What do I need to get Pent D to 4Ghz...

[Puni Puni Poemy]

My Goal (Before I go and buy everything) is to Hit 4Ghz, 100% Stable for every day 24/7 useage. I want to get a Pentium D or Pentium Extreme Edition CPU... Will I need to water cool? or can this be done on good air? Or even do I need to invest in something like a vapo chill. I dont have any intrest in benching the system "just to bench it" My goal is just 4Ghz for 24/7 use.

Any Help on what I might need? PD 820? 30? 40? Or XE.... types of coolers? etc?

I have already decided on an ASUS Intel 955X Mobo...
thanks

[rivers]

My Goal (Before I go and buy everything) is to Hit 4Ghz, 100% Stable for every day 24/7 useage. I want to get a Pentium D or Pentium Extreme Edition CPU... Will I need to water cool? or can this be done on good air? Or even do I need to invest in something like a vapo chill. I dont have any intrest in benching the system "just to bench it" My goal is just 4Ghz for 24/7 use.

Any Help on what I might need? PD 820? 30? 40? Or XE.... types of coolers? etc?

I have already decided on an ASUS Intel 955X Mobo...
thanks

If I don't go wrong, medium range smithfield can do 4ghz on air. With HUGE wattage, but if is not a problem...

[Puni Puni Poemy]

If I don't go wrong, medium range smithfield can do 4ghz on air. With HUGE wattage, but if is not a problem...

As long as I am not throttling under load I am ok with wahtever i have to do.

What type of cooling do you recommend? (air cooling)

[Charles Wirth]

Vapochill is fine for 24/7 machine. Mine has been on for about a year now other than mobo and cpu swap outs.

I know the Zalman is one of the better coolers and you needs good case air flow.

[Shadowmage]

Oh, please not the Extremely Expensive edition. That money would be better spent on either a topend Dothan or a FX grade CPU.

Anyways, I think getting a good air cooler with lots of case airflow should do the job.

[Puni Puni Poemy]

Vapochill is fine for 24/7 machine. Mine has been on for about a year now other than mobo and cpu swap outs.

I know the Zalman is one of the better coolers and you needs good case air flow.

I would love to get a Vapo , but I dont have the money for that. Im really glad that Their is very little difference between the XE and the PentD.

I just really want to hit a rock solid 4Ghz on Air. I havent owned a Intel Machine in quite some time, Back in the Pentium 3 slot 1 days... but am intrested in going back. Is a 1GHz OC really easy now and days?

I guess I was looking at a Pentium D 3.0Ghz. If I can OC to 266FSB x 15 Multi - That puts me right at 4Ghz. But am Unsure if Air cooling is good enough. I heard these things literly cook they are so hot.

[Lithan]

To get a P4D to 4ghz on air would not be easy at all from all the reports I'm seeing. And if you get a lucky chip that can, it wouldn't be on quiet air. Wait for another revision. These Chips suck donkey parts.

[mr_knowitall15]

Oh, please not the Extremely Expensive edition. That money would be better spent on either a topend Dothan or a FX grade CPU.

Anyways, I think getting a good air cooler with lots of case airflow should do the job.

whats an AMD fanboy like yourself doing here in the intel section, besides voicing your opinion. in MY opinion, up until now thats all the EE's were, but since this ones cores have hyperthreading, it actually has something over the non EE CPUs. IMO, saying the money would be better spent on a dothan or FX is stupid, because while they both are great chips, the FX costs 1100 bucks, and is only single core and will probably be fairly obsolete in a year. whereas a 1000 buck investment on the EE now will serve well for at least a few years.
Also, ive seen a fair amount of people getting 4Ghz, or close to it on stock cooling with stock volts. Id say a good, big copper heatsink, like Zalmans 7700CU, should be a good bet. if you want even more speed, you could go with a water cooling set up if you wish. that will allow you more OC headroom since youll be able to up the Volts a little bit without causing crazy high temsps. Plus, a good watercooling system would probably be quieter than a good, effective aircooling setup.

[ibby]

ull need good cooling,
probably a loud and fast delta fan ....
and a solid base copper cooler.

even then, i think 4 gig will be hard to achive.

maybe water cooling is the better choice, atleast ull
still have ur ears

[Lithan]

Also, ive seen a fair amount of people getting 4Ghz, or close to it on stock cooling with stock volts.

Where have you seen a p4D @ 4ghz on stock cooling with stock volts?
And you're dreaming if you think that Multicore/HT will be required tech in a year. Honestly, that's just insane. It will never be required tech. Right now it's very rare that it's even useful tech for a home user. And it will be more than a year before that changes.

[IvanAndreevich]

Pentium 4 D @ 4 GHz on stock cooling & volts? That's what Intel fanboys dream about at night AFAIK

[Puni Puni Poemy]

Well I didnt want to start a war. I just was wondering what I would need to do it on Air. I dont care how hot it gets, as long as it dosent throttle on me. I guess I just will have to go AMD again this round.

[dippyskoodlez]

Well I didnt want to start a war. I just was wondering what I would need to do it on Air. I dont care how hot it gets, as long as it dosent throttle on me. I guess I just will have to go AMD again this round.

Don't get mad.. get glad

nuffin wrong with amd systems-- and right now you can get SLI with the money you'll be saving over buying a highend P4

[Nazu]

4GHz on air? Dream on You need very good watercooling or phase change to run 4GHz

[Puni Puni Poemy]

Don't get mad.. get glad

nuffin wrong with amd systems-- and right now you can get SLI with the money you'll be saving over buying a highend P4

Well i have been using AMD Systems since the Thunderbird 1Ghz. Since then I have owned, AXP1800+, and Athlon XP 2500+ OCed.... and Now its plenty time to update. I wanted to go back with intel again. Just because I loved my P3's... And I helped my buddy build a P4 2.4C and it OCed to 3.2 Easy on Air. But that was the good old Northwood Core. And i like it, it was very fast.

So oh well.

[dippyskoodlez]

Well i have been using AMD Systems since the Thunderbird 1Ghz. Since then I have owned, AXP1800+, and Athlon XP 2500+ OCed.... and Now its plenty time to update. I wanted to go back with intel again. Just because I loved my P3's... And I helped my buddy build a P4 2.4C and it OCed to 3.2 Easy on Air. But that was the good old Northwood Core. And i like it, it was very fast.

So oh well.

Ive got a p3 sitting right here, and use many AMD systems... P4's have never seemed like a step up to me. I use P4's at school, and helped a friend build his P4 system, P4's give you some massive numbers, but in real performance, they don't keep up.

Only p4's worth overclocking at this point IMO are northwoods, and those are now scarce, and 4ghz on those are rare.

Check out some of the venice overclocks... they are doing 2700->2800mhz very commonly, even the 3000+'s

[Puni Puni Poemy]

Well I wont get a Single Core CPU anymore. Since they are dated now that Multiple threads will lead the way. I am dropping the money for this system, I will have to have it for a good solid 2 years or so. Plus I like the Smoothness of "SMP"/"SMT" etc...

So Looks like Athlon X2 4800+ it is But I really want an intel Machine still. Oh well.

[mr_knowitall15]

heres one, not stock volts, but air cooling i believe... http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=67891
HERES the one ive seen... 4.1 on stock air/volts, 4.6 on vapo, and 5.3-5.4 on cascade.... http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=558 im not really claiming to be an intel fanboy either... im really REALLY seriously thinking about going AMD for dual core on my next build.. the only thing that might keep me Intel is the cheap price on their Pentium Ds, plus the overclocking capabilities they seem to have.

[zabomb4163]

what many are also forgetting is that the pentium D requires an expensive motherboard. 200+$ from what ive seen. (i'm posting this on an intel machine. the pentium D just has a lot of problems)

[Lithan]

Mrknowitall. That's a Screenshot. Knowing P4's it'd be LUCKY if that's stable @ 3.8ghz. More likely it's only stable at 3.7ish. P4's have a huge differential between SS speed and stable speed.

I do find it funny though how P4 users will.


Hell zabomb. Even if it could use any P4 mobo you wanted, it'd still not be worth it. The performance just isn't there. And it's far and away the worst power/watt processor available. It's the Antidothan.

[deltarealm]

As far as intel goes. Would it be better to run a single core for gaming?
Is there any known games that are going to be released in the very near future for dual core, by at least the end of this year.

[mr_knowitall15]

youd prolly be best with an amd if gamings your main concern....

[EvlUndrWareNome]

Ok

First rule of computing, never count on getting a "lucky" chip and build your system around it. Your best bet would be to go with some decent watercooling to be sure of good and stable cooling, and can be had for much less than a vapochill if you do some of the work yourself.

Also you wont get a Pentium D to 4ghz on stock cooling. Keep dreaming.

The Pentium D 830 which runs at 3.0ghz per core sounds like a good choice. These chips have been getting spectacular overclocks depending on cooling. I know in the Xtreme Overclocking section, there is one running @ ~5ghz under DI.

Also next year Intel's desktop Dothans hit. Id love to see a 4800+ beat a Dual Core 3ghz Dothan with 2mb's of cache each taking advantage of dual channel ddr2 and in 2007 they gain a memory controller. Intel really set out its plans, AMD got too confortable with their K8 architecture, and now they will have to up Intel somehow.

[mr_knowitall15]

Mrknowitall. That's a Screenshot. Knowing P4's it'd be LUCKY if that's stable @ 3.8ghz. More likely it's only stable at 3.7ish. P4's have a huge differential between SS speed and stable speed.

I do find it funny though how P4 users will.
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So? the point is, its at 4.1 on stock volts, meaning, that it MAY be stable at 4 with the same volts, or if not, maybe one step up in voltage. with a good heatsink the lil extra voltage shouldnt cause enough heat to be concerned about. I have a friend who is runnign a single core 3.2 at 3.8 on stock voltage. it will boot all the way up to about 4.15 on stock volts. and hes even using a crappy thermaltake PSU with 18 amps on the 12V rail. In my experiences, 4 ghz with an intel chip should be easily doable with good aircooling.
The way i see it, its all up to personal preferance Puni. All things considered, Amd is prolly winning performance wise in most applications (at least at the high end, havent seen much as far as the other AMD dual core chips go yet...), but intels are fun to OC IMO because of the large gains that can be possible, plus their prices are much more attractive than AMDs right now. With AMds CHEAPEST dual core running at $532, the next step up is $729, then $824, then $1065 for OEM version of the top chip, ($1099 for retail boxed version). where Intels chips are $248 at the low end, $331 for the middle speed chip, and $551 for the top chip speedwise, escept the EE, which is $1015. So considering that you can buy Intels 2nd to top chip, for about the same price as AMDs entry level dual core, you can see the difference in price. However, like i mentioned, if the lower price and overclockability of Intel is enough to outweigh AMDS performance crown is up to the buyer.

[zabomb4163]

I have a friend who is runnign a single core 3.2 at 3.8 on stock voltage. it will boot all the way up to about 4.15 on stock volts. and hes even using a crappy thermaltake PSU with 18 amps on the 12V rail. In my experiences, 4 ghz with an intel chip should be easily doable with good aircooling.

keep in mind that its a prescott that we're talking about which already push air cooling on single core. prescott + dual core generates upwards of 210 watts of heat, thats 3x what my p4 is rated for. now overclock it. this is the reason few motherboards will support the chip. the mofsets get mightly toasty.