Crucial Ballistix 8000C5 EPP oc...

[nicepun]

max at 2.45 on my non-tracers was 1200mhz 4-4-4-5

see the ddr600 club post.

I don't think the tracers will perform the same, or maybe you got a good batch of regular ballistix. Anyway, below are a pic of the Tracers. I have not been able to do 1200Mhz w/ these as I've did with the non-Tracers, I tried with my P5W DH and P5B Deluxe. Maybe it has something to do with the lights robbing some of the performance because it has to power the lights...I don't know.

[Roger_D25]

Interesting nicepun since their also D9GMH IC's? I guess it's safe to say that not all D9GMH modules are going to perform the same, like any other compoent some will do better than others. In my case I havn't yet pushed them for high clockspeeds (only tested at 1100), just been working on tight timings and 1T for the moment. Now that I've got my Xeon running stable at 3.6Ghz I'm looking forward to pushing the RAM now!

irev210,
I just noticed how many kits of DDR2 RAM you have, good times, lol! Please drop me a private message if your ever looking to get rid of any of your fatbodys!

[Wrangler88]

well i ordered the normal balistics from newegg and i ended up with a set of tracers oh well i cant complain for $270 shipped!, right now ran memtest and pc-check on them for about 5 hours and its running at 1030mhz at 2.2 volts at 4-4-4-12, so i cant complain...

[irev210]

I don't think the tracers will perform the same, or maybe you got a good batch of regular ballistix. Anyway, below are a pic of the Tracers. I have not been able to do 1200Mhz w/ these as I've did with the non-Tracers, I tried with my P5W DH and P5B Deluxe. Maybe it has something to do with the lights robbing some of the performance because it has to power the lights...I don't know.

yah that was just 1m stable.

my tracers do 570 dual 32m pi stable.


overall, i think it just comes down to the batch. I got two more sets to play with now

[bofors]

I don't think the tracers will perform the same, or maybe you got a good batch of regular ballistix.
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Maybe it has something to do with the lights robbing some of the performance because it has to power the lights...I don't know.

I really doubt that the Tracers are any different than the regular Ballistix in terms of design performance. Like Irev210 said, I think batch to batch variation is a much more likely explanation.

Anyways, I have two sets of Tracers scheduled to arrive tomorrow and also one set of regular Ballistix here already. I want to do some testing, but I usually only run 1:1 on my Xeon 3060 / BadAxe1 & 2 systems. That only gives DDR2-800 at 3.6 GHz, so I am wondering if there is any particular "divider" I should be using to test for maximum RAM speed here?

[syne_24]

I don't think the tracers will perform the same, or maybe you got a good batch of regular ballistix. Anyway, below are a pic of the Tracers. I have not been able to do 1200Mhz w/ these as I've did with the non-Tracers, I tried with my P5W DH and P5B Deluxe. Maybe it has something to do with the lights robbing some of the performance because it has to power the lights...I don't know.

yea i have a feeling these tracers we bought is an older batch than the orange one. The performance might not be as good as the latest orange ones. As matter of fact the orange ones I had was definitely fresh off production. It had that strong fresh pcb smell, you know what I'm talking about lol.

[irev210]

yea i have a feeling these tracers we bought is an older batch than the orange one. The performance might not be as good as the latest orange ones. As matter of fact the orange ones I had was definitely fresh off production. It had that strong fresh pcb smell, you know what I'm talking about lol.

lol

even these tracers that I just got... one set is XXXXX.HB and the other is XXXXX.HC and one overclocks better than the other.

[irev210]

I don't think the tracers will perform the same, or maybe you got a good batch of regular ballistix. Anyway, below are a pic of the Tracers. I have not been able to do 1200Mhz w/ these as I've did with the non-Tracers, I tried with my P5W DH and P5B Deluxe. Maybe it has something to do with the lights robbing some of the performance because it has to power the lights...I don't know.

nicepun, i have that same batch also.

I could not do 1200mhz either, dont feel bad. It is the batch. What did you max out at though? It is still a REALLY REALLY good set.

