Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 43

Thread: [MemoryReaction] G.Skill F2-8500CL5D-2GBPK

  1. #1
    Tyler Durden
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Massachusetts, USA
    Posts
    5,623

    [MemoryReaction] G.Skill F2-8500CL5D-2GBPK

    Introduction:

    The F2-8500CL5D-2GBPK kit is a relatively new product from G.Skill, designed to fit the needs of the gamer or enthusiast who is also on a budget. The sticks offer standard timings for a 1066MHz DDR2 kit, but at what many would consider to be a lower than average required voltage for such a kit at just 2.0 volts. In addition, the sticks boast a sturdy 8-layer PCB as well as a new, as of now undisclosed IC attached to them. As with much of the new offerings from many of the more popular memory manufacturers today, G.Skill takes a new IC and puts it to good use in a market segment that's absolutely perfect for it. Currently, despite an MSRP of $99, you can find this kit for just under $70 at Newegg, and you can only assume just as with nearly every DDR2 kit on the market that prices could even drop lower as the weeks and months go on and DDR3 becomes more popular.



    The Memory:




    -------------------------------------------------------------


    Specifications:

    Capacity: 2GB (2 x 1GB)
    Speed: 1066MHz DDR2 (PC2-8500)
    Latency: CL 5-5-5-15 (EPP Ready)
    Voltage: 2.0 ~ 2.1 Volts
    PCB: 8 Layer PCB
    Warranty: Lifetime
    Price: $69.99 @ Newegg

    -------------------------------------------------------------


    Test Setup:

    Intel Core 2 Duo E6300
    Abit IP35 Pro - Beta 16.B04
    G.Skill F2-8500CL5D-2GBPK
    BFG GeForce 7950GT 512MB
    OCZ PowerStream 600w

    CoolTechnica AQX MP-05 SP LE, Swiftech MCW60, Black Ice Pro III, Swiftech MCP655, 7/16" ID
    Dominator triple fan cooler over memory.

    -------------------------------------------------------------


    The Results:


    Each piece is separated by timings and voltages. I started with 4-4-3-10 and ended with 5-5-5-15 to achieve maximum stable speed.

    The voltages listed are what was selected in BIOS.

    -------------------------------------------------------------


    Timings: 4-4-3-10-30-8-6-4-4-2T

    2.0v - 419MHz (DDR 838MHz)

    Dual SuperPi 32M | Everest Bandwidth + Latency

    2.1v - 422MHz (DDR 844MHz)

    Dual SuperPi 32M | Everest Bandwidth + Latency

    2.2v - 425MHz (DDR 850MHz)

    Dual SuperPi 32M | Everest Bandwidth + Latency

    2.2v+ - 4XXMHz (DDR 8XXMHz)

    As we can clearly see here, the sticks do not scale well at the relatively low latency of 4-4-3-10. Attempting to boot at CAS 3 with any stability was impossible above 800MHz, and tRCD of 3 was a complete no-go. These sticks belong running at CAS 5, while shooting for higher MHz with lower voltages.


    Timings: 4-4-4-12-35-8-6-4-4-2T

    2.0v - 458MHz (DDR 916MHz)

    Dual SuperPi 32M | Everest Bandwidth + Latency

    2.1v - 470MHz (DDR 940MHz)

    Dual SuperPi 32M | Everest Bandwidth + Latency

    2.2v - 477MHz (DDR 954MHz)

    Dual SuperPi 32M | Everest Bandwidth + Latency

    2.3v - 486MHz (DDR 972MHz)

    Dual SuperPi 32M | Everest Bandwidth + Latency

    2.4v - 492MHz (DDR 984MHz)

    Dual SuperPi 32M | Everest Bandwidth + Latency


    Timings: 5-5-4-15-42-10-8-4-4-2T

    2.0v - 537MHz (DDR 1074MHz)

    Dual SuperPi 32M | Everest Bandwidth + Latency

    2.1v - 546MHz (DDR 1092MHz)

    Dual SuperPi 32M | Everest Bandwidth + Latency

    2.2v - 558MHz (DDR 1116MHz)

    Dual SuperPi 32M | Everest Bandwidth + Latency

    2.3v - 567MHz (DDR 1134MHz)

    Dual SuperPi 32M | Everest Bandwidth + Latency

    2.4v - 5XXMHz (DDR 1XXXMHz)

    Could not gain a single MHz with 2.4v. It seems the chips had hit their limit with a tRP of 4.


