mATX and E4300, any OC results yet?

[__Miguel_]

Thats not really ture. AMD has had great O/Cing Matx boards even with a chipset with IGP. IMO the SFF market is really catching on. I just wish there was better cases out for Matx.

Ups, I forgot to say I was only referring to IGPs for Intel CPUs. I don't know AMD products well enough to talk about them.

I do, however, still think IGP chipsets are inherently lousier OCers than non-IGP ones. Let's just hope that the SFF market demand "forces" chipset and board manufacturers to close that gap, or at least to make it smaller... With the Conroe-based CPUs being OC monsters, and presumably the same thing applying to future AMD CPUs, it might be hard, let's just hope they manage it. If they do, probably my next PC will be m-ATX based (no CF/SLI for me, I just need 1xPCI-E 16x for the VGA, 1xPCI for the X-Fi and eventually 1xPCI/PCI-E 1x for the TV Tuner. Just give the same performance and features (like Gigabit Ethernet, RAID 5 and Firewire) I have on full ATX boards and I'm off... hehe

Cheers.

Miguel

[TEDY]

price of this abit f-90hd ? and any link ?

[Heidfirst]

€100 +-
http://www.geizhals.co.uk/eu/a240946.html

[TEDY]

My beta test with the P5LD2 VM SE (PLL =IDT CV122C) is now completed, and the soft made by ABO-san is now fully fonctionnal!
The new revision is now available for download!

Very gratefull for this outstanding job, ABO!

we have here

P5LD2 VM and P5LD2 VM SE

what is the difference beside P5LD2 VM SE is 20$/€ cheaper

[TEDY]

€100 +-
http://www.geizhals.co.uk/eu/a240946.html

yay it has also integrated grahics....

e4300/e6300 and 1gb ddr2 and voila....small c2d system for less then 400€

[pvhk]

we have here

P5LD2 VM and P5LD2 VM SE

what is the difference beside P5LD2 VM SE is 20$/€ cheaper

P5LD2VM SE has only 2 DDR2 slots, 1 IDE
P5LD2VM has 4 DDR2 slots, 2 IDE connectors, more bios options (vDDR, vMCH).

[vengance_01]

Ups, I forgot to say I was only referring to IGPs for Intel CPUs. I don't know AMD products well enough to talk about them.

I do, however, still think IGP chipsets are inherently lousier OCers than non-IGP ones. Let's just hope that the SFF market demand "forces" chipset and board manufacturers to close that gap, or at least to make it smaller... With the Conroe-based CPUs being OC monsters, and presumably the same thing applying to future AMD CPUs, it might be hard, let's just hope they manage it. If they do, probably my next PC will be m-ATX based (no CF/SLI for me, I just need 1xPCI-E 16x for the VGA, 1xPCI for the X-Fi and eventually 1xPCI/PCI-E 1x for the TV Tuner. Just give the same performance and features (like Gigabit Ethernet, RAID 5 and Firewire) I have on full ATX boards and I'm off... hehe

Cheers.

Miguel

I agree. IGP chipsets never normally O/C very well

[__Miguel_]

yay it has also integrated grahics....

Of course it has integrated graphics. mATX mobos (for Intel CPUs, that is) pretty much always have integrated graphics (the exception being, unless anyone knows of another example, one 865PE-based ASRock mobo; and remember that the Shuttle SLI system is smaller than ATX AND is for AMD-based systems).

The best thing about the integrated graphics of this board is that you can actually use them for something else than office work. Not that you get anywhere serious with a x300 sibling (I read somewhere that it is in fact a severely cut-down version of the x700, with performances in the x300 area), but is it better than the insanely low performance of the 945G/G965 cores...

And you also get a very decent OCer. For that price, it surely beats the c out of my favourite mATX boards, the Asus P5B-VM (which is 33% more expensive) and the ASRock ConRoe945G-DVI (which is 15~20% cheaper). I just hope they get to Portugal with that price tag, if that happens I'm bound to get one for my "spare" system.

e4300/e6300 and 1gb ddr2 and voila....small c2d system for less then 400€

If you can live without the G965 chipset (which will in fact make the system more expensive) and the extra features of that board (namely, HDCP support, "beefier" integrated graphics and excelent OC capabilities - for a mATX board, of course), you can also try a 945G-based mobo. I'm very fond of the ConRoe945G-DVI by ASRock, which is much cheaper than, well, pretty much everything in the market that has a REAL PCI-E 16x slot (non-Intel chipsets excluded, of course, but you're REALLY on a budget if you have to go there... lol) and supports everything but C2Q CPUs, you can drop that value a bit more. Shame the E4300 is so expensive here in Portugal, with €10 more you get an E6300...