I have another batch, same 11178, but HC instead of HB tracers and I am dual-32m pi right now at 580 no problem.

[bofors]

lol

even these tracers that I just got... one set is XXXXX.HB and the other is XXXXX.HC and one overclocks better than the other.

I got a set of "HB" and a set of "SZ". Will be testing later

[irev210]

oooh, SZ lol


test!

[Norz]

Heres...so slow My sp1 tweak also sucks ...



Denny also found that out...http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&postcount=36

Whats this,i been reading to try to find out why are hes time slower than mine on Asus P5B E Plus,E6300@3795,Crucial 10th Anniversary @1084mhz D9GMH (B6-3)

Is it the divider?
Im not good at superpi,only disable what i dont use,17 processes rinning in win.

[bofors]

I got a set of "HB" and a set of "SZ". Will be testing later

Wow... talking about "idiot lights"...

Anyways... both sets have passed one round of Rember (Memtest) [I do not run Windows, but Apple's OS X] at DDR2-800 (3-3-3-4) @ 2.2V. These are the settings which I have been running my regular orange Ballistix at (batch#: CL11176.WD).

EDIT: These are 24/7 settings and I actively cool my RAM (2 x 1GB) with two 60mm Vantec Steath fans (12 CFM each).

The HB is on a BadAxe1 and the SZ is on a BadAxe2. The HB appeared to fail (my system crashed) when I initially installed them and booted at DDR2-800 (4-4-4-12) @ 2.2V. But that failure was not reproducible.

I will try to post some Xtreme Bandwidth results later.

[Roger_D25]

Hey Guys,
You have talked a bit about your Ballistix batch numbers being either HC, HB, or SZ and how some might be better than others. Below is a picture of my modules, is the batch number for my modules (CL11174.8H) or is the batch number listed somewhere else? Basically I am just curious about these numbers and what they mean (is there any significance to this batch number)? Thanks for any help you can give guys!

EDIT: Just realized that the tiny type to the left of that number says "Batch" so I guess I now know what that number is, lol! In anycase the questions still stands, is there any significance to it?

[bofors]

You have talked a bit about your Ballistix batch numbers being either HC, HB, or SZ and how some might be better than others
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EDIT: Just realized that the tiny type to the left of that number says "Batch" so I guess I now know what that number is, lol! In anycase the questions still stands, is there any significance to it?

Just in case this is not clear to everyone, several people here, including myself, have just received 2 x 1GB Tracer Ballistix sets from NewEgg at an apparently erroneously discounted price: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...wpost&t=129867

These all seem to be batch# CL11178.??, where "??" is mostly "HB", but I also got an "SZ" set and other suffixes have been reported. These different suffixes may correspond to different batchs of ICs, which we should expect to have slightly different properties do to randomness in the fabrication process (like a "bell curve"). So, the idea here is to compare notes and see which of these batches are better or worse, and so far it seems that "CL11178.HB" is quite good, but not the best batch.

[nicepun]

So far these can do DDR-800 3-3-3-4 @ 2.35vdimm all day long with in my P5W DH 400x9. I will try different configurations (get it above 1000Mhz but of course with lower FSB) but I doubt that you'll get the same results as the regular ballistix (Orange Heatspreader), it may has to do with the tracers (lights), I don't know but I can't think of anything else that maybe a factor for these tracers not to perform. Both sets have are "HB" batch so I'll messing with the on the P5B Deluxe and P5W DH. I believe 1100Mhz at CL4 with 2.45vdimm is doable. I will say that these are good for the price.

[bofors]

... but I doubt that you'll get the same results as the regular ballistix (Orange Heatspreader), it may has to do with the tracers (lights), I don't know but I can't think of anything else that maybe a factor for these tracers not to perform.

Crucial actually does address this concern here:

The LEDs operate independently from the rest of the module and do not affect performance.

http://www.crucial.com/uk/ballistix/...asp?key=tracer

[nicepun]

I'm moving this stuff over the Ballistix Tracers thread.