    Timings: 5-5-5-15-42-10-8-4-4-2T

    2.0v - 591MHz (DDR 1182MHz)

    Dual SuperPi 32M | Everest Bandwidth + Latency

    2.1v+ - 5XXMHz (DDR 1XXXMHz)

    Unfortunately, despite trying every combination of sub-timings I could, and any amount of voltage, I could not achieve any speed higher than 592MHz with any stability. The chipset began flaking out between 592-600 and would blue screen randomly during testing and lock up in memtest86+. We are simply looking at a chipset wall, not an issue with the memory. We can assume the sticks would have continued to scale reasonably well past this point if the trend continued.

    -------------------------------------------------------------



    Conclusion:


    Well, when all is said and done, I have to say that this was not the most exciting kit to play with. I am a big fan of tighter timings and lower overall latencies with my memory, and I'd much rather run 3-3-3 @ 900MHz than 5-5-5 @ 1200MHz, but that could just be me missing my BH5.

    With that said, I did have plenty of fun with this kit testing CAS 5, and I could certainly see the power within the chips to be able to reach very high frequencies with lower voltages than what we are used to with Micron chips. I think these sticks could sit very comfortably in someone's system running 5-5-5-15 at 1200MHz with only a slight bump in voltage over spec for total 24/7 stability, and very low heat output and power consumption.

    On the topic of heat, it's safe to mention that these sticks will run quite cool in a system under 24/7 operation. Both while benching and after leaving my system on for several days straight, I could place my finger on the heat spreaders and hardly feel any warmth being generated at all. This should certainly interest not only people with workstations or those who crunch, but gamers who don't want to have to worry about being in the middle of an online game and having their system crash because of heat or voltage related memory failure.

    These sticks face stiff competition from the ever-falling prices of Micron and ProMOS kits. And, while I feel these certainly have a price/performance edge over said kits, they may just simply be the only game in town now that Micron D9GCT/GMH/GKX seems to be disappearing from many of the products that once carried them. So perhaps this is the way the DDR2 market is heading, now that the performance focus has been place primarily on DDR3.

    One thing is for sure; for those of you looking for a more reliable substitute to your auto-RMAing Micron D9's, these would most certainly be worth a look.


    Thanks to G.Skill for the review sample. Thanks to you for reading.
    Last edited by EnJoY; 02-24-2008 at 03:40 PM.
    Formerly XIP, now just P.

  2. #2
    Xtreme Enthusiast
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Atlanta GA - USA
    Posts
    843
    Not bad at all

    Nice review
    Heatware -> http://heatware.com/eval.php?id=51939
    Ebay -> http://myworld.ebay.com/onewhoisplug
    Feel Free to hop in my ventrio server and chat with us
    Vent6.gameservers.com:4498

  3. #3
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    1,361
    nice small clean review enJoy as usual
    DFI Lanparty LT X48-T2R
    Intel Q6600 L737B242 ~ VID 1.2125 ~ 4000mhZ @ 1.48 vcore {lapped}
    eVGA 8800GTS (G92) 512MB {stock}
    Crucial Ballistix PC8500 Tracer ~ 1200mhZ 5-5-5-12 @ 2.05v
    Lian Li PC-V1000 {modded}
    Corsair HX 620W
    Creative X-FI ExtremeMusic
    Western Digital Raptor X 150GB
    Thermalright-Ultra120 Xtreme {lapped} ft. Scythe S-Flex SFF21F S-FDB ~ Push & Pull

  4. #4
    Xtreme Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Adelaide, Australia
    Posts
    298
    Thanks for the review EnJoy.

    I have a set of these on the way for my 24/7 PC. These sticks appear very strong for a 4gb kit. And they are priced well too.


  5. #5
    Memory Addict
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    Brisbane, Australia
    Posts
    11,651
    Nice review.. have you tried loosening tRFC to say 42 and PL to 5 instead of 4 for CAS4 tests ?

