Phenom 9500 w/ MSI K9A2 Platinum

[tictac]

oldguy.. if you going for pi record why dont you disabled bad core. i know asus bios got that downcore option. just leave 1core enabled. extra l3 cache capacity to feed the core with pi data. system priority set to cache.

[Oldguy932]

My 25.5 run was at about 710 or so on the memory, 4-4-4-12 timings. How about after I get the pics and the stable screenie I just try for that good pi time. I can probably hit 3-3-3-3 timings, just might need a tad more voltage. It would drop me at least .2-.3 seconds for my time.

I hate windows update... screws with how many tests each fft length does. They should be hitting 11, but they hit only 9.
Now I want to kill windows, its not set to autorestart ever. It just gave me a thing about it will restart in 2 minutes and to save my work, so I guess you guys won't be getting that 8 hour prime yet cause I can't really get anything to function when orthos is set to priority 10.



It seems as though its the same thing as when I couldn't get it to respond after doing the 250 htt prime, so now I have the culprit. GRR...stupid windows vista...

[KTE]

Run this, it's updated, better, accurate, trustworthy and less buggy: http://www.majorgeeks.com/Prime95_d4363.html

I was expecting some decent clocks/stability under cold.

1M = only need one core.

[justapost]

@oldguy932: Have you tried to oc with lower volts for cpu and nb, normal temp settings might be too much on cold due to the lower TDP the cpu has.

[Oldguy932]

Same vCore seems to be required, maybe more in some situations. I have a feeling it might be the nb that can't handle the cold because whenever its the nb that's unstable, the computer freezes, and if its the cpu, it gives an error. I don't write all this down, I probably should though, but I think its frozen for any setting 255 and above on the htt with the nb set to 9x.

I'm now just testing it on a single core to see how its doing, if it works, I'll work my way back to 4 cores.

Edit: Nevermind... same thing happens. It freezes.

Edit 2: 11x260 works fine, so that rules out the nb not handling the cold well. It still dumbfounds me why it isn't working as well as we think it should. There's nothing by the cpu that could be getting moisture, there's none when I've changed cpu's the few times. Maybe I'll have to put the 9500 in, it handles voltage much better than my other processors, just gets limited by the 11x multi.

[justapost]

Same vCore seems to be required, maybe more in some situations. I have a feeling it might be the nb that can't handle the cold because whenever its the nb that's unstable, the computer freezes, and if its the cpu, it gives an error. I don't write all this down, I probably should though, but I think its frozen for any setting 255 and above on the htt with the nb set to 9x.

Hmm could get mine down to 15° in idle gained ~0,05-0,1V vcore that way. So I expected you can run yours at 0,8V at stock.

I'm now just testing it on a single core to see how its doing, if it works, I'll work my way back to 4 cores.

Edit: Nevermind... same thing happens. It freezes.

Edit 2: 11x260 works fine, so that rules out the nb not handling the cold well. It still dumbfounds me why it isn't working as well as we think it should. There's nothing by the cpu that could be getting moisture, there's none when I've changed cpu's the few times. Maybe I'll have to put the 9500 in, it handles voltage much better than my other processors, just gets limited by the 11x multi.

This unexplainable behaviour makes me writing down all my settings and results and oc in small steps. But that also makes ocing phenom's so interesting.

[Oldguy932]

I do have one question guys, what is CPU VDDA? Its a setting I normally don't even touch in the bios, and it has voltage range from 2.5 to 2.8v. 3DMark06 would never run before at 255 htt with it at auto, but with it set at 2.8v its in the second cpu test and running fine. I know its not anything to be stable in the benchmark, but I run it before I run orthos now just to make sure its a tad bit stable. I don't really care what it is, I just like it cause it solved one of my problems for me, and least kind of, I won't know till I actually run orthos.

Edit: Nevermind... it may get 3DMark06 to run, but Orthos doesn't even start and it all freezes.

[justapost]

I do have one question guys, what is CPU VDDA? Its a setting I normally don't even touch in the bios, and it has voltage range from 2.5 to 2.8v. 3DMark06 would never run before at 255 htt with it at auto, but with it set at 2.8v its in the second cpu test and running fine. I know its not anything to be stable in the benchmark, but I run it before I run orthos now just to make sure its a tad bit stable. I don't really care what it is, I just like it cause it solved one of my problems for me, and least kind of, I won't know till I actually run orthos.