Crucial actually does address this concern here:

The LEDs operate independently from the rest of the module and do not affect performance.

http://www.crucial.com/uk/ballistix/...asp?key=tracer

I know this but where do the light draw their power from? Also, I've done some testing on @ 1120Mhz 4-4-4-4 @ 2.45vdimm (set in BIOS) with a P5B Deluxe. The P5W DH does not like this mem for anything when it comes to 1000Mhz, I tried different dividers with no luck, however it's doing quite well with 800Mhz 3-3-3-4 @ 2.35vdimm. I know it's not my P5W DH because I have some D9GKX and does well with it above 1000Mhz. I do not have my Regular Ballistix PC2-8000 here but I'll get a hold of it and test it in the P5W DH to see if there's a difference.

[T07N]

I just got mine. I can't even pass memtest86+ 1.7 with stock settings. Anyone got similar setup as mine and did some memtesting on these and actually had it pass couple times? I can get mine to pass memtest with certain settings but it seems like these sticks are really sensitive and they will throw errors if you don't throw good voltage at them. I usually get couple errors in the same area on the same test. If you got them please do some memtest! I can orthos all day and it will be stable. My system feels stable, but memtest will give me couple errors.

[Harshal]

Ok I got mine to 800 with 3-3-3-8 @ 2.2V and it passed 300%+ Win-Memtest & even went thru with Pi32M. Will post screenies once I get Home.

[T07N]

I don't think win-memtest will test your mem as well as memtest from dos. Because when you're in windows, windows uses your memory so you can't test the whole 2048mb you have.

[Harshal]

Agreed, but I got bored of doing things. But after Hard-Work, testing things gets really BORING!

[T07N]

Ok, I was too quick to blame the memory for all my problems.

Just because you get errors in memtest doesn't mean it's always the memory. I found out that my overclocking settings were making my memory fail. There's a lot for me to say but some of you don't want to hear the rest. Just know that you should run your computer at stock speed and test the memory before you do any overclocking.

Right now it might be too early to tell but I'm passing memtest at 533mhz 4-4-4-12 2.25v. This memory is good stuff. I will let it run for the night then we'll see what sup in the morning.

[T07N]

By the way, anyone here wanna share their sub timings with me? What's a good sub timing for the 10-10-10-10 on my motherboard? I don't know what to set those? I think I need to loosen them at high clocks. Like 600.

[Roger_D25]

Just in case this is not clear to everyone, several people here, including myself, have just received 2 x 1GB Tracer Ballistix sets from NewEgg at an apparently erroneously discounted price: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...wpost&t=129867

These all seem to be batch# CL11178.??, where "??" is mostly "HB", but I also got an "SZ" set and other suffixes have been reported. These different suffixes may correspond to different batchs of ICs, which we should expect to have slightly different properties do to randomness in the fabrication process (like a "bell curve"). So, the idea here is to compare notes and see which of these batches are better or worse, and so far it seems that "CL11178.HB" is quite good, but not the best batch.

I also think that is a great idea but how should we go about this? We should come up with some guidelines on how to test each kit so that we can actually do some objective comparsons (unless we can come up with some other way to compare the different batch numbers)? Anyway guys post your thoughts on this, I'd defienlty be game for posting results on these kits to get a better idea of what batches do better than others!

TO7N,
In my case I tested a bunch with voltage in the 2.0v-2.25v and results were less than optimal but as soon as I started putting some more voltage to them the fun began! These kits seem to scale very well to voltage and I feel quite safe running 2.4v-2.45v with active cooling, at least I havn't had any major problems yet (fingers crossed)!

[T07N]

I think I got mine very stable for 24/7 usage at 600mhz 5-5-5-15-5-35-11-11-11-11 2.35v in bios. Sub timing matters... I couldn't get my memory stable no matter what I did until I changed the tRFC and the other sub timings. I couldn't even get them stable even if I pumped more voltage into them.

I ran orthos and memtest for a couple hours and no errors. I'm gonna make sure even more by totally powering the system off and turning it on again and do some more test. But right now I'm very happy with my memory.

Here are some numbers:

I don't know why the latency test have different results when they are done differently.