    Your modules seem be close to my set of 2GB Gskill F2-8500C5LD-2GBPK serial numbers 7899/7900 vs 7907/7908 - similar max CAS4/5 ceiling @490Mhz 4-4-4-x and close to 600Mhz 5-5-5-15 like mine just vdimm needed in CAS4 drastically different.
    ---

  6. #6
    Xtreme Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    129
    nice review
    ------------------------------------COMPUTER-----------------------------------------

    CPU - AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ @ 3000.00 MHz (250x12) (1.424 V) [ADA5200CSBOX]
    Cooling - Cooler Master GeminII w/ 2x Antec TriCool 120mm Blue LED Fans
    RAM - Crucial Ballistix LANfest PC2-6400 @ DDR2-1000, 5-4-4-10, 2.2v
    MoBo - Biostar TF560 A2+
    GFX - HIS Hightech H485F512P Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3
    PSU - Corsair 620W Modular Active PFC [CMPSU-620HX]
    HDD - Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 250 GB [ST3250310AS]
    Case - Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel


  7. #7
    Tyler Durden
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Massachusetts, USA
    Posts
    5,623
    Quote Originally Posted by eva2000 View Post
    Nice review.. have you tried loosening tRFC to say 42 and PL to 5 instead of 4 for CAS4 tests ?

    Your modules seem be close to my set of 2GB Gskill F2-8500C5LD-2GBPK serial numbers 7899/7900 vs 7907/7908 - similar max CAS4/5 ceiling @490Mhz 4-4-4-x and close to 600Mhz 5-5-5-15 like mine just vdimm needed in CAS4 drastically different.
    tRFC 42 certainly makes a difference, however I wanted to see how high I could go with a tighter timing. As you can see, it doesn't seem to have shown a wall anywhere, it just required more voltage.

    What I found odd is that a higher latency than 42 for tRFC did not seem to help with gaining extra stability or MHz. Maybe you found the same?
    Formerly XIP, now just P.

  8. #8
    Xtreme Mentor
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    2,792
    Nicely done, thanks.

    Did you try higher tRRD and PL at all? Not all IC's are the same obviously but on many it'll make a good difference to allowing tighter major timings. tRFC usually helps with a >5 PL in getting higher MHz and tighter timings IME.

  9. #9
    Memory Addict
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    Brisbane, Australia
    Posts
    11,651
    Quote Originally Posted by EnJoY View Post
    tRFC 42 certainly makes a difference, however I wanted to see how high I could go with a tighter timing. As you can see, it doesn't seem to have shown a wall anywhere, it just required more voltage.

    What I found odd is that a higher latency than 42 for tRFC did not seem to help with gaining extra stability or MHz. Maybe you found the same?
    Yeah unlike 2x2GB kits, higher tRFC above 42 didn't gain much in terms of mem mhz. Performance level loosening didn't much either for me.
    ---

  10. #10
    Tyler Durden
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Massachusetts, USA
    Posts
    5,623
    Quote Originally Posted by KTE View Post
    Nicely done, thanks.

    Did you try higher tRRD and PL at all? Not all IC's are the same obviously but on many it'll make a good difference to allowing tighter major timings. tRFC usually helps with a >5 PL in getting higher MHz and tighter timings IME.
    Yes, I did. Higher PL's have very little effect on this kit oddly enough, but good at the same point as I could keep it relatively tight.
    Formerly XIP, now just P.

  11. #11
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    1,428
    Yeah ... D9 is going away and while they didn't achieve legendary status like BH-5 they will be missed. Although I'm sure those who killed multiple sets of of D9 and were in a perpetual D9 RMA dance will welcome the new bang for buck kings. I have yet to lose a set of D9 in my game rigs but I'm not flogging them with more than their rated voltage.

    Tip of the cap on yet another good review.
    Sourcing parts for a mildly over clocked abacus.

  12. #12
    Tyler Durden
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Massachusetts, USA
    Posts
    5,623
    Quote Originally Posted by gundamit View Post
    Yeah ... D9 is going away and while they didn't achieve legendary status like BH-5 they will be missed. Although I'm sure those who killed multiple sets of of D9 and were in a perpetual D9 RMA dance will welcome the new bang for buck kings. I have yet to lose a set of D9 in my game rigs but I'm not flogging them with more than their rated voltage.

