeline) clocks to Core 2, so the question is whether or not the non-XE versions will be held back as much as a CPU like the Q9300 or Q9450 is held back now.

The reference clock isn't really designed to scale that way, so it'll be interesting if you are trying to push it up that high I think. But we could be surprised.

[npk]

The reference clock isn't really designed to scale that way, so it'll be interesting if you are trying to push it up that high I think. But we could be surprised.

So how are these cpu´s supposed to be overclocked? I mean if cpu freq is "pll clock*cpu multiplier" we must be able to adjust any of those two factors to increase frecuency right? or am I missing something here?

[Donnie27]

How hard will it be to get the base clock to 200MHz? I'm wondering how easy/hard it will be to get the 2.66GHz Nehalem to 4.0GHz on air cooling. The actual Nehalem core should be capable of similar (or even better perhaps, because of the deeper pipeline) clocks to Core 2, so the question is whether or not the non-XE versions will be held back as much as a CPU like the Q9300 or Q9450 is held back now.

Held back?

[Blauhung]

So how are these cpu´s supposed to be overclocked? I mean if cpu freq is "pll clock*cpu multiplier" we must be able to adjust any of those two factors to increase frecuency right? or am I missing something here?

I was more speaking of getting the ref clock from 133 to 200 might be a bit of a feat. The ref clock will increase, but it remains to be seen if a 50% overclock on the reference clock is even obtainable. All i'm saying is without hearing more, don't get your hopes up on seeing the reference clock move that much.

[bowman]

I doubt the reference clock is designed to be overclocked on AMDs either but they seem to go high enough on select chips.

If they don't overclock well via the reference clock or the board manufacturers don't figure out a way to sneak in higher multipliers than intended through 'Turbo' then I must say I'm less tempted. A $999 CPU is probably the last thing I'll ever buy.

[Calmatory]

If one can't OC nehalem, then why getting one? ...unless early 2 GHz Nehalem is faster than 3.8-4.2 GHz Core2Quad.

...which I doubt.

[Donnie27]

I doubt the reference clock is designed to be overclocked on AMDs either but they seem to go high enough on select chips.

If they don't overclock well via the reference clock or the board manufacturers don't figure out a way to sneak in higher multipliers than intended through 'Turbo' then I must say I'm less tempted. A $999 CPU is probably the last thing I'll ever buy.

Why buy a $999 processor when the 2.66GHz is already given a $284 tp-1000. $299 to $325? There hasn't been many times that folks bought a top to then overclock.

It will kick a$$ without high overclocks anyway. That's without comparing it to an already slower AMD but Intel processors as well.