AMD Istanbul chip die picture

[biohead]

all i see is a title saying REAL PICTURE and then a picture posted saying NOT REAL. wth.

[Nedjo]

AMD will never be back, the war is over. AMD is a budget cpu manufacturer like they were before the Athlon days, except now they are losing half a billion dollars a quarter.

Well if you consider 80% of Intel's desktop offering, they're also budget CPU manufacturer!

and by no means AMD isn't loosing half a billion $ per quorter!

Now please can we get some serious comment on this forum, or just childish faboyism?!

[Nedjo]

all i see is a title saying REAL PICTURE and then a picture posted saying NOT REAL. wth.

Seeing that you're from Netherlands I can understand that English isn't your native language, but dude, WHERE IN THE WORLD you've read in title "real picture"?!?!

[GAR]

I hope AMD can make a miracle comeback!!!!!!! go AMD!!!!!!!

[Data_]

AMD has a good opportunity to come back. Hopefully it will be able to compete with next Intel generation CPUs.

[Spawne32]

Whoever is familiar with Mr. De Vries work knows how insightful he is when it comes to new, yet to be released CPU's. This is "artistic impression", but it's not a drawing of some kid, but the man who really knows why he has drawn this picture in the way he did. This is the most logical way that Istanbul die can look.

I appreciate your insight on how drawings work, but just because someone paints a picture doesnt mean the chips are ready.

[Spawne32]

Seeing that you're from Netherlands I can understand that English isn't your native language, but dude, WHERE IN THE WORLD you've read in title "real picture"?!?!

the part where it says CHIP DIE PICTURE
and then when you open the thread it says ARTIST IMPRESSION

[STaRGaZeR]

the part where it says CHIP DIE PICTURE
and then when you open the thread it says ARTIST IMPRESSION

I will quote that for the truth

Now please can we get some serious comment on this forum, or just childish faboyism?!

I was about to say that too. Both ways.

[AliG]

for all intel fanboys in the house, amd coming back is a GOOD THING. That means intel will continue their drive for better products, and prices will stay low, so anyone that's saying intel's already won is just ruining the thread because that means higher prices for everyone and whole lot less innovation

[villa1n]

Here's what Hans has to say:
"It's probably not a bad idea for AMD to take advantage of their relatively
small core size. At 45nm it can cram two cores (with 256 kB L1 total) into
30mm2. A single Nehalem core with 256 kB L2 also occupies ~30 mm2.

So in terms of IPC/mm2 you get two cores against one core with 2 threads."

It seems like the thread is missing the point of this artistic rendition... this is the key point here, in terms of competitive performance. And why he created the artistic rendition... because of this very fact. Core vs Core, amd's current architecture looks to be outmatched by nehalem, in terms of raw power, ipc etc... but it has an advantage of size, and if amd exploit it, it could even the playing field.

[Nedjo]

Spawne32, STaRGaZeR read again title of this thread, and please inform me when you find me writing that chip is ready!

[Neuuubeh]

makes you wonder about the potential price difference between amd's and intel's future cpus :X.

Hope both companies manage to bring out competitive products Would be happy to buy my first AMD rig sometime next year

[nn_step]

AMD don't have the R&D or capital investment to "come back" now, Intel have won.

oh yes kinda like How that stupid tiny company called Microsoft was absolutely crushed out of existence by IBM

R&D Capital doesn't equal better. More Clever engineers without bad management equals better

[Nedjo]

It seems like the thread is missing the point of this artistic rendition... this is the key point here, in terms of competitive performance. And why he created the artistic rendition... because of this very fact. Core vs Core, amd's current architecture looks to be outmatched by nehalem, in terms of raw power, ipc etc... but it has an advantage of size, and if amd exploit it, it could even the playing field.

1. This artistic rendition comes from the man who know thing or two about CPU's and I tought that someone here would be interested to see this
2. I never wrote it's real, taped out, die
3. This thread isn't about Istanbul performance
4. This thread especially isn’t about Nehalem performance
5. This thread isn't about power of AMD cores vs. Intel cores
6. This thread is about CPU that should give AMD some wind in the back next summer
7. And this thread is about physical appearance of that chip from POV of one of highly regarded man here on the Net.