    Tip of the cap on yet another good review.
    Yea, I share the same sentiments. I still get urges to buy up a bunch of BH5 and toss them in a DFI NF4 for some 270MHz action. I miss those days.

    But D9, while not always super spectacular, were some good chips and they will be missed. But when I test out new IC's such as these, it really makes me happy to see how things are improving towards reliability and more stable operation while still leaving room for some fun to be had.

    Thanks for the compliment on the review, they are always appreciated.
    Formerly XIP, now just P.

  13. #13
    Xtreme n00berclocker
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    San Jose, CA
    Posts
    1,445
    Yea I am pretty sick of the D9 dieing now. Its good to see a company putting out great products that will be stable and still overclock.
    Quote Originally Posted by 3oh6
    damn you guys...am i in a three way and didn't know it again
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian y.
    Im exclusively benching ECS from this point forward

  14. #14
    Xtreme Mentor
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    2,792
    Ah well, just shows how different IC's react differently. Still, good 32M clocks at those volts for a 2GB I reckon.

  15. #15
    Tyler Durden
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Massachusetts, USA
    Posts
    5,623
    I'm personally quite eager to see what other people can achieve from these sticks. Like you all did in my previous reviews, post up any results you have have from these sticks.
    Formerly XIP, now just P.

  16. #16
    Xtreme Mentor
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    3,080
    Price dropped to $155 with free shipping:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166
    Gigabyte EP45-DQ6 - rev 1.0, F13a bios | Intel Q9450 Yorkfield 413x8=3.3GHz | OCZ ProXStream 1000W PSU | Azuen X-Fi Prelude 64MB X-RAM| WD VelociRaptor 74HLFS-01G6U0 16MB cache 74GB - 2 drive RAID 0 64k stripe | ASUS 9800GT Ultimate 512MB RAM (128 SP!!) | G.SKILL PC2-8800 4GB kit @ 1100MHz | OCZ ATV Turbo 4GB USB flash | Scythe Ninja Copper + Scythe 120mm fan | BenQ M2400HD 24" 16:9 LCD | Plextor 716SA 0308; firmware 1.11 | Microsoft Wireless Entertainment Desktop 8000 | Netgear RangeMax DG834PN 108mbps; firmware 1.03.39 + HAWKING HWUG1 108mbps USB dongle | Digital Doc 5+ | 7 CoolerMaster 80mm blue LED fans | Aopen H700A tower case | Vista Home Premium - 32bit, SP1

  17. #17
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    So Cal
    Posts
    67
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Dower View Post
    Price dropped to $155 with free shipping:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166
    Slight correction:

    2x1GB F2-8500CL5D-2GBPK - $60 (this review)

    2x2GB F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK - $150

    w/free shipping
    Last edited by gymenii; 03-07-2008 at 01:46 PM.
    E8600
    GA X48-DS4
    4GB OCZ Platinum LV-1150
    2x Samsung F3 500GB RAID0
    PCS+ AX5870
    LG W2600H-PF
    Lian Li A16B
    Win7 Pro x64

  18. #18
    100% Load 24/7
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    1,495
    Picked up a set of these off newegg last week. Just now had a chance to play with them. My results are pretty much inline with enjoy's and eva's. Cas 4 not even worth mentioning. Highest 32m x4 stable with a Q6600 was 558, 5-5-5-15, @ 2.05v set in bios. More voltage does nothing. Well, I was able to pass one instance of 32m at 580, 5-5-5-15 @ 2.15v, but had to go to the 400 strap and my time was slower than at 558. Trying 4x 32m blue screened. They run at the stock settings with only 1.9v though, and with my ir temp meter, they never went about 85f. They do what they're advertised, but not much more. Still, pretty decent clocks with low voltage. Not going to bother with screenshots since nothing new to see. But I do have a shot of the IC. Maybe someone can determine what these are.

    Main Rig
    i7 2600k l Asus P8P67 l 2x2gb Gskill l GTS450 l Venomous X l XClio 680

  19. #19
    Tyler Durden
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Massachusetts, USA
    Posts
    5,623
    Yea, the heat spreaders slide off rather easily, don't they?

