Phenom 9500 w/ MSI K9A2 Platinum

[madfaze]

madfaze: If I understand correctly, there's 4 major voltage domains on a Core 2 chip and for K10h, +4x PLL+1x IMC+1x HT but the HT voltage is the same as the FSB voltage in the C2 chips. The PCIe links are controlled by the I/O hubs in the RD790 chipset, so if you were to increase their voltage, it may very well increase PCIe volts too.

is that good?i mean if i increase volt on pcie will it do any damamge on it?

[KTE]

UK: etailer claims Phenom 9850, 9750, 9550 all in stock!
http://www.awd-it.co.uk/scripts/prod...dCategory=1867

Been great... No updates or anything just holding still for alittle while. Enjoying cod 4 for a while is that price USD? So you can get ahold of the 9850s already?

No, not yet. Prices USD, I'm not sure, ones I mentioned were EU prices.

Prices in US are higher - around $260 ATM but I've just checked up, your stocks are delayed. Expect ETA for your stocks to be April 14th or thereby.

is that good?i mean if i increase volt on pcie will it do any damamge on it?

Is there a need to increase NB/PCIe volts?

You have no need to increase them. I did 1600 HT on my 5000+ BE and 14xx HT fully stable without even touching NB/HT volts.
Yes, PCIe volts tend to degrade up your SATA HD and/or OS if you start increasing them like that.


Just to add. If you're after these CPUs (clock similar to 5000+ BE), then go into Google Shopping and copy/paste the embolded codes, then search:

Athlon X2 4850e+ G2, 45W 2500MHz ADH4850DOBOX
Athlon X2 4450e+ G2, 45W 2300MHz ADH4450DOBOX
Athlon X2 4050e+ G2, 45W 2100MHz ADH4050DOBOX

ETA is any time in the next 7 days in most places. I would wait till 8th and then start checking just like for B3 Phenoms. They are very cheap, cheaper than any 65nm X2 CPU out yet. 4850e 2.5G 45W is 33% price of E6750 2.67G 65W here.

[bgbdbstrd]

Has anyone tried visiting MSI Taiwan (Q&A) and been given a Virus attack caution by your AV? I can't get in to check their responses because of my AV stopping the link connection saying it's linked to downloading a Virus. I'm not going to risk it frankly.

yeah, ive been getting that since yesterday, im using avast btw. i risked it on another pc ansd currently running a virus scan...
---update---
< finished the virus scan, and it found a virus in my c drive matching the description from the alert that we are getting from the msi site,..anyone knows an email address where we can report this to?>
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Anyway, another chapter in the k9a2 NB multiplier saga...just when i'm about to give up on this mobo...

Dear Sir/Madam,

Yes,because it is very inconvenient for user overclocking.If you adjust Northbridge multiplier improperly,the system will hang.But I have a good news for you,BIOS engineer tell me that they will consider re-adding the item in the BIOS code today.They will try to solve the instability issue while adding the item,please wait patiently.If this BIOS is released,I will contact you ASAP.

Sorry for any inconvenience to you.
Have a good day.
Thanks and Best wishes
MSI Technical Support Team

Posted: Apr 03, 2008 by MSI

[KTE]

yeah, ive been getting that since yesterday, im using avast btw. i risked it on another pc ansd currently running a virus scan...
---update---
< finished the virus scan, and it found a virus in my c drive matching the description from the alert that we are getting from the msi site,..anyone knows an email address where we can report this to?>
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Thanks for testing it.

Yep, I had Avast too and the virus they knew about and have cleaned up now [check again]
Avast! should easily pick up and clear that virus.

As I mentioned, MSI are adding NB Multi option back in there.. they just need to work around the bugs that come along with it [many].

So for you guys who've been asking for it: you'll have to play, test and debug it and then give them appropriate feedback because otherwise they will just remove it again if you don't and if it just creates them more hassle. Remember what I just said, it's important.

[KTE]

Phenom 9850, 9750, 9550 are in stock here too confirmed: http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/search?a...ment=&sortBy=1

[Brother Esau]

Morning Tye Let me ask you is there any advantage of running a 4GB Ram Kit in Vista with this Phenom? Anything thats noticeable with the OS running smoother or anything else for that matter?

[KTE]

Morning Tye Let me ask you is there any advantage of running a 4GB Ram Kit in Vista with this Phenom? Anything thats noticeable with the OS running smoother or anything else for that matter?

Depends what you're doing Cam... normal usage (not graphics/media/game/memory heavy) you'll just be wasting the extra RAM as more RAM is slower and harder to oc than less RAM. It's also harder on the IMC

Can someone advise me if thee's any better OC BIOS than 113 yet please?