The final value I got was €390, with 2x1GB DDR2-667 OEM sticks , E4300 and the ConRoe; €410 for the Abit-based system, and put in €90 for case, PSU, keyboard and mouse, if you need them, and you get an exceptional sub-€500 machine, like an HTPC... Wow, that's nice

Cheers.

Miguel

[pvhk]

Probably my e4300 which hold me back@340:
testing fsb@350 w/ x6800 multi lowered(8x):

[pvhk]

my little review of the f-i90hd:
http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Hardwar...1.htm#t5322597

[TEDY]

pvhk thanks

[pvhk]

pvhk thanks

if it can help!

[oohms]

So 360 fsb is pretty much as high as it does?

Ill prob go amd, and not have to worry about those ati southbridges

[__Miguel_]

Just one little question for you, pvhk. Can you check if that board is SpeedFan-compatible (meaning, SpeedFan can control the fans' speeds), especially with a 3-pin CPU fan? Thanks.

Appart from that, how come there aren't that many G965-based mobos in this thread? Are they really that bad OC'ing? What about Foxxconn's G9657MA-8EKRS2H? (well, it seems I am finally able to memorise Foxxconn model numbers, which is rather odd... lol)

Cheers.

Miguel

[Lestat]

Just one little question for you, pvhk. Can you check if that board is SpeedFan-compatible (meaning, SpeedFan can control the fans' speeds), especially with a 3-pin CPU fan? Thanks.

Appart from that, how come there aren't that many G965-based mobos in this thread? Are they really that bad OC'ing? What about Foxxconn's G9657MA-8EKRS2H? (well, it seems I am finally able to memorise Foxxconn model numbers, which is rather odd... lol)

Cheers.

Miguel

yes they are that bad at overclocking.

ALLLL the other board either lose SATA/NIC at around 300 or so. or cant even overclock that high.
ther eis only 1 or 2 ASUS boards that can do 350 but that is realllly stretching it and you have to run the pci-e at 120mhz.

so far the bit is the best but your still only gunna hit around 350-370. but, and i maybe wrong, you do not have to crank the pci-e way way high.

i have yet to see anyone post their best mem timings or highest mem speeds.
i mean the thing does have memory dividers.

[pvhk]

Just one little question for you, pvhk. Can you check if that board is SpeedFan-compatible (meaning, SpeedFan can control the fans' speeds), especially with a 3-pin CPU fan? Thanks.

Appart from that, how come there aren't that many G965-based mobos in this thread? Are they really that bad OC'ing? What about Foxxconn's G9657MA-8EKRS2H? (well, it seems I am finally able to memorise Foxxconn model numbers, which is rather odd... lol)

Cheers.

Miguel

I did not managed to control fans with speedfan yet, must look further!

Foxxconn's G9657MA-8EKRS2H: this mb has lots of functionnality!
the max fsb is around 320 like all other 965g...

the new conroe1333-DVI/H reach easily fsb@350 (but needs a bump of the pcie@118-120 like most 945g)

The gigabyte GA965 GM S2 can handle up to fsb@368(bios F4) with easytune5 (under windows only) without sata issue but only 280 using bios settings...

[swaaye]

I have an E4300 on a v3.3 DS3 and can't do more than about 350 anyway. I blame the CPU as I've tried absolutely everything that I and all of the threads out there can come up with. It must be a strap issue. Just last night I threw away an hour trying to irk it to 356 for 3.2 GHz. It booted fine a few times and went into Windows fine, and then decided that was enough and did the trademark DS3 reboot loop bullsh*t. Even after several CMOS clears, it would not boot again at 356. Back at 345/3.1 again.

I've personally overclocked a P5L-MX. I have one at work with a E6300 on it. Ran it up to about 360 MHz. Any higher and SATA didn't work. The internal NIC is junk even at stock (was BSODing me! that one took months to discover) and so a crappy PCI Realtek NIC is in there permanently. I have just left the machine at 333 MHz FSB. Nice little boost and SATA should be safe from any weird corruption.

[pvhk]

It is possible to control fans with speedfan 4.32!
In "advance": select winbond W83627DHG and set PWM mode (1 to 4) to"manual PWM control" and it's done!

[__Miguel_]

Nice to know that, pvhk. You are using 3-pin fans all around and can control every fan that way, right?

Now I only need to know a way to make a Winbond W83627EHF (or EHG, the report isn't very acurate...) chip do the same thing on my ASRock 775i945GZ board... The "Manuel PWM Control" doesn't work, so I can't control my fans, even those on 3-pin connectors...