Edit: Nevermind... it may get 3DMark06 to run, but Orthos doesn't even start and it all freezes.

As for VDDA. I'm not aware where to get the am2/am2+ pin layout. But I found this document:
http://www.ite.com.tw/product_info/f...282M_V03.1.pdf

[Oldguy932]

Hold that thought. The VDDA does work, my copy of orthos just got corrupted. I downloaded the version of prime from the link KTE provided, and its just about to finish 10k fft's at these settings...

HTT=255
CPU=11.5x
NB=9x
HT-LINK=1.8ghz

vCore=1.3, 1.28 actual
CPU VDDA=2.8v
vCPU-NB=1.3v
vNB=Auto

Well guys, it looks like I finally figured out the problem after all. I think that because of the cold the bios set the VDDA lower than it did while it was on air cooling, causing me to not get the overclocks I did on air. If this goes for at least two hours, I'll just take a screenshot then so you guys get one finally. Maybe now it will clock higher...one can only hope.

Edit: It froze when it got to the 14k fft's, so I decided to set the vNB to 1.3v and try again. Its currently halfway through 12k so I'm just gonna hope now.

Edit 2: I hoped, and it worked. now its about halfway through 14k's and going. I have a quick question though, what's the maximum voltage you guys can give the nb on your boards. Mine maxes out at 1.4v and was wondering if any of you guys had the option of going higher, like to 1.5v. Since the nb is on the chip and not the mobo I thought that a little extra wouldn't hurt since its at such low temps anyway.

[tictac]

nice. better have all the setting manually set. easier for you to troubleshooting once it fail. now post some screenshot!

[Oldguy932]

There you guys. You now have a screenshot of 255x11.5 stable for 2 hours, load temps included.

[jonspd]

which temp is cpu temp

not familiar with speedfan really.

[tictac]

127c

-5c

[Daveburt714]

Very Nice Oldguy...
I still can't help but think you hit the CPU lottery twice...

For those with ATI cards, Catalyst 8.2 drivers are out, I'm running them now. So far so good...

jonspd: I know you were looking for a solid OC too, just curious as to what you've settled on so far... An AOD Performance ss would be nice..

I had to revert back to 250x10x8x8 (2.5Ghz). HT Ref of 255, was almost stable, but not quite .... I'm playing with HT voltage right now (currently @ 1.225v). I know it helped the OC on my Opty, and it seems to offer some promise. But I've been wrong before...

[KTE]

Oldguy932: Can you show us what temps AOD picks up idle or load?
AOD works subzero, I have it confirmed and have it working subzero myself. That speedfan pic is confusing because it's manually configurable and doesn't show those readings on my Phenom but 4 core readings instead.

I do have one question guys, what is CPU VDDA?

Should be 2.5V stock and is a CPU component voltage. Not sure what it does, we don't have it on this board. Vdd is only a term applied to standing for positive voltage at FET terminals though, so must be linked.

As for VDDA. I'm not aware where to get the am2/am2+ pin layout.

Did'nt I link it in your thread earlier?

Here it is if I didn't: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/31412.pdf

HTT=255
CPU=11.5x
NB=9x
HT-LINK=1.8ghz

vCore=1.3, 1.28 actual
CPU VDDA=2.8v
vCPU-NB=1.3v
vNB=Auto

Edit: It froze when it got to the 14k fft's, so I decided to set the vNB to 1.3v and try again. Its currently halfway through 12k so I'm just gonna hope now.

Keep it going till 8 or so hours. Then switch it off and before doing so, capture the screenshot. Then leave it running, bench it etc and most importantly, let it idle. If you've read the thread earlier, you'll see my BE can do 2832MHz stock HSF and pass stability but it's still unstable because it will randomly freeze when idling or have one or two bootup issues. Others have similar issues. If your chip could bench 3060 on air, 2.93G should be air stable because voltage is too low for it not to be.

You keep missing answering my one qs
I'm going to repeat it again, I know you can read.

BTW do you have any pics of your phase setup with Phenom? Especially the mounts and head as that's what I'm interested in.

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Edit 2: I hoped, and it worked. now its about halfway through 14k's and going. I have a quick question though, what's the maximum voltage you guys can give the nb on your boards. Mine maxes out at 1.4v and was wondering if any of you guys had the option of going higher, like to 1.5v. Since the nb is on the chip and not the mobo I thought that a little extra wouldn't hurt since its at such low temps anyway.

