Thermochill cheat? (Who can read portugese)

[coolfris]

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I do not work for feser neither did i get this info from feser.

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You do not work for Feser, but the website where you are an administrator is sponsered by Feser. So do not pretend your objective in this matter.

[Vapor]

It's a design choice just as much as nV using different shader/core clocks since G70. Or AMD using different L3/core clocks on K10.

As far as I'm concerned, it's only a cheat when it dynamically adjusts flow based on what test is being done and is no longer characteristic of the actual performance.

In other words:
Doing a flow rate test? 'Open the hatches' and let it bypass the radiator for max flow.

Doing a cooling test? 'Close the hatches' and force it all through a radiator, reducing flow but increasing cooling (though only very slightly).

[Zehnsucht]

And you're spreading the FUD by putting it as "news" on the website cited above.

http://www.google.com/translate?u=ht...&hl=no&ie=UTF8

Keep you do not like these practices then you can put a Xchanger of Feser of the GT extreme of Black Ice.

I don't think I even have to comment that one...

And I agree with vapor. Cheating is when you deliberatly change the variables depending of what test is conducted.
Don't get me wrong, the Feser rad might be very good, perhaps even better than the PA. But trying convince custumors by bashing another brand is not the way to go. The way to go is to have real performance charts, with comparisions to other brands.

[itznfb]

this "cheat" concept is really the dumbest thing i've hear in sooooooo long. thats like comparing two desks, one has wheels on the legs and the other doesn't.... zomg the desk with wheels is a cheat!!

[iandh]

iandh finishes popcorn, makes another bag... sits and watches as XS members attach adjustable bypass valves between the inlets and outlets on their rads

[FuriousSalesman]

At first, I freaked out over this. But when you sit down and think about it, the Thermochill is an amazing piece of work and I'm glad I have two I don't care about the small holes now.

[gojirasan]

So is there a way to close the gap?

[Xilikon]

So is there a way to close the gap?

You can do it by unsoldering the baffle, fill the gap with brazing then resolder it....





Not worth the time !

[itznfb]

So is there a way to close the gap?

why would you want to? are you unsatisfied with your PA's performance? you think closing that gap will seriously make a difference? you should probably add wheels to your desk as well. your monitor will be much faster.

this thread is beyond stupid and i'm now upset with myself for participating in it.

[gojirasan]

why would you want to? are you unsatisfied with your PA's performance?

Aren't you forgetting that water coolers are not getting any better overclocks than air coolers (using the TRUE) these days? None of this is really about practical benefit anymore. I'm not sure what it's about, the purity of the engineering maybe? And for reasons of engineering purity/idealism, I don't like the idea of any hot water going right back into my loop without being cooled, whether the gap was intentional or not. So yes I'd like to close it up if it is at all practical to do so. Maybe some J B Weld? I guess it's just an issue of getting access to it.

[itznfb]

Aren't you forgetting that water coolers are not getting any better overclocks than air coolers (using the TRUE) these days?

what did you smoke today? my crappiest w/c system dominates the TRUE.

[Catz]

You do not work for Feser, but the website where you are an administrator is sponsered by Feser. So do not pretend your objective in this matter.

Thank you coolfris for bashing me here and not just sending me an pm on our own forum....

Like i said: i'm open to any ideas about this so called "cheat"!

If it's not a cheat and i get a reasonable explanation there is nothing that will stop me from saying that you are correct!

The fact that my site gets sponsored by feser (WITH TUBES AND WATER!) does not do anything to my judgement.. for gods sake i get blackops's and 9800x2 sponsored and still i love DFI and ati more... ALSO I HAVE A TC RAD! So don't start telling me that i'm a sell out because that's not fair...

[LinusTech]

Thank you coolfris for bashing me here and not just sending me an pm on our own forum....

Like i said: i'm open to any ideas about this so called "cheat"!

If it's not a cheat and i get a reasonable explanation there is nothing that will stop me from saying that you are correct!

The fact that my site gets sponsored by feser (WITH TUBES AND WATER!) does not do anything to my judgement.. for gods sake i get blackops's and 9800x2 sponsored and still i love DFI and ati more... ALSO I HAVE A TC RAD! So don't start telling me that i'm a sell out because that's not fair...

Please tell me which of the following describes the design choice made by Thermochill. If you're still unhappy I don't think there's anything I or anyone on this forum can do for you.

cheat Audio Help /tʃit/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[cheet] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object)
1. to defraud; swindle: He cheated her out of her inheritance.
2. to deceive; influence by fraud: He cheated us into believing him a hero.
3. to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide.
–verb (used without object)
4. to practice fraud or deceit: She cheats without regrets.
5. to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards.
6. to take an examination or test in a dishonest way, as by improper access to answers.
7. Informal. to be sexually unfaithful (often fol. by on): Her husband knew she had been cheating all along. He cheated on his wife.
–noun
8. a person who acts dishonestly, deceives, or defrauds: He is a cheat and a liar.
9. a fraud; swindle; deception: The game was a cheat.
10. Law. the fraudulent obtaining of another's property by a pretense or trick.
11. an impostor: The man who passed as an earl was a cheat.

[Coolclocks]

The only thing Remco wants to say.
Is that it is not fair in a flow test compared to other Radz that don't have the shortcut,it haves the best flow but some water is not cooled down,
Despite others that don't have a shortcut,
I Would like see the TC without the shortcut in flow test compared other radz,thats more even i think.
I care about the flow but don't want the warm water get mixed with the just cooled down water thats less performance i think!


I don't say its a bad radiator but its not even in flow test compared with the don't have shortcut rads

[coolfris]

@Remco:
I already made my point in the "news" section of your website. Same arguments and many more are given in this thread. So how much reasonable explaination do you need before you wil understand the points given?

ps:
And if you do understand, please rectify the nonsense your website is now spreading about "the cheating matter" in the "news" section (where right after this news the feser rad is announced..........)

[Catz]

@Remco:
I already made my point in the "news" section of your website. Same arguments and many more are given in this thread. So how much reasonable explaination do you need before you wil understand the points given?

ps:
And if you do understand, please rectify the nonsense your website is now spreading about "the cheating matter" in the "news" section (where right after this news the feser rad is announced..........)

You are more then welcome to send me your article and i'll be more then happy to post it as news

[Coolclocks]

Where not the first site with this news Coolfris

checkout http://www.bouweenpc.nl/nieuws/1099 to

But if i'm honest its a bit to negativ and i get your point,
Where redoing the newspost now,

[LinusTech]

The only thing Remco wants to say.
Is that it is not fair in a flow test compared to other Radz that don't have the shortcut,it haves the best flow but some water is not cooled down,
Despite others that don't have a shortcut,
I Would like see the TC without the shortcut in flow test compared other radz,thats more even i think.
I care about the flow but don't want the warm water get mixed with the just cooled down water thats less performance i think!


I don't say its a bad radiator but its not even in flow test compared with the don't have shortcut rads

By this logic it's not fair to compare a Hardware Labs radiator to a Thermochill radiator in a performance test because obviously with no gap it gets more water running through the fins.

Just stop and think about that for a minute...

How about "it's not fair to compare the performance of a Thermochill radiator and a Black Ice GT Stealth radiator because the fin density is lower on the Thermochill radiator". Is it a hack to have low fin density?

Maybe it's a cheat for Intel to have higher GHz than AMD? Maybe you should only test AMD vs. Intel CPUs if both are overclocked to run at the same clock speed? Maybe you should disable any extra cache on the Intel chip so they both have the same amount of L2 cache.


Don't edit your news posting. Delete it and issue an apology for creating a sensationalist news story.

[itznfb]

By this logic it's not fair to compare a Hardware Labs radiator to a Thermochill radiator in a performance test because obviously with no gap it gets more water running through the fins.

by their logic, you can't compare intel vs amd because intels logo is blue. and thats a cheat!@

[gojirasan]

what did you smoke today? my crappiest w/c system dominates the TRUE.

To be sure, I just rechecked the overclocking section and it seems that there are air cooling setups reaching 4.7 to 4.9 Ghz. Are you beating that on water and if so by how much? People are talking about the Cryo-Z getting a dual core to 5Ghz. So the same argument could really be made for (single stage) phase. But the practicality argument remains pretty good as far as I can see. Of course there are potential noise and longevity arguments as well. But as far as sheer performance per dollar air cooling is absolutely unbeatable.

[LinusTech]

To be sure, I just rechecked the overclocking section and it seems that there are air cooling setups reaching 4.7 to 4.9 Ghz. Are you beating that on water and if so by how much? People are talking about the Cryo-Z getting a dual core to 5Ghz. So the same argument could really be made for (single stage) phase. But the practicality argument remains pretty good as far as I can see. Of course there are potential noise and longevity arguments as well. But as far as sheer performance per dollar air cooling is absolutely unbeatable.

You're also forgetting that having a tricked out liquid cooled rig is t3h sex

[coolmiester]

You're also forgetting that having a tricked out liquid cooled rig is t3h sex

To right..........be nice to see some of yours Linus??

[iandh]

To be sure, I just rechecked the overclocking section and it seems that there are air cooling setups reaching 4.7 to 4.9 Ghz. Are you beating that on water and if so by how much? People are talking about the Cryo-Z getting a dual core to 5Ghz. So the same argument could really be made for (single stage) phase. But the practicality argument remains pretty good as far as I can see. Of course there are potential noise and longevity arguments as well. But as far as sheer performance per dollar air cooling is absolutely unbeatable.

I'm sorry, but at the moment there is no way I would run anything over 3.8-4Ghz 24/7 on air with todays chips. Is watercooling semi-obsolete? Yes, but it also increases the lifetime of your components, is quiet, and quite good looking as well.

Plus, for serious OC'ing on quads water is a must IMO, even on the 45nm chips.

[Durkadurka]

I've heard some BMW fans claim Audi cheats because they use turbo on some of their engines.
How anyone can call the design of or manifacturing of a radiator cheating simply does not compute.
Are you haters saying Thermochill makes radiators to score high on flow testing?

Seriously, whatever you are smoking is making your brain malfunction.

[iandh]

I've heard some BMW fans claim Audi cheats because they use turbo on some of their engines.
How anyone can call the design of or manifacturing of a radiator cheating simply does not compute.
Are you haters saying Thermochill makes radiators to score high on flow testing?

Seriously, whatever you are smoking is making your brain malfunction.

Also, mentioned before in this thread:

Even if the gap was intentional, who gives a flying turd as long they perfom as beautifully as they do?