I'm in need of one right now...

[Brother Esau]

Thanks Tye and wheres that Blue Bow tie I sent for your User Title @

[Mathos]

Depends what you're doing Cam... normal usage (not graphics/media/game/memory heavy) you'll just be wasting the extra RAM as more RAM is slower and harder to oc than less RAM. It's also harder on the IMC

Can someone advise me if thee's any better OC BIOS than 113 yet please?

I'm in need of one right now...

P0J is good for everything except NB/IMC, the TLB disable fix works properly as well. Very stable auto voltage settings with the bios too. Still doing 2.6ghz with C&Q enable on my 9600be. But, if you're getting a b3 phenom 9850 or something, I'd go with official bios 1.2, same settings and everything as 1.1b3 but only issue I had was the TLB fix, otherwise I went to 2.7ghz stable with that, not to mention that one still has nb/imc states settings. Granted as far as a b3 phenom goes you'd almost have to retest any of the beta bios's that still had all the settings you wanted.

[KTE]

P0J is good for everything except NB/IMC, the TLB disable fix works properly as well. Very stable auto voltage settings with the bios too. Still doing 2.6ghz with C&Q enable on my 9600be. But, if you're getting a b3 phenom 9850 or something, I'd go with official bios 1.2, same settings and everything as 1.1b3 but only issue I had was the TLB fix, otherwise I went to 2.7ghz stable with that, not to mention that one still has nb/imc states settings. Granted as far as a b3 phenom goes you'd almost have to retest any of the beta bios's that still had all the settings you wanted.

Thanks Mathos, that's what I have.

Thanks Tye and wheres that Blue Bow tie I sent for your User Title @

Np... blue bow tie?

Oh that one! Well... you know.... threw it in the bin where it belonged

Don't you know I dress shirtless?

[Kayin]

geil Esoteria 4GB kit is perfectly fine with this setup, and 1.2 and Vista 64bit play very well with my 3600X2. Still no OC yet, as I'm reinstalling all programs, but at least this combo is stable.

[KTE]

I can't get those kits here (i.e. not in this country) or I'd test 'em out for ya Kayin.

Guys, I have no idea why but Phenom 9850/9750/9550 are dropping in price very quickly already. There's been further price drops and you can pick it up cheaper today around Europe.

Prices are pretty good now actually.

[SocketMan]

I can't get those kits here (i.e. not in this country) or I'd test 'em out for ya Kayin.

Guys, I have no idea why but Phenom 9850/9750/9550 are dropping in price very quickly already. There's been further price drops and you can pick it up cheaper today around Europe.

Prices are pretty good now actually.

Just a guess:
Maybe cause Intels:Q9300@9450 (oem) are in stock now,at my local shop anyway
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...l&promoid=1060
I left a 50 cdn deposit for the MSI K9A2 and the B3's Phenoms should be here on the 7th, until then Tony's record
will hold

[aGeoM]

KTE You should try the A7376ACI.103 if you got the time, PCIe frequency adjustable in bios, correct TBL fix on the 4 cores, OCed fine the 9600, no NB multi , but was stable to the point that I sold the system to a old time friend. I didn't tested with my 9500, overall was a good bios.
My preferred bios was P0D, good loving I got from that one, with the help of RW-Everything.

[KTE]

Just a guess:
Maybe cause Intels:Q9300@9450 (oem) are in stock now,at my local shop anyway
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...l&promoid=1060
I left a 50 cdn deposit for the MSI K9A2 and the B3's Phenoms should be here on the 7th, until then Tony's record will hold

The technology game is funny in how it works:-

Sometimes US gets it all while no one else does (Wolfdale/Yorkfield/Skulltrail)
At other times EU gets it all while no one else does
Yet other times, Asia gets it all while no one else does
And yet other times where two of them may get them all whilst no one else does.

All being cheaper price and early ample availability.

For Phenom B2, US/CAN had it all, EU was late and higher priced.
But for Phenom B3, the exact reverse has happened. Our supply is ample with good price already but I personally know US supply will not be much until 14-18 April, like this.
Some NA area's will start rolling with supply on 8th April though.

Good luck with your setup. You would already know that I'm not bothered about speed contests

KTE You should try the A7376ACI.103 if you got the time, PCIe frequency adjustable in bios, correct TBL fix on the 4 cores, OCed fine the 9600, no NB multi , but was stable to the point that I sold the system to a old time friend. I didn't tested with my 9500, overall was a good bios.
My preferred bios was P0D, good loving I got from that one, with the help of RW-Everything.

