Official HD 2900 Discussion Thread

[nn_step]

@shintai.....I agree with you on all the gosip about this card I myself am sick and tired of it too, but don't be such a Killjoy all the time.

he isn't always a kill joy. Just about AMD and now ATi

[Daveb2012]

2900XT>8800 Ultra?

[Shintai]

he isn't always a kill joy. Just about AMD and now ATi

For some reason you always forget when I bash Intel or nVidia. Makes it more valid for you?

Perhaps thats because you use all your time bashing those and praising AMD.

Im abit like Ed, just overall always negative

Crititique is what improve things. Not just sitting and clapping hands.

[Brother Esau]

he isn't always a kill joy. Just about AMD and now ATi

Yea so I noticed! To bad the reality is that AMD is superior to Intel out side of the current offerings my system which is old by all standards is still more responsive compared to the new Conroe system I just built my buddy!

[Brother Esau]

For some reason you always forget when I bash Intel or nVidia. Makes it more valid for you?

Perhaps thats because you use all your time bashing those and praising AMD.

Im abit like Ed, just overall always negative

Crititique is what improve things. Not just sitting and clapping hands.

Hey bro take some Mushrooms or LSD and get that smile back!

[v_rr]

One more than quite possible fake SS, and everyone goes nuts again in hype. Its like when one hype is shoot down, a new emerge in some rapid hopes.

Sound didn´t turn out well either. And if it was such a killer, it would be a 699$ card!

Its beyond a tech discussion, its a "want to believe" thread now.

Ya right. We will see when DX_10 games came out. And then a 8800 be so good at DX_10 as Nvidia FX where with DX_9.

Don´t forget that if ATI wanted big performance at DX_9 they only need to take the R580 arquitecture and put the specs of the R600 on it. That card simply crush 8800 in DX_9, but in DX_10 it sucked....

The specs in R600 are there. Now is only a time to came out games thar use those specs for processing high-complex scenes. Don´t forget the videos of dx_10 games runing and the power that is needed for that.

The discussion now in DX_9 games is only for fanboys. The market want DX_10 numbers, and not fanboy talk....

[Shintai]

Ya right. We will see when DX_10 games came out. And then a 8800 be so good at DX_10 as Nvidia FX where with DX_9.

Don´t forget that if ATI wanted big performance at DX_9 they only need to take the R580 arquitecture and put the specs of the R600 on it. That card simply crush 8800 in DX_9, but in DX_10 it sucked....

The specs in R600 are there. Now is only a time to came out games thar use those specs for processing high-complex scenes. Don´t forget the videos of dx_10 games runing and the power that is needed for that.

The discussion now in DX_9 games is only for fanboys. The market want DX_10 numbers, and not fanboy talk....

And why would it perform radically different in DX10?

[AbelJemka]

ATi HD2900XT - AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+@2009Mhz - 1GB DDR2
3DMark 06: 11335



http://www.generation-3d.com/11335-s...-XT,ac8886.htm

All i can say it's that the score is true and even truely amazing.
http://www.crazypc.ro/forum/attachme...3&d=1149528112

[AbelJemka]

And why would it perform radically different in DX10?

R520 and R580 prove themselves more future proof than their Nvidia counterpart. R600 is suppose too be a monster with geometry shaders so we can suppose that it will performs very well in Directx10 games but for sure supposition is not fact so let's release some Directx10 games!!!

[v_rr]

And why would it perform radically different in DX10?

Just because those DX_10 games are 5 times more complex. Or what you see on the movies is made by the power of good?

Don´t forget the specs of the R600. They crush G80 specs. Is only a matter of time to have those specs in R600 working at 100% and then we will see who wins who.

Neither Nvidia engeneers are miraculous, neither ATI engeniers are stupid.

Is only a matter of optimising the arquitecture for DX_9 ou DX_10. ATI whent clearly for DX_10.

[MAS]

true calculated you mean

[AbelJemka]

true calculated you mean

Yes is taht i mean. I spend lots of time on this forum and this score have been made by forum's admin so i think it's true. If Perkam post a score made by him and we know he fakes the score i don't think someone can trust him after so i think it's true.

[Lightman]

All i can say it's that the score is true and even truely amazing.
http://www.crazypc.ro/forum/attachme...3&d=1149528112

What is suspicious is that on every previous leaked screen from 3DMark06 R600 was giving better scores at SM3.0 than SM2.0. This one is opposite ...

But if this SS is true then ATI driver programmers did miracle

[Brother Esau]

Well my buddy just had me build a conroe system for him with a 8800GTX and benching his system with a E6600 @3.0ghz with the 8800gtx in Aquamark3 it scored 179,860 but benching my current system with his 8800gtx I got 108,000 and generally with my ATI 1950XTX no OC I get 103,000

Do I think that the new ATI card will whoop on the 8800GTX most deffinately considering that my ATI card scores only 5,000 less than the 8800gtx does and thats at lower clock settings with no O.C.

The tests that you see online in that review have to be wrong and driver related
because there is no way seeing how I have done a side by side comparison in my system with ATI & Nvidea's current flag ships!

