Phenom and 3DMark

[SF3D]

I can bench 05 tonight with following setup:
Yorkfield 333x9 + X38 + DDR2 + 2900Pro 860/980
Operating system is Vista 32-bit.

Let's see what the score will be...

[kwalker]

I would be interested in seeing yorkfield vs phenom folding SMP for a half hour each both at stock settings but then again this would be the wrong section.
cant blame a guy for asking

[misteroadster]

Really interresting thread, i'm really happy for the good results from the phenom, 2005 is so cpu dependant. 3DM2005 is a lot more cpu dependant than new games as Crysis with quality setting settings just under 60Fps.

It would be interresting to see some numbers under XP too, particulary 3DM2001

Just any question : Phenom should have 6Mo L3 and 4X1Mo L2 in 2008 ?


Thanks for the numbers macci, i hope a lot since you reappeared


Edit : Ok Vista Roxx

[hipro5]

George,

don't downclock anything or switch to DDR2 - thanks for the ref. score! now I have a new target again (which is not too far either)

I think my GT3 is too low for the clocks (I remember it stutters in the beginning of GT3). Let me try WinXP. I think I can get it to over 20.5k too.

in any case its still a VERY close match.

I'll work on that 06 number during the weekend.

speaking of latest technology: I think you should try with Vista (for both 05 / 06)

You filthy pron macci......
You didn't tell me that 2k5 on Windows VISTA shines!.....AHA!.....THAT'S why you have benched it on VISTA right?......

I ALSO have stutters in the beginning of GT3 with XP OR VISTA....You should fix the drivers a bit I think.....

With my previus setting on rams, I got 20694 and with more tight settings, I got the below......
ALSO my VGA rams are LOWER than yours....

Take a look at the Performance Level you INTEL guys.....

The point is that you have the possibility to compare fair yet you prefer to do it otherwise. You wanne know who is faster clock per clock in this bench yet you use a factor that influence GT1 and GT3 for sure.

Memory Bandwidth influence a LOT GT1 and a bit GT2.....
Now tell me this..... Isn't Phenom supposed to have INTERNAL MEMORY CONTROLLER that wipes out EVERY Intel rig?......Yes or No?.....
This is GT1 of the 2k5....
Now do you want to compare ALL 3Ds to see how Phenon is NOT doing that well at all?.....

You're right if one would compare what cpu is better for extreme benching purpose ... but then, you would choose Intel just because you can clock it at 5,8G using ln² .

To find out what cpu is better clock per clock, you need to use the same hardware/software .

SOFTWARE used the SAME now......Windows Vista and it seems that it performs BETTER as for 2k5.....

SO we will NOW "avoid" the "SOFTWARE influence" since BOTH benchies where done on VISTA and we keep on, right?....

Hardware: Look my above answer to BeardyMan....

We are testing at the EXACT SAME FREQUENCY/bench/software and EACH system is MAXED out with whatever methods the manufacturer provide us....

anyways, George CAN run the setup at 4.7Ghz on air, while macci is stuck at 3Ghz on air.. enough said at xs.org?

Again that 2750Mhz George compared to Badnizze had 458MHz FSB. That's insane FSB for quads. Try ~333MHz and you have a proper comparison.

"Insane fsb for QUADS" is the 500MHz+ M8....This 428 is peanuts....

.

[Sampsa]

hipro you cheater.. no wonder your scores are higher because your GPU clock is 863 MHz instead of 860 MHz

[hipro5]

hipro you cheater.. no wonder your scores are higher because your GPU clock is 863 MHz instead of 860 MHz

....and?..... what frequency is that?...
Plus Riva Tuner can't take it at 860 sharp....it puts it on 863....

[dinos22]

good job hipro

what's the vMCH on the board for that PL?

[BeardyMan]

Ok i will do it myself next week on my QX9650, and teamgroup DDR2.
Omg a stupid run on DDR2 seems to be mission impossible

[hipro5]

good job hipro

what's the vMCH on the board for that PL?

I used 1.95VMCH dinos....
Also - a secret - Strap 200

Ok i will do it myself next week on my QX9650, and teamgroup DDR2.
Omg a stupid run on DDR2 seems to be mission impossible

I don't own a DDR2 mobo any more M8......What can I do?.....Bench with ABIT AW9D MAX and X6800?.....
I'll borrow an ASUS Blitz Formula for you....

[zakelwe]

I don't care who wins this is fun to watch. I think Macci can tweak a fair bit more yet but i get the feeling Hipro has more in hand hardware wise.

It's nice to see Macci back benching again Looking forward to results with LN2.