Thanks, I'll give it a try

[KTE]

Before you ask, this is mine=>

[Brother Esau]

Thanks Mathos, that's what I have.
Np... blue bow tie?

Oh that one! Well... you know.... threw it in the bin where it belonged

Don't you know I dress shirtless?

AMD Beef Cake now you need to wear the Bow Tie for sure

[flippin_waffles]

Nice one KTE!

[Mathos]

Before you ask, this is mine=>

I wants it.....my prrrreciouss tricksy hobits's

Unfortunately I gotta wait for my tax return for that, either that or that supposed $600 rebate check. May end up selling the 9600BE on Ebay to see if I can recover some of that money, at least I can guarantee that I could get it to run 2.6ghz by 2.4ghz so that might make someone happy that didn't care about the TLB stuff.

[aGeoM]

Nice... real nice... hey... man... comeback..., don't be afraid, we will not hurt you... I know... I know poor Tony...

[madfaze]

sweet...

[tictac]

Show us some overclock KTE
Waiting for your result

[JumpingJack]

Before you ask, this is mine=>

Darn... mine is on it's way...



Looks like yours was packaged in week 10. When can we expect clocking results?

[batmang]

I'm anxious to see what KTE does with his new lab rat. :P

[KTE]

I picked mine up same day as Tony (we were in the same town ) but I've had tons of problems and been pulling my hair out over them.

I'll explain fully later but let me make one thing clear:

My old Phenoms did NOT die! It was a MB/BIOS or less likely, a coldboot problem

When I got my last 9600BE I tested it in my 790FX/780G/770 boards. All three gave me C1 error (memory initialization). It was brand new.
The BIOS I use is P0J and it defaults to 800 RAM, so it wasn't 1066 mode problems.
3 PSUs, two brand new, they weren't the problem nor the rails, nor temperature.
When I got the new 9850, I made sure to test in a working DFI 790FX at my uncles firm. A pain to borrow it off someone, but I wanted to make sure it works fine - booted first time, primed 5mins fine, job done.

Came home, tried all 3 boards I had (MSI 790FX, Abit 770, GBT 780G), all 3 did not boot 9850, same C1 problem.

Make note: other people may experience this problem -it ONLY occurs if you reset CMOS or shutdown and leave it off to, well, become cold

So how did I resolve it?

I just left it on, and let it restart on and on for 2 days. Yesterday night late it started up all by itself.

I can't oc, because if I do it without flashing a new better BIOS, and the oc fails -> clear CMOS, it will very likely not start up for another 2 or more days.

I have to go off, am very busy elsewhere, but let me say it is definitely much better than the B2 in terms of max speed. 2900MHz benched stock voltage however it was not stable. 2800 was rock stable though.

Power draw is higher than an equivalent clocked 9600BE B2 at the same voltage, much higher. They've not just increased voltage but increased current.

I haven't got a heatsink on the CPU yet so can't oc, sorry

Snapped the AM2 mount for HSF and sliced my full finger in a 152CFM Delta - just waiting to get my Xigmatek + Delta on here, which is in a different town

CPUZ has problems, it isn't validating again for some odd reason http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=340474

Ah, it only validates upto 14x multi: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=340468

4th try, it validated 2900: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=340489

Many tools seem buggy with 9850. Only increased multi yet, not even tried 3000/NB/HT/RAM.

BIOS, 3200 no HSF 1.47v gets stuck at Windows logon.

Stock CPU VID 1.300
Stock CPU Volts 1.296/1.288
Stock NB VID 1.300
Stock NB Volts 1.296/1.288
Stock CPU Speed 2500
Stock CPU Multi 12.5x
Stock HT Speed 200
Stock NB/HT Speed 2000

Some screenshots (I have not tried much, only had a few minutes uptime) and some 2500/2600 comparisons with old 9600 and 9600 BE on the same EVEREST version (no tweak, just normal).


























I'll push it much later - have too much to sort out. For reference, this is what my last 9600 BE did max stable and it was my fully tweaked 24/7 setting idling less than 3W DC for CPU=>






This time around, I'm going to start off by undervolting at stock speed rather than the other way

BTW its a hot chip, you'll need good cooling for it (under load) but you should know that by its 125W heat output rating. 6400 was a hot chip too. I suspect all air oc's will be limited by cooling, water should do a little better. The Tctl degrees it idles at 2600 stock volts is 14C more than my 9600BE did at 2691 1.352v with stock HSF lying on it (not clamped, but still on).