    I won't be the one to identify those for you, but I'll tell you that I didn't know what they were when I first looked at them either.
    Formerly XIP, now just P.

  20. #20
    Xtreme Mentor
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    3,080
    $150 with free shipping, dropping all the time:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166
    Gigabyte EP45-DQ6 - rev 1.0, F13a bios | Intel Q9450 Yorkfield 413x8=3.3GHz | OCZ ProXStream 1000W PSU | Azuen X-Fi Prelude 64MB X-RAM| WD VelociRaptor 74HLFS-01G6U0 16MB cache 74GB - 2 drive RAID 0 64k stripe | ASUS 9800GT Ultimate 512MB RAM (128 SP!!) | G.SKILL PC2-8800 4GB kit @ 1100MHz | OCZ ATV Turbo 4GB USB flash | Scythe Ninja Copper + Scythe 120mm fan | BenQ M2400HD 24" 16:9 LCD | Plextor 716SA 0308; firmware 1.11 | Microsoft Wireless Entertainment Desktop 8000 | Netgear RangeMax DG834PN 108mbps; firmware 1.03.39 + HAWKING HWUG1 108mbps USB dongle | Digital Doc 5+ | 7 CoolerMaster 80mm blue LED fans | Aopen H700A tower case | Vista Home Premium - 32bit, SP1

  21. #21
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    So Cal
    Posts
    67
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Dower View Post
    $150 with free shipping, dropping all the time:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166
    Sorry for the stomp but those are the 4GB sticks my friend. The G.Skill F2-8500CL5D-2GBPK are now $60 shipped.
    E8600
    GA X48-DS4
    4GB OCZ Platinum LV-1150
    2x Samsung F3 500GB RAID0
    PCS+ AX5870
    LG W2600H-PF
    Lian Li A16B
    Win7 Pro x64

  22. #22
    Xtreme News & Reviews
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    1,005
    I just picked up a pair from newegg for $49.99 the 2GB set for my AMD X2 build. It was only like $5 more to guarantee the DDR2-1066, which will be find for the X2.
    Desktop
    AMD Phenom II X2 550 (Quad Unlocked @ 3.4Ghz / 2200Mhz NB)
    Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P (F9 Bios)
    8GB (4x2GB) @ DDR2-800
    ASUS GeForce GTX 560 Ti DirectCUII (920/1840/2200)
    Corsair Force GT 120GB
    LSI MegaRAID 8408E (3x750 R5)
    Windows 7 x64 SP1


    Cisco E2000 with DD-WRT kernel 2.6

  23. #23
    Tyler Durden
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Massachusetts, USA
    Posts
    5,623
    Quote Originally Posted by BrokenWall View Post
    I just picked up a pair from newegg for $49.99 the 2GB set for my AMD X2 build. It was only like $5 more to guarantee the DDR2-1066, which will be find for the X2.
    Nice! Post up some results with them once you have them!
    Formerly XIP, now just P.

  24. #24
    Xtreme News & Reviews
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    1,005
    Figured I would try to get my 6400+ @ 3.5Ghz around DDR2-1000, so I could easily run the 1066 ram easier then forcing 800 ram up that high.
    Desktop
    AMD Phenom II X2 550 (Quad Unlocked @ 3.4Ghz / 2200Mhz NB)
    Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P (F9 Bios)
    8GB (4x2GB) @ DDR2-800
    ASUS GeForce GTX 560 Ti DirectCUII (920/1840/2200)
    Corsair Force GT 120GB
    LSI MegaRAID 8408E (3x750 R5)
    Windows 7 x64 SP1


    Cisco E2000 with DD-WRT kernel 2.6

  25. #25
    Xtreme Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    446
    How does the overclocking of the 4GBPK compare to the 2GBPK? are they pretty much equal ie or do they require looser timings?
    Shadowtester

    Shuttle SG33G5B
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 Quad-Core Processor 2.4GHz OverClocked 3.321GHz average 42c using SMP F@H Linux Client
    G.Skill F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK DDR2-1066 PC2-8500 2048mb x2
    Samsung HD501LJ 500GB SATA 7200 RPM 16MB
    LiteOn LH-20A1L-05 20X SATA DVD Burner Black DVD±RW

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •