WC in an Antec P182

[Card Nox]

Hello,

First of my apologies for me terrible English
Second; I hope I have posted this in the correct part of the forum.

My little story:
I want to switch to watercooling.
I have read a lot, but still there are some thinks I’m not completely sure of.
For starters let’s get clear about what I want:

Demands
Everything internal
Silence
Cooling (enough for a C2D or C2Q @ 4Ghz)
Cheap (Around 300 euro)

What i want to cool
CPU
NB
GPU

I currently own 5 Scythe S-Flex F fans with the Sunbeam Rheobus fancontroller.
I would like to have the fans @ 7V = 900rpm because i find them near silent at that speed.
S-Flex F performance @ SPCR: review


Below is my set-up till now (with special thanks to coolfris for his help). Please advise me about the setup-up.

CPU
XSPC - X2O Delta
ProductPage : XSPC
Price : 37 euro @ Aquatuning
Review @ XS van Martinm210
Review @ OverClock3D.net
UserReview @ Tweakers.net
Relative low flow restriction, pretty low prices, thus a decent price / performance ratio.

GPU
EK Water Blocks EK-FC8800 GT/GTS (G92) SLI ready – Acetal
ProductPage : EK Water Blocks
Price : 85 euro @ Aquatuning
Review @ OverClock3D.net
Review @ Xtreme Systems
Review @ ChilledPC.co.uk
UserReview @ Tweakers.net
Why full-cover in stead of core only? It looks better and is easier to install, unfortunately it’s more flow restrictive and it costs some more.

NB
Which would be the best choice?

Swiftech MCW30 Northbridge universal
ProductPage : Swiftech
32 euro @ Aquatuning
Review @ motherboards.org
Review @ Xtreme Systems

XSPC Delta Chipset
ProductPage : XSPC
28 euro @ Aquatuning

RAD
I have been / still are doubting about what to take. A 240 or a 360 rad. A 360 rad is not so much more expensive as a 240 and it’s more ‘future-proof’ (if something like that would exist with computers).
The demand is that it can not be thicker then 30mm (tops 35mm) because it would hang over my motherboard.

Black ICE – GT Stealth 360 – lite
35 euro @ AquaTuning.de

MagiCool - SLIM TRIPLE 360 Radiator
37 euro @ AquaTuning

Alphacool – NexXxox Pro II Radiator Rev.2
45 euro @ AquaTuning.de

Black ICE – GT Stealth 360 – black
50 euro @ AquaTuning.de

Swiftech MCR320 360mm Radiator
57 euro @ AquaTuning.de


PUMP
Laing DDC-Pumpe 12V DDC-1T = Laing DDC 3.2 (MCP 355)??
ProductPage : Laing
51euro @ AquaTuning
[HowTo] Laing Pro zur Ultra umlöten
Silent, and i can use it with the XSPC Acrylic Reservoir DDC Top for better performance.


RES
XSPC Acrylic Reservoir DDC Top
ProductPage : XSPC
26 euro @ AquaTuning
Review : Laing DDC 3.2 (MCP 355) review by Martins’ Liquid Lab
Review : Test DATA & Charts
YouTube Movie
Good combination with the Laing DDC-Pumpe 12V DDC-1T = Laing DDC 3.2 (MCP 355)??. The only set-back could be the size.

TUBING
Schlauch Tygon R3400 11/8mm Schwarz
5,5 euro per meter @ AquaTuning
Review by Martinm210
UserReview by coolfris @ HWI
I like black

CONNECTION
What is ‘best’? (pus-over, screw-in etc.)

This is how it would look like approximately:
(sorry for my bad and quick Sketch-up skillz.)



Best Regards,

Card Nox

[taylormsj]

I dont think your going to fit your radiator AND fans up the top

[Tw1st3d]

I dont think your going to fit your radiator AND fans up the top

Corrent.

Only around 3 cm between mobo and top..

The P182 is a bugger to put internal WC in..

Here is some pic's of my old WC'ed P182..

With 3 x 120 , 2 of ziptie mounted.


With dual infront.

[Flip_Lx]

best one i saw was drop the lower HD cage, you can get 4 single 120s one on the back, 1 in the middle then 2 where the lower hd cage was, you might be able to drop a 5th over the top spot but depends on mobo setup.

you could also drop one in the center spot instead of the lower hd rack, but this requires a pretty hefty pump to circulate it through all the rads and blocks

[Pedalmonkey]

or if u put casters on the botom, and cut out a rad template on the bottom while getting rid of the HD cage you could have a 220, 120.2 in there plus maybe a 120.1 from the front if you have a short PSU and your rads are thin enough.

[NoobCake]

hey sorry to interfere in your thread but what program did you use to draw that?

[pvtdonuts]

hey sorry to interfere in your thread but what program did you use to draw that?

Sketch-up it looks like

@ twisted: is there enough space for a optical above the 120x2 rad?

[Card Nox]

@ taylormsj & Tw1st3d, it's 45mm from top to the start of the motherboard.
30mm RAD + 25mm fan = 55mm + some isolation.

Build with a 2*120 RAD internal on top
Build with a 3*120 RAD internal op top

@ Flip_Lx, no not an option, to mnay sacrifices and to high flow restriction.

@ Pedalmonkey, an 2*120mm on the bottom blowing outwards could indeed be an option. Although i would have to sacrifce the genius system of mounting the HD's in that box.

@ pvtdonuts, i think he has space if he would remove his fillport.

@ NoobCake, it's (like pvtdonuts said) Google Sketch-up.