We can't control vIMC, that's why you see sub-2.6G oc's at 1.23V.

The minute someone on this board can and I'm hoping MSI has included the option in the upcoming 3 BIOSes, then you'll no doubt see higher oc's/stability. The NB maxes out quicker than everything on Phenom if its at stock volts. So far everyone on this board runs Phenom at stock vIMC volts but the guys with a 9600 BE.

I've tried Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe before. It can run vCPU NB upto 1.6875V, same as VCore, although I tested with an X2 5000+ BE instead so the options will be different for Phenom. It has far more voltage/speed options in the BIOS than the MSI BIOS. In fact, I may pick up one for a few days just to compare.

[jonspd]

I left it at 2.53.

11x220 with nb and ht at 1760 ram at 440.

Not settled really just waiting on b3

haven't really had the time lately been seeking employment ATM.

I liked the higher fsb I 1st got but the lower fsb is a better stable setting IMO. I also got 2 set's of ram to play with now just really waiting on the new steppings to come out.

and what KTE said is right I can run 2.65-2.7 full load stable but idle booting is a different story.

[KTE]

I liked the higher fsb I 1st got but the lower fsb is a better stable setting IMO. I also got 2 set's of ram to play with now just really waiting on the new steppings to come out.

Or a new decent BIOS

Trust me, it can make a heck of a difference!

I wonder where Lightman has ran off to with his new BE... hope his Mrs hasn't kicked him out of the house with his chip still in the box

[Daveburt714]

127c

AOD shows TMPIN2 @ 128c on my machine too, scared the hell out of me when I first bought my system!! I actually when through and gently touched every component on my mobo expecting to get burnt!!

I've since written it off to a software fluke...

[jonspd]

LOL I here that I was hoping tictac might would lend a hand (hint, hint, hint....) or some other bios modder

Also I meant to ask KTE is there a idle test you do that makes it freeze faster.

The best thing I used was firefox or other apps max-min-max-min-etc etc

[Daveburt714]

I wonder where Lightman has ran off to with his new BE... hope his Mrs hasn't kicked him out of the house with his chip still in the box

If that happened, give him a few days and he'll be posting result with a voltage inverter from a "Van Down by the River"....

[justapost]

Here it is if I didn't: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/31412.pdf

No, you only mentioned am2 and am2+ are identical. Thank you for the link I posted it in the AMD Support subforum as quintero asked for it few days ago.

I wonder where Lightman has ran off to with his new BE... hope his Mrs hasn't kicked him out of the house with his chip still in the box

He had to RMA his BE.

[aGeoM]

Finaly I did run Prime (Thx KTE 4 Link) on my system for 8 hours with this settings:

HTT=255
CPU=11x
NB=9x
HT-LINK=1.8ghz

vCore=1.465
CPU VDDA=2.8v
vNB=1.4v
vHTT=1.3v



The temps are lower ~10º bcz I had to take my son to school.

[Oldguy932]

Ok guys, I let this one run overnight. Temp 1 is CPU, Temp 2 is Mobo, Temp 3 is just random, at idle its about 49-50C, and goes to 127C when the cpu is at load, but it doesn't affect anything. The temps are a bit higher in this one because I turned the fans down to 20% cause it makes it alot easier for me to sleep through it. I never had that bsod problem that you do KTE, mine are either stable, or the computer just hates me. And don't worry, I will get some pics of my setup, I haven't forgotten that. I'm just trying to get it to run well first.

Edit: Ok, now I can't get anything higher than 257 stable. I've played around with all the voltages I can except the nb pcie pll voltage cause that means nothing to me. I'm not going to have time to do much else till tomorrow guys, and KTE I will take pictures of the setup with and without the clamshell on, I'm thinking that I'll put the 9500 in tomorrow cause it handles voltage well, much better than the others.