Anyway, thank you for the info. One more reason to get one of those babies...

Btw, do you (in general) think your visions about G965 mobos not being good mATX mobos (not including OC capabilities, of course) may change once Intel "coughs up" the new performance (and probably already DX10-enabling) drivers for that chipset (due sometime over "the next few months")? And, being those drivers DX10-ready or not, could they somehow enable better OC?

The thing is, I'm really considering a new board for a small system (a HTPC/semi-portable hybrid using a tiny custom-made box). Nothing too fancy, it will probably run only integrated graphics. But I'm strugling to decide between the X1250 and G965 chipsets, the two boards I like are €5 off in price (btw, those two boards are the F-I90HD and the G9657MA-8EKRS2H)...

This is probably not the best place to talk about it, but how would each one fare?

Cheers.

Miguel

[PlatinumJSI]

I currently have this board at 355FSB but cant get any more with any kind of stability , I can get into windows at 365FSB but it crashes, I have tried upping the CPU voltage but this didnt help making me think its not the CPU holding me back

[SP1]

Why don't they just make a P965 (or the upcoming P35) motherboard and chop three slots off. If you are going to use a graphics card you won't be paying for an intergrated graphics chip that you are never going to use.

[__Miguel_]

Why don't they just make a P965 (or the upcoming P35) motherboard and chop three slots off. If you are going to use a graphics card you won't be paying for an intergrated graphics chip that you are never going to use.

That has been the question (or rather a variation of that question) several people keen on mATX mobos have been asking themselves for years now. The fact is, however, mATX mobos are still seen as entry-level motherboards, for those people who can't/won't buy larger/more expensive boards. So everything but the kitchen sink is thrown in (as far as basic functionality goes), and off the client goes. The odd thing is, if the mobo/CPU/memory combo is the right one, he won't even notice anything for years to come...

Also, LANParties are recent events, high-performance systems didn't need to be compact a few years ago.

That explains why the only motherboard to date to follow what you ask was made for socket 478, by ASRock, based on the 865PE chipset. I really think, however, that a shift may happen in a near future. The Abit F-I90HD is just an example. It is the second OC-friendly mATX board I know (the other one being a AM2 mobo by the same manufacturer...), and the first to actually have the Fatal1ty logo, which means it was at least designed for gamers, or with them in mind (whichever suits you better, I know many think the Fatal1ty brand means nothing... lol). Also, Firewire and RAID functions are slowly appearing on mATX boards, too. Take the Foxconn G9657MA-8EKRS2H, for one.

Taking the next step and changing IGP chipsets for regular chipsets may not be that far...

Cheers.

Miguel

[dogsx2]

9 x 350 is working ok. I am going to use 3.0 stock volts for 24/7 but want to see how high fsb I can get.



9 x 370 works ok too. I only have an old Intel stock cooler with the steel bottom so I am not going to try any higher until I get a better cooler. If it will not die, it's a great mb.

[dexx]

It would be great if someone like DFI came out with a LanParty mATX board using 965p chipset. A board measuring just 8" x 9.6" which can clock a conroe to 500MHz and run two memory slots at that speed would be wonderful.

[__Miguel_]

It would be great if someone like DFI came out with a LanParty mATX board using 965p chipset. A board measuring just 8" x 9.6" which can clock a conroe to 500MHz and run two memory slots at that speed would be wonderful.

Well, if someone is brave enough to do that it's DFI. They have always been the first ones to try weird stuff on their boards (I'm thinking reactive slots and RD600, for example).

The thing is, it would probably be a VERY expensive board, because of the low volume production and niche market.

I'm only affraid that the market divides completely on a near future (especially after reading that Intel is creating a Quad-FX competitor), and we'll have to choose between performance (like E-ATX boards with multiple CPU/GPU sockets and slots) and size (m-ATX or smaller, with only one CPU socket and one GPU slot).

True, you have to choose right now, but even a QX6800 and single 8800GTX m-ATX-based system is capable of immense performance, even at stock (it would totally kill my E6400+X1950Pro+P5B Deluxe rig anytime), there is not that huge of a leap to SLI/CF and massively OC'ed systems, especially if you don't want to go to a LAN Party carrying a 30'' monitor... lol Not really so with a 3 or 4-GPU based solution (possibly even handling physics processing) with two high-end quad-core CPUs... The performance difference would be huge just for the extra cores and physics processing...

Anyway, even if that happens, I do hope games will still be playable even on single socket single GPU machines... :P

Cheers.

Miguel