But besides the question if everything will fit, any remarks? The biggest doubt i have with the RADs.

EDIT: Seen i have not responded to everyones reaction (I am such a nub)

[NoobCake]

mad!

im downloading it now

thanks

good luck with your build

[Tw1st3d]

Card Nox - My bad.. loong time since i played around with my P182 - probably gonna rebuild it agian - can't which case i like the most (P182 or V1000)

To nice builds you linked their - but as you can see bout will have trouble with high end boards that have mosfet heatsink.

pvtdonuts - I think there is space for a 5.25" drive up their just need to make a custom mount thingy..

#0 Go' luck with build.

[Card Nox]

@ NoobCake, goodluck, at first the program can be quiet frustating but afther some while you will get the hang of it.

Here are two sites that have some components you could maybe use:
http://scc.jezmckean.com/
Google Sketch-up Liberary

@ Tw1st3d, no problem might
And yes, high mosfets on the top of the board can give trouble, i currently have the GigaByte 965P-DS3, so that would not give me any troubles. For future updates i just have to take that into account with my decision.

Thanks for al the goodluck. Now i'm hoping that the E8400 comes in stock soon

[Intern]

Heres mine. I dont have everything inside the case, but ill see what I can do in the future.

[WoZZeR999]

I wanted everything internal, so I did manage to get a triple in the top of the case. The fans had to be put on the out side of the case (in push... boo), but only because on my MB there was a 3 or 4 MM clearance issue with the ram.
Look for the P182 case thread started by me.

I have since added a MCR120 to the front upper HD area with no modification necessary.

[Card Nox]

@ Intern, sjee that's one giant of a PSU Your RAM is located very low on your motherboard, you would have no problems fitting a a RAD + Fans at the top of your case.

@ WoZZeR999, yes i have seen your thread, although it might be effective I would rather have everything inside .

[WoZZeR999]

I really wanted everything inside, but that was really the closes I could do with my motherboard. I could have used just 2 fans on the rad, and had everything internal, but I didn't want to waste fan space.

Unless you can find a motherboard with lowered ram and nothing on the top of the motherboard, it won't fit. My EP12v runs directly under the 320. I spend a good day trying to figure out how to get everything internal, and the closest I could do is to have the fans connected directly above the case. You could create a stand-off around the top of the case to make it *look* internal-ish.

[LsdBoy]

I have a mcr320 rad in the top, a lain dcc 10w in the upper harddrive area, then a res in the back. That + 2xgpu blocks and cpu block. I'm planning to upgrade this to 2loops one with a lain dcc 10, mosfets, sb + nb and a BI pro, then my second loop with cpu + 2x gpu, lain dcc 18w, mcr320. I going for to get it all inside the chassi but i looks like i will have to place the BIpro rad in the back of the chassi if i don't modd my tagan 530w easycon.

[WoZZeR999]

Do you have your fans in the case as well on the top? What motherboard did you have? I *almost* got it to fit, but I couldn't get the fans in. I hope you have a good plan, or know you will do a decent amount of cutting, because I don't think 2x MCR320's will fit inside.

[Card Nox]

MCR320 are 34mm think if i'm not mistaking...BIP PRO and AlphaCool NexXxos are 30mm think...I think i can make an exact fit in the case, but off course the only way be to sure if to have the materials and start building.

Would the MCR320 give me a noticeble better temp then a MagiCool / BIP or NexXxos, because otherwise it's not worth taking that risk.

[WoZZeR999]

It depends on the fan. With quiet fans (lower CFM), the MCR is reasonably better, but at higher speeds(75-80+ CFM, LOUD!), the BIP is closer to the MCR.
I would not sacrifice the performance of the MCR just to make something fit.

Note: The BIP is 25mm thick (Much thinner than the 34 on the MCR).

[Card Nox]

Like I said in the topic start i'm planning on using my Scythe S-Flex F fans (1.600 rpm version) in combination with my Sunbeam Rheobus. A rpm of around 700 to 900 would be great because the fans are close to inaudioble for me then.

The most important thing for me is quitness.

Here it says the Black ICE Radiator GT Stealth 360 - black is 30mm thick.

[Tw1st3d]

Well the HW labs stealth - just sucks!

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.effizienzgurus.de %2Fmain%2Findex.php%3Fcontent%3Darticle%26action%3 Dview_spec_article%26article_id%3D222&langpair=de| en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[Erasmus354]

The BIP also has another advantage over the MCR in this situation. The barbs are slightly closer to the middle of the radiator. This gives a bit more clearance for motherboard parts (if you have your barbs where the mobo is).

[Pedalmonkey]

Thermochill FTW. anything else just sucks. :0

[Card Nox]

@ Tw1st3d, yes i have read that review, and yes it sucks assuming the chrome version performs the same as the normal one.

But at this review at Over-Clock UK the BIP GT performs pretty good, better then the AlphaCool NexXxox in every situation. It even comes pretty close to the former Cooltek and the current god of RADs : Thermochill.

@ Erasmus354, that would be usefull knowing the barbs are indeed above the motherboard which would allow for a wider bend from the RAD to the CPU.

@ Pedalmonkey, thanks for you complety useless reaction cause the fact that the RAD is to thick. Furthermore i hate flames.

[Pedalmonkey]

woah card, srry didnt mean to offend. i was just having some fun. but if you want my actual 2 cents of what thin rad to use, it would be a BIP GT. especialy if your willing to suffer through loudish fans. and GTX will outperform the PA series with higher flow fans and i think the GT is the same just thinner IIRC.