Regards

Andy

[dinos22]

I used 1.95VMCH dinos....
Also - a secret - Strap 200

that explains low PL value besides monsterous voltages on MCH

what cooling do you have on MCH
looks like i'll have to crack open my nautilus 500 with chipset cooler block from corsair to really push the damn RAM and straps

buying one of OPBs boards :p for super fast CDT ownage hahahah j/k
really need a decent board for RAM clocking and ddr3 GB isn't cutting it atm
bios needs a lot of work on them

[Timbosan]

[B]

"Insane fsb for QUADS" is the 500MHz+ M8....This 428 is peanuts....

.

yep - P5k does 480 FSB with quad at 1.4v vMCH & 1.7v PLL

[hipro5]

what cooling do you have on MCH

I have a cooper Enzotech heatsink with a DELTA 4x4cm 10000rpms on it.....

[massman]

Memory Bandwidth influence a LOT GT1 and a bit GT2.....
Now tell me this..... Isn't Phenom supposed to have INTERNAL MEMORY CONTROLLER that wipes out EVERY Intel rig?......Yes or No?.....
This is GT1 of the 2k5....
Now do you want to compare ALL 3Ds to see how Phenon is NOT doing that well at all?.....

SOFTWARE used the SAME now......Windows Vista and it seems that it performs BETTER as for 2k5.....

SO we will NOW "avoid" the "SOFTWARE influence" since BOTH benchies where done on VISTA and we keep on, right?....

Hardware: Look my above answer to BeardyMan....

We are testing at the EXACT SAME FREQUENCY/bench/software and EACH system is MAXED out with whatever methods the manufacturer provide us....

You sick bastard . PL=4 is just TOO fast

Anyway, I take your point, going as fast as you can with the hardware that the manuf supports does seem to make more sense

Now, I'm hoping that Macci is going to pass this again, just to keep this battle going. You know ... I have a flashback to 2003

[hipro5]

You know ... I have a flashback to 2003

[BadNizze]

Hipro: 4,5k @ 2750 is FAST, Don´t think i can match that...ever, But I will try My DFi board, does not suffer from the Low NB clock bug. As my older Gigabyte did\does.

Regarding the FSB thing, K8 does not scale with HTT\FSB I have not done testing with K10, but i think it´s safe to say that running high HTT does not give much in terms of preformance on K10 either. But it would be nice to see what a york does @ 3Ghz with 333FSb for reference. Could someone run 2,4ghz on a York to? Would be nice to see how it scales with Mhz aswell! No one have tested york @ low mhz, right?

[massman]

No one have tested york @ low mhz, right?

I'm keeping track of as many 45nm 1M results as possible. This is 1M vs MHz, not useful here, but I have one result with very low clock freq, which shows that it scales pretty good.

[Simps]

Macci will beat it

[SF3D]

Here is totally stock result with yorkfield. Over 20K, but not much. (This is my 24/7 machine, so there is a lot of crap in background)

QX9650 9x333
Maximus Formula
2900Pro 863/999
2GB ram/ DDR2 1005 / 4-4-4-6
"strap" 266 (-->200 wasn't stable because NB was too hot.)
Performance level= 4
Vista 32-bit.
Catalyst 7.10 /7.11 doesn't work for some reason.

[Simps]

@ SF3D

Nice!
Can you show us some 3DMARK06 with those stock settings?

[]'s
Simps

[mongoled]

nice one guys, come on Hipro play nice

good to see Macci benching ti is fun to watch

good to see ipc is close

[BeardyMan]

Here is totally stock result with yorkfield. Over 20K, but not much. (This is my 24/7 machine, so there is a lot of crap in background)

QX9650 9x333
Maximus Formula
2900Pro 863/999
2GB ram/ DDR2 1005 / 4-4-4-6
"strap" 266 (-->200 wasn't stable because NB was too hot.)
Performance level= 4
Vista 32-bit.
Catalyst 7.10 /7.11 doesn't work for some reason.

as i thought so, the reason why hipro doesnt show DDR2 cause he knows that phenom with DDR beats teh crap out of yorkfield with DDR2 and for sure when macci is roling the dices , thx for the info man

[dpa]

as i thought so, the reason why hipro doesnt show DDR2 cause he knows that phenom with DDR beats teh crap out of yorkfield with DDR2 and for sure when macci is roling the dices , thx for the info man

why do you really need ddr2 for...?? ddr3 is the new thing now, just let DDR2 go, okey?

[Oliver]

Really impressive there George.

Keep pushing it.

[LowRun]

why do you really need ddr2 for...?? ddr3 is the new thing now, just let DDR2 go, okey?

DDR2 is still what 99% will buy today.