[KTE]

LOL I here that I was hoping tictac might would lend a hand (hint, hint, hint....) or some other bios modder

Yeah me too.. if that lady in the av was important to you tictac I would've kidnapped her by now just to make you mod a BIOS for us ->

But AMI BIOS are next to impossible to mod so far by users or I'd be able to botch something up, especially the MSI ones here. Only some AWARD BIOSes are doable. Still I'm testing and providing them feedback and am counting on MSI now, since they're working hard at it. The board has limitations hence the limited BIOS options. Otherwise this board is very near the price of the 770 BIOSTAR which has been made far better because of Polygons mods... imagine a good BIOS on this board, for its price, it'll top the 790Fx offering price:performance by far IMHO. I've played with nearly all the major 790Fx boards now and can work with and keep any one of them. TBVH I'm not after the biggest oc/bench/etc but the cheapest/pain free oc/platform/performance/stability with an AM2+, hence why I haven't ran my others boards and joined in them threads as often and chose to deal and work with the MSI, because it's the best prospect and attraction to the AM2+ platform along with 780G and BIOSTAR 770, it's a budget offering. US/CAN has them more expensive than EU/Asia though. The MSI is the dark jewel of the RD790 IMO (mainly price:offering) and once we can nail it's issues, many people will be happy and have a v.good board to get for an AM2/AM2+ for such a price = worth it.

To make it clear here's my quick take on the RD790 AM2+ boards for a prospective buyer and enthusiast with a Phenom;

Overall Criteria:
P = Price, price, price, price.
A = Availability, availability, availability.
P = Performance, performance.
S = Stability, issues, support.
L = Layout, features, ease of use.
O = Overclocking (incl. BIOS).

Excellent =
Mediocre =
Inadequate =
Poor =

Major Focus Point: Is it worth the cost? Worth the upgrade from AM2? Worth it over a cheaper 770/790x/790Fx? Are you actually getting what you paid for and deserve as a hardworking human needing every penny (Billionaire Gates are exempt here)?

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AM2+ MBs: Excellent boards and offerings overall. Love the well priced Intel/P35 but these affordable boards are a level better for ATi cards IMHO. YES Tri-fire and Quad-fire is coming, I can tell you that much and that is why 3/4 slots were put on these boards. No fixed timeline yet.

ASUS RD790: Too expensive FWIW, offers nothing more than others for $100 more but a slightly better BIOS. Still has BIOS issues although very good for overclocking. I would not recommend you pay for this so ASUS can become sane and drop prices to the level it's worth and to the level that makes buying it with a Phenom worthy. Phenom/Spider is a budget rig and such board prices stick out as outsiders making it unattractive. I would buy an Intel C2+P35 if you want to pay so much for a board. Buy an Abit IP35 Pro and sail away with something better than rip off ASUS Blitz Formula (check benches).

P =
A =
P =
S =
L =
O =

DFI RD790: Probably the best MB/BIOS for AM2+ although has way too many issues and problems, is way too expensive and scant in availability over the major markets. I like the PWM and OC on this board very much.

P =
A =
P =
S =
L =
O =

Gigabyte RD790: Best overall stable board I've seen, for day to day running, performance, oc, issues and availability. Although price is bad and RAM clocking is poor.

P =
A =
P =
S =
L =
O =

Sapphire RD790: Everything the same as the DFI but I love it's colours more.

P =
A =
P =
S =
L =
O =

MSI RD790: This board is IME still one of the best RD790/Phenom boards. It has far less issues than the DFI/Sapphire although they have better BIOSes. It has clocked RAM higher than the DFI/Sapphire/Gigabyte, allows more VDIMM too. A few more BIOS options and tweaks and it'll be close to topping the chart and yet look at the price, features, layout, cooling, design and respective performance: +390-500HT.

P =
A =
P =
S =
L =
O =

And yet I'm reserved. How many of those are about to be ?
Personally I love the quick reboot and startup buttons on the MSI, makes life a hecka of a lot easier. But I do miss the ASUS EZ Flashtool feature and the DFI BIOS.. and the Sapphire colors... and the Gigabytes performance.. and

Also I meant to ask KTE is there a idle test you do that makes it freeze faster.

The best thing I used was firefox or other apps max-min-max-min-etc etc

2x CPUZ -> Memset (repeat calling the PLL)
Firefox-> Youtube -> 3 tabs, 3 videos playing (IMC)
Firefox -> Imageshack -> Multi image uploader -> +4 uploads (CPU+RAM)

Should do the trick just fine.