[deathman20]

ATi HD2900XT - AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+@2009Mhz - 1GB DDR2
3DMark 06: 11335



http://www.generation-3d.com/11335-s...-XT,ac8886.htm

Again if true, since everyone seems to flip out if I say wow or something, thats amazing imagine under a C2D, with more horse power say 3.6Ghz surely it will score above 15k.

What is suspicious is that on every previous leaked screen from 3DMark06 R600 was giving better scores at SM3.0 than SM2.0. This one is opposite ...

Well if you want to be suspicious its that high SM2 and SM3 score if you want to look at anything thats very high compared to even a 8800GTX.

[AbelJemka]

Aquamark 3 is all cpu related.

[Shintai]

Well my buddy just had me build a conroe system for him with a 8800GTX and benching his system with a E6600 @3.0ghz with the 8800gtx in Aquamark3 it scored 179,860 but benching my current system with his 8800gtx I got 108,000 and generally with my ATI 1950XTX no OC I get 103,000

Do I think that the new ATI card will whoop on the 8800GTX most deffinately considering that my ATI card scores only 5,000 less than the 8800gtx does and thats at lower clock settings with no O.C.

The tests that you see online in that review have to be wrong and driver related
because there is no way seeing how I have done a side by side comparison in my system with ATI & Nvidea's current flag ships!

No GPU will help when you are CPU limited.

[Brother Esau]

Doubt I was CPU challenged considering I had my OPty @2980MHZ for testing.

[Shintai]

Doubt I was CPU challenged considering I had my OPty @2980MHZ for testing.

Uhmm..yes, your CPU was the slow part.

Opteron 165 @ 3GHz: 120,655
Conroe @ 3GHz: 162,561

AMD Opteron 165 @ 3GHz
2x eVGA 7900 GT SLI @ 700/800 - Forceware 84.66
2x 1GB G.Skill DDR500 3-4-4-8
DFI NF4 Ultra-D A0 Modded to SLI-D
Western Digital 250GB 7200RPM SATA HDD
OCZ GameXStream 700w PSU

Intel Core 2 Duo (Conroe) E6600 ES @ 3ghz
2x eVGA 7900 GT SLI @ 700/800 - Forceware 84.56
2x 1GB G.Skill DDR2-800 4-4-4-12
Intel D975XBX "Bad Axe" Mobo
Western Digital 250GB 7200RPM SATA HDD
OCZ GameXStream 700w PSU

[Brother Esau]

No doubt so we will just have to put my XT1950 XTX in his build and see whats what.

[Brother Esau]

I thought you didn't like AMD???? You paint yourself as a devot hater of AMD....LOL...in actual fact you just be a fair weather friend

[Shintai]

I thought you didn't like AMD???? You paint yourself as a devot hater of AMD....LOL...in actual fact you just be a fair weather friend

Eh? Because I told it was your CPU that was slow? What should I have said instead, when you were CPU bottlenecked?

[Brother Esau]

I don't get it?? What you just said makes no sense as its one and the same. I will see how the 2 compare in his rig but, I still think the tests they did must be wrong and driver related.

But can I intrest you in some happy pills?

[Brother Esau]

Sorry just re read the post, I need sleep gotta get some shut eye.
But I will test my card in his build and get back to you boys on what I find.

[Periander6]

Its beyond a tech discussion, its a "want to believe" thread now.

It's amazing what hope will cause people to swallow.

First the March delay and the absurd "strategy" excuse about the family launch. AMD/ATI dying for cash and they delay for marketing reasons? Where is the family launch now? R630 and R610 coming out on 5/14, or are they going to delay the R600 again? LOL to anyone that bought that joke of an excuse.

Second, the NDA at CeBIT. DAAMIT's got nothing in the $300+ market to cannibalize. What possible reason for the NDA if benchies are good??

Third, the NDA in Tunis. Same as above but X10. What possible reason if the numbers are good? Don't give me a Bush-level "strategerie" like the family launch above.

Fourth, the pricing. When you are releasing a new flagship and your whole company is dying for cash, who the hell talks about pricing and undercutting the competition instead of beating the crap out of them performance wise??

Fifth. DT, Kyle and Fuad (a pure ATI fanboi) all working together in some gigantic FUD conspiracy to trash the R600 just a couple days before launch. Yeah, ok. To what purpose when the numbers will be out for all to see in a couple of days except to trash their own credibility?

Fifth, ATI's own slides not even bothering to mention any XTX, talking about "technology" instead of "performance" leadership, and comparing the XT against the GTS or even their own X1950 LOL.

All of this, and there are still people searching for any excuse to convince themselves that the R600 is going to kick the GTX's ass. WTF?

Here's the bottom line. The R600 is going to be an NV30 level disaster. Crazy late, with performance hardly better than the competition's 2nd best from 6 months ago, and while sucking up an insane level of power (200 watts, with 225+ needed for overclocking?!?) that dwarfs the already power hungry GTX and with heat and cooling issues associated with that. After all this time that's nothing but a very ugly disaster, one that won't be helping AMD one bit and will do very little to push NV into cutting prices. That is bad for everyone, but it doesn't change reality, and that is what the reality is.