What's beyond me is this amazing urge of Intel fanboys to jump over AMD in any thread here in news section, no matter what's all about! Guys why are you doing this!??!

[STaRGaZeR]

Spawne32, STaRGaZeR read again title of this thread, and please inform me when you find me writing that chip is ready!

Who's saying the chip is ready? Relax, you're very excited about an ARTIST IMPRESSION. You'll have time to get excited when Instambul becomes real, 2010 or so

[Neuuubeh]

another interesting thread derailing to worthless bs getting common

[m^2]

dude this is server CPU!

You could tell this from the start.
This changes some things.

[villa1n]

1. This artistic rendition comes from the man who know thing or two about CPU's and I tought that someone here would be interested to see this
2. I never wrote it's real, taped out, die
3. This thread isn't about Istanbul performance
4. This thread especially isn’t about Nehalem performance
5. This thread isn't about power of AMD cores vs. Intel cores
6. This thread is about CPU that should give AMD some wind in the back next summer
7. And this thread is about physical appearance of that chip from POV of one of highly regarded man here on the Net.

What's beyond me is this amazing urge of Intel fanboys to jump over AMD in any thread here in news section, no matter what's all about! Guys why are you doing this!??!

I don't think you read what i had said very carefully, you seem to have taken things that were not there.

I was pointing out, that people are missing the point of what hans is trying to show. That 2 amd cores can fit in the same space as a single nehalem core.... thus possibly giving amd a chance to create a chip that could match performance. I m not sure where you got 7 points from what i was saying.. especially the fanboyism part, did you just look at my sig, and read the word nehalem and make a judgement because what i was saying. If anything out side of neutral obvious could be taken as pro amd...
And this thread has implicit statements made by hans regarding performance. Not numbers per se, but the fact 2 cores 2 threads, vs 1 core 2 threads. Implicit. not blatant.

[vitaminc]

that's a pretty ugly 'artist impression' due to the layout... amd will probably starve using that layout.

[perkam]

AMD will never be back, the war is over. AMD is a budget cpu manufacturer like they were before the Athlon days, except now they are losing half a billion dollars a quarter.

Whether or not AMD will die will be decided in the stock market, not in in the overclocking market.

Not to mention, even in our domain, AMD wont be officially dead until Nehalem comes out, so save your eulogies for another time.

Perkam

[Spawne32]

Whether or not AMD will die will be decided in the stock market, not in in the overclocking market.

Not to mention, even in our domain, AMD wont be officially dead until Nehalem comes out, so save your eulogies for another time.

Perkam

not too soon to start rehearsal though right?

[perkam]

not too soon to start rehearsal though right?

History, if it turns out the way Intel fanboys do, will not be kind to their wallets. Let me assure you of that

Perkam

[Spawne32]

History, if it turns out the way Intel fanboys do, will not be kind to their wallets. Let me assure you of that

Perkam

lol oh i know that trust me, thats why im hoping for an AMD comeback, but you have to admire the way at which hector is destroying the company though, i dont think i could even match that kind of destruction even if i tried.

[Swatrecon_]

Yeah... if only there would be an aircooler capable of keeping a 700 mm2 AMD chip from overheating.

And they probably need to do 2 real cores against 2 of Nehalem's threads to keep up anyway...

And you think an Intel chip will be better? Get real.

AMD will never be back, the war is over. AMD is a budget cpu manufacturer like they were before the Athlon days, except now they are losing half a billion dollars a quarter.

n00b. This comment deserves nothing more.

Seeing how slow my Firefox is, I don't. Single threaded performance is more important IMO.

Try restarting your computer. It works wonders.

the part where it says CHIP DIE PICTURE
and then when you open the thread it says ARTIST IMPRESSION

yes, a DRAWN PICTURE. Get over it already. It was your misinterpretation.

lol oh i know that trust me, thats why im hoping for an AMD comeback, but you have to admire the way at which hector is destroying the company though, i dont think i could even match that kind of destruction even if i tried.

[villa1n]

I agree, amd does need Tony Stark as CEO.