Here's some tools you guys should, I advise, install to run/bench/test/compare your setups:

Phenom TLB Patch Completely Disable: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...85#post2771285

Yes it works real, restores 100% performance. I'll update once I get Phenom up again to show you the easy way to apply auto (already mentioned however)

Catalyst 8.2 (ATI GPU's): http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx
AMD OverDrive 2.0.14 (Beta): http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads...0.14_Beta.html
Phenom Drivers/Utilities: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._15259,00.html
AMD 700 series chipset Drivers/Utilities: http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_chipset.aspx
Prime95 v25.6 (main stability test): http://www.majorgeeks.com/Prime95_d4363.html
EVEREST Ultimate 4.20.1294 (Beta) (various incl. stability test): http://www.lavalys.com/beta/everestu...g0swdy7hkn.zip
-Iometer (drive benchmark): http://www.iometer.org/
DU Meter (network benchmark): http://www.hageltech.com/dumeter/
Memtest 3.6 AHCI (RAM tester): http://hcidesign.com/memtest/
*RightMark Memory Analyzer 3.7: http://cpu.rightmark.org/download.shtml

-Use the file zipped up that I'm attaching to configure Iometer and run the benchmarks.
*[includes RM RAM Stabilty Tester, RM Memory Analyzer and RM Multi-Threaded Memory Test]

The SB600 is good for I/O and HD performance, just have one capable of decent speeds with the chipset drivers installed and run I/O Meter. Watch the results.

When you install something, be sure to reboot for the installation to be finalized. Also, EVEREST stability test can be used, is nifty and redesigned top to bottom now but while it will show a very unstable processor up within 5-10hours, it won't show many other forms of CPU/RAM instabilities which Orthos/Prime95/OCCT/Linpack/TAT will show within a minute and the load=temps is also much lower. On my Q6600 (now) 450x8=3600MHz for instance, the loads=temps induced;

EVEREST: 51C/52C/49C/48C
Orthos: 55C/55C/52C/52C
OCCT: 58C/57C/53C/51C
Prime95 (SF): 69C/69C/67C/67C
Linpack: 72C/72C/69C/69C
Intel TAT: 78C/78C/75C/75C


aGeoM and Oldguy932: Looking better, finally.

aGeoM: Are you sure you need that high a VCore? Trust me those temps on air will be very high. Also, why is it you have the vNB and vHTT that high? Try +0.05V on HT and stock on NB, trust me, you will most likely still have it stable.

Oldguy932: Run that for a day or two and you'll soon know if it's fully stable or otherwise. You can say it's stability test stable though. Then go for more, would be good. Then go for some high MHz to bench and finally move back on air afterwards to see what the highest stable you can get it.

Pics, I'm mainly interested in just the mounts and head.

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Just some interesting news;

780G chipset reviewed: http://translate.google.com/translat...&hl=en&ie=UTF8


I've been waiting for this since eons. Nv is having major trouble and I've lost hope waiting for their chipsets. I'm putting my BE X2 into one of the above chipset boards...

Phenom 9600 BE review: http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/...black_edition/

AMD Triple Core is mainly for the commercial sector: http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13924_1-9871416-64.html

Puma+Griffin problems? No says AMD: http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/s...leID=206503146


That's the latest (late Jan. roadmap) showing Opteron (Barcelona) B3 production in Q1 '08, what looks like early March to me, with April ~10th as the 9700/9900 OEM shipments, early May as the B3 Phenom availability and full month of May as the major shipment beginning for B3 step Opteron.

AMD has analyst http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.j...leID=205901246

Advanced Micro Devices Inc. is the new Golden Boy. It lost a ton of money on special charges in the fourth quarter, does not expect to be profitable until the second half of this year and continues to act coy about disclosing details of its new asset-smart manufacturing strategy.

If these were negatives points, they didn't matter during AMD's conference call on Thursday (Jan. 17) as analysts tripped over themselves to commend the microprocessor supplier for "a great quarter; an almost breakeven quarter; on moving towards profit and profitability and; on the margin progress."

Investors who had only a few days ago driven down AMD's stock price to a new 52-week low also gave the company a big thumbs up, pushing up its shares in after-hours trading after the release of its results.

The lovefest continued Friday. By midday, AMD shares had risen more than 12 percent and were holding on to the gains even as the main market indices began to wobble as investors digested unrelated but unpleasant macroeconomic news.

AMD archrival Intel Corp. did not receive such an overwhelmingly positive response when it on Tuesday (Jan. 16) announced solid fourth quarter results that showed strong revenue and profit gains.

What did AMD do right this time? First, the company showed the first signs it can move beyond talking about its hopes to become profitable to actually achieving a milestone that has eluded it for more than five quarters.

Beyond that, however, the company managed to erase the impression that it could become seriously cash-strapped, running into a liquidity crisis that may hobble operations and prevent it from competing effectively in the market, according to analysts.

AMD's cash position improved, for instance, to $1.89 billion by the end of the fourth quarter, from $1.53 billion in the September 2007 quarter.

Tweaking Phenom 9600 BE: http://techreport.com/articles.x/14093

AMD has recommended that PC vendors enable the workaround by default, which it surely felt obligated to do because consumers (rightly) expect "100% stability" out of a processor. The firm has also recommended that motherboard makers update their BIOSes to include the TLB workaround with no option to disable it. But AMD has left a loophole in its OverDrive utility, the one officially sanctioned place where users can disable the workaround.

I'm going to get independent verfication of this because I don't think it's entirely true (as to the percieved meaning) just like what this site posted before about the TLB patch was not true. I'm working with chipset/processor/motherboard vendors to know exactly what they're saying. FWIW if AMD had said the above to MSI then you couldn't have seen any TLB Patch Disabled option at all in any BIOS (like at the start, unlike how they've now implemented them and are working hard to implement it better). Who do you think is helping us get better BIOSes and working systems as I'm requesting if not AMD?

AMD tells us that what's happening is this: whenever the button is yellow or red, the TLB workaround is disabled. When the button is red, the utility also disables a power management option on the CPU, which can boost performance a little bit more.

This is inline with what I know, however, the buttons are not just for the patch, they boost performance on a system with no patch and patch is not completely disabled with those buttons yet. MB BIOS engineers are still working on that issue.

We know Q6600 is clock for clock better than a Phenom overall. There are real-life area's where Phenom will shine though, not just synthetic memory bandwidth numbers which mean nothing, but in the arena of RAM+MCH Vs RAM+IMC performance, i.e:





At 3300MHz on C2Q, it will be behind much esp. if I clock the RAM sub-1066. Another usefulness is x264 encoding/decoding and encryption/decryption you guys can make use of. These are real-life useful scenarios as I'm sure all but the minority few one-sided quacks will realize.
(by quacks I mean, literal blind sheepism and failing to see anything but perfection/exaggeration/embellishment for your pontiff 'amor' while attacking/cursing/FUD spreading/lying/slandering on the opposition of your 'amor' = senseless being. Other than that, if you leave others alone peacefully without harming them for nothing or the constant blind trite + trolling, there is no problem in you liking Nike a little more than Adidas, or McD's over DFC -> to each his own. Personally I don't have personal feelings for companies to be frank apart from by my/friends experience/knowledge on them)

A personal note: I strongly recommend you to test the BIOSes, Phenom, software and AOD very much, everything as much and thoroughly as possible and don't sit back. Have any suggestions? Make them. All products depend on user feedback and so does software, as none can improve a tid bit without it. I am only a tester, you are the buyers who will be stuck with these systems. If you want things to improve in stability, performance and options, then you will need to do some testing with effort and provide me the feedback. I can then forward it on to the proper channels who can do something about it as they have done so far (thank you) rather than sit back apathetic and we moan and hue loud cries with laments in angst. So far we have made much progress to be honest. Take advantage of this interactive benefit you have, as while I can liaise with AMD+MSI, you won't find such an easy gift and support with Intel+MB MFG whatsoever apart from the slight bit when Intel choose Charles+Francois to hype a poor expensive offering and break records. We bought Penryns, some of us at XS and at my work place contacted Intel because of their bad QC in their Penryn for temperature problems and they didn't even respond, which is rude and ignorant. Even worse my P35 Gigabyte board still does not support Penryn, no POST, but worse, no support or reply. CPU/MB MFG's don't provide such excellent support and communication very often. Use the options you have wisely and beneficially and be grateful to those who deserve it (not me).

Please test EVEREST/AOD and provide me the feedback. I'll pass it on where something will and can be done about it and where it needs to be if you want improvements and to have an excellent end product. You paid for the items (I didn't ).

Use AOD stability tester, it is very good if you can get it working. It is designed by a processor MFG DAMMIT. Who else knows what a stable processor is if not them? But only use it on the P0H BIOS with MSI RD790 (others give problems), it should give you no problems and work fine (let me know if it does).

Thank you.

[KTE]

He had to RMA his BE.

Why though?