First International Xtremesystems Overclocking Competition RULES

[GJ]

I would be awesome to see someone replace the gpu and memory...

[ctgilles]

Holst, I just tested the ECS and it's dead
Replace it by a Mystery Prize, I'll come up with something

Oh, I recieved my card 3 days ago, thanks saaya

[Holst]

Originally posted by charlie
Just so we can get a handle on the rules....in unlimited, is mem chip swap legal? Yes? Ok, what about GPU swap? Componentry? Caps and resistors?? PCB?? For all the PSYCHO's out there we need more rule clarification. Otherwise some psycho will fit a Xabre600 GPU on one of these cards...lol.

You must use the PCB you have been given.

You may swap the GPU.... but ONLY for another xabre200 one. (Xtreme catagory only)

You may remove, modify or replace the voltage regulation in any catagory.

There may be some mods that I havent thought of... these will be legal unless the judges decide them to be unsporting..

[Slickthellama]

hey saaya, I recieved my card today. danke sehr

[charlie]

changing out the co-processor?? Hmmmm?

C

[Holst]

Originally posted by charlie
changing out the co-processor?? Hmmmm?

C

I dont see why removing or changing the TV out chip would help.... but you can if you want.

[MrIcee]

Heres my 2 cents again

In the unlimited category, voltage mods, regulator swaps, adding caps etc etc seems like excellent guidelines.

On the otherhand, there are only a couple people here with the knowledge and equipment necessary to be swapping memory chips. I'm glad Holst clarified the GPU swap as IMO Charlie hit the nail on the head 100%...you'd have the few swapping on Xabre 600's.

Heres my bottomline feeling:

The Xabre 200 was chosen to put EVERYTONE on equal ground. That was the equalizing factor amongst us all. Do all the volt mods, driver hacks, cooling etc you want. Your tuned system and volt mod, cooling and driver know how will make the difference in scores.

Allowing any memory swaps immediately takes the equalizing feature away, allowing a a few an advantage that the majority cannot match. Let's face it, all those running A64's will be in class 1 even if they are just aircooled, and not a true "unlimited" system that may be ultra Mhz and phasechange cooled.

That in and of itself should be impetus for maintaining stock GPU and Memory on the card, but everything else goes.

The underlying feature of this competetion between our members was one common denominator, The Xabre 200. Not an Xabre 200 with Winbond BH-5 chips installed, that only a couple people are capable of doing. Even in Class 1...because by default you have some members not really running unlimited systems that are in this class because they purely are running A64's, some on air only.

Maintaining stock GPU and Memory seems to be the only way to maintain fairness because of the xtremes of CPU power (low to high)competing in Class 1.

Randi

[faruquehabib]

Originally posted by MrIcee
Heres my 2 cents again

In the unlimited category, voltage mods, regulator swaps, adding caps etc etc seems like excellent guidelines.

On the otherhand, there are only a couple people here with the knowledge and equipment necessary to be swapping memory chips. I'm glad Holst clarified the GPU swap as IMO Charlie hit the nail on the head 100%...you'd have the few swapping on Xabre 600's.

Heres my bottomline feeling:

The Xabre 200 was chosen to put EVERYTONE on equal ground. That was the equalizing factor amongst us all. Do all the volt mods, driver hacks, cooling etc you want. Your tuned system and volt mod, cooling and driver know how will make the difference in scores.

Allowing any memory swaps immediately takes the equalizing feature away, allowing a a few an advantage that the majority cannot match. Let's face it, all those running A64's will be in class 1 even if they are just aircooled, and not a true "unlimited" system that may be ultra Mhz and phasechange cooled.

That in and of itself should be impetus for maintaining stock GPU and Memory on the card, but everything else goes.

The underlying feature of this competetion between our members was one common denominator, The Xabre 200. Not an Xabre 200 with Winbond BH-5 chips installed, that only a couple people are capable of doing. Even in Class 1...because by default you have some members not really running unlimited systems that are in this class because they purely are running A64's, some on air only.

Maintaining stock GPU and Memory seems to be the only way to maintain fairness because of the xtremes of CPU power (low to high)competing in Class 1.

Randi

very good point

[Holst]

Originally posted by MrIcee
Heres my 2 cents again

In the unlimited category, voltage mods, regulator swaps, adding caps etc etc seems like excellent guidelines.

On the otherhand, there are only a couple people here with the knowledge and equipment necessary to be swapping memory chips. I'm glad Holst clarified the GPU swap as IMO Charlie hit the nail on the head 100%...you'd have the few swapping on Xabre 600's.

Heres my bottomline feeling:

The Xabre 200 was chosen to put EVERYTONE on equal ground. That was the equalizing factor amongst us all. Do all the volt mods, driver hacks, cooling etc you want. Your tuned system and volt mod, cooling and driver know how will make the difference in scores.

Allowing any memory swaps immediately takes the equalizing feature away, allowing a a few an advantage that the majority cannot match. Let's face it, all those running A64's will be in class 1 even if they are just aircooled, and not a true "unlimited" system that may be ultra Mhz and phasechange cooled.

That in and of itself should be impetus for maintaining stock GPU and Memory on the card, but everything else goes.

The underlying feature of this competetion between our members was one common denominator, The Xabre 200. Not an Xabre 200 with Winbond BH-5 chips installed, that only a couple people are capable of doing. Even in Class 1...because by default you have some members not really running unlimited systems that are in this class because they purely are running A64's, some on air only.

Maintaining stock GPU and Memory seems to be the only way to maintain fairness because of the xtremes of CPU power (low to high)competing in Class 1.

Randi

I have allowed memory swaps in the extreme catagory as the idea of Xtreme is to push people into doing new things... memory swap being the most Xtreme of these.

If I can find some suitagle memory myself I will be attempting this... and I will post a guide on how to do it.

However I do agree that this is somewhat unfair on A64 people who are not running extreme anything else (amazing how things move in a month.. when I wrote these rules very few peeps had A64/FZ) I may add another catagory to give these people a chance... let me confir with saaya and get a little more sober :P

[charlie]

I happen to know RIGHT NOW where to get a spare parts board with 2.8nS Sammy that will "drop in". Better be careful with the rules...someone will exploit every last mm of the allowed mods!

C

[Holst]

Your points made here make sense.

I have now added in an adtional class (Class8) for extreme CPUs (A64/FX/Opteron/P4EE) where memory swap is illegal...

Ive done it this way as I didnt want to ban memory swap... Although preventing guys with A64 from competing unless they did a memory swap was unfair... so they get there own section.

Originally posted by MrIcee
Heres my 2 cents again

In the unlimited category, voltage mods, regulator swaps, adding caps etc etc seems like excellent guidelines.

On the otherhand, there are only a couple people here with the knowledge and equipment necessary to be swapping memory chips. I'm glad Holst clarified the GPU swap as IMO Charlie hit the nail on the head 100%...you'd have the few swapping on Xabre 600's.

Heres my bottomline feeling:

The Xabre 200 was chosen to put EVERYTONE on equal ground. That was the equalizing factor amongst us all. Do all the volt mods, driver hacks, cooling etc you want. Your tuned system and volt mod, cooling and driver know how will make the difference in scores.

Allowing any memory swaps immediately takes the equalizing feature away, allowing a a few an advantage that the majority cannot match. Let's face it, all those running A64's will be in class 1 even if they are just aircooled, and not a true "unlimited" system that may be ultra Mhz and phasechange cooled.

That in and of itself should be impetus for maintaining stock GPU and Memory on the card, but everything else goes.

The underlying feature of this competetion between our members was one common denominator, The Xabre 200. Not an Xabre 200 with Winbond BH-5 chips installed, that only a couple people are capable of doing. Even in Class 1...because by default you have some members not really running unlimited systems that are in this class because they purely are running A64's, some on air only.

Maintaining stock GPU and Memory seems to be the only way to maintain fairness because of the xtremes of CPU power (low to high)competing in Class 1.

Randi

[Holst]

I havent included cooling classes for the xtreme CPU guys... as I expect most of them to be running pelt or phase change anyway... if there is demand for an aircoooled class let me know and ill look at the numbers.

[charlie]

In that case, you may as well allow GPU changes (if it can be done) in class 1. It'll be fun to see what kind of Frankensteins these guys can create! Just make the rule that ALL COMPONENTS MUST BE MOUNTED ON THE ORIGINAL ECS PCB. MODIFICATIONS TO PCB ARE ALLOWED, BUT ORIGINAL, FACTORY PCB MUST BE AT LEAST 80% INTACT.

(Meaning you can't dremel out the center of the PCB for the 200 leaving 1cm around the edges, and mount a 600 card in the middle, lol

C

C

[ctgilles]

If anyone gets a 9800 XT on it, I'm buying beers for everyone

[CCW]

I wouldve thought the memory bus on the pcb would restrict the performance of better memory chips anyway, same for the GPU

[charlie]

CCW,
Actually from my preliminary research, a Xabre400 chiipset should drop-in and function at 250/250 with the X400 4.0nS memory.

C

[Nico]

Holst,

Weren't you originally going to give the non-Barton AMD CPU's a 100mhz extra allowance? I think Bartons will still have the advantage as saturation seems to be up around 2.6g for a tbred.

[luihed]

Edit:wrong thread

[Nico]

Originally posted by Nico
Holst,

Weren't you originally going to give the non-Barton AMD CPU's a 100mhz extra allowance? I think Bartons will still have the advantage as saturation seems to be up around 2.6g for a tbred.

Ok, I retract the above statement. It doesn't seem to make any difference for me if I increase to 2.4 or 2.78. If the Barton have an advantage then mhz isn't going to help.

2300 - 8524
2400 - 8512
2780 - 8548

[Holst]

Tryng to quantify any advantage a barton may have is impossible...

I felt it was better to just go on clock speed, and as you have noticed.. there isnt much CPU scaling effect with these cards..

[ctgilles]

Saaya, concerning my money YGPM

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[saaya]

i thougt we would start last monday, but some people still havent got their cards and atm it looks everybody just starts tweaking as soon as he gets the card, so the competition is opened already... i guess

[Holst]

I was going to say a month from everybody getting there cards for the closing date... does that seem OK ?

I think that will make it Febuary 14th .. say